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hello,
Due to the lack of sports recently i have been betting on races in France and England these circle trotting racers,
I have a question regarding Graignes races for example in every race 3-4-5 drivers/horses get disqualified.
so why as punters don't we get refunded? if the driver does an error or breaks the rules?
I can fully understand if the horses fall we don't always get refunded.
Can someone explain it to me please.
Due to the lack of sports recently i have been betting on races in France and England these circle trotting racers,
I have a question regarding Graignes races for example in every race 3-4-5 drivers/horses get disqualified.
so why as punters don't we get refunded? if the driver does an error or breaks the rules?
I can fully understand if the horses fall we don't always get refunded.
Can someone explain it to me please.
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Meltdown - leave it alone mate...before your inevitable meltdown,
losing hard currency in backing absolute shíte
losing hard currency in backing absolute shíte
They are allowed to gallop twice but have to be pulled up until they are trotting again if not they are disqualified also they are not allowed any galloping in the last 100m or its automatic disqual....
There was a decent Betfair guide about Swedish Trotting a few weeks ago.......
If Andrew see's this he may point you in the right direction if your interested.
If Andrew see's this he may point you in the right direction if your interested.
I posted this several weeks back on a Swedish racing thread .............
I'm not a big follower of the trotting game these days although i used to play years ago and have seen a few 'Eliteloppets' (championship festivals once a year on last Friday-Sunday in May at Solvalla) albeit many years ago. This festival has runners from many countries in Europe.
Note that trotting and pacing (common in Australia) are not the same.
There are no seasons for trotting in Sweden, it's an every day sport.
You will have noticed there are two types of starts, volt and auto, the latter behind a car with gates as wings as opposed to volt that resembles a NH start in some respects. There are also handicaps where some of the field start 20 or 40 metres off the front pack.
The draw is very important, inside having an obvious advantage, although only if the horse gets away (aka Chester). Like all horse racing, there are those that can win from way back off the pace, so don't be too put off by a draw in 12-15, but it takes a decent horse/ride to do it.
Here is text from Wikipedia (italics)
The start of the races and the starting position (which equals a certain number as explained previously) are indeed important, independent of the start method. A very good horse in a race with weak opponents but with a bad start number (like 12 or higher) may not become the prime favorite due to the bad starting position, especially at short distance.
After the start the drivers fight to get a good running position. How well this succeeds depends on the horse, the starting position and how the opponents drive their horses. Due to the sulky width and the oval race track overtaking is a far more difficult manoeuvre to achieve, in comparison with gallop racing. The "running position fight" during start and the beginning of the race usually ends in the first turn.
After the initial fight for good running position, the horses usually form two rows or tracks. Good running positions are the leading position of the inner track or the second (or third) place in the outer track. This is explained with the fact that the outer track is close to 15 meter longer per lap, front running is always heavier compared with just follow behind (just like in cycling).
Positions in the inner track behind the leader may appear the best. But as described before, overtaking is not an easy manoeuvre. And horses in the inner track may very well be trapped all the way to the finish, due to the horses and sulkies in the outer track. On the other hand, if an opening in the outer track appears close to the finish line, such a horse have had "an easy ride" with much strength left to give.
The leading position of the outer track, also known as the position of "death", is a very hard position to run and only very strong horses can win from this position. If a horse completes the race from the "death" position, commentators often point that out when announcing the KM pace of the horse.
On short distance (1640 meter), the horse that gets the leading position of the inner track has a very good chance to be the winner. At longer races (with rather even competitors) running positions like second or third in the outer track have good chances, especially if the inner track horses get trapped behind a weakening front horse.
The important thing for the jockey is to get the horse into a trotting rhythm, you will have seen many 'gallop' for varying reasons, even on the run-in. A horse isn't immediately disqualified if it breaks into a gallop, it has to be pulled back and returned to trotting and some have won after galloping.
There are several reasons that can render a DQ.
From a betting perspective, most would be guessing unless you follow the sport/runners in Sweden, but don't be afraid to lay shorties, enough get beat. I also think that fancied runners on the inside are often over-bet.
I would rather be a layer than a backer, although horses like Mack Lobell and Queen L were money spinners back in time.
If you want to follow jockeys, look out for Erik Adielsson and Örjan Kihlström who would be akin to Jamie Spencer and late finishes, but much better at it.
If you want a couple of horses to follow, try Attraversiamo and Shocking Superman who may pay their way over the forthcoming months and could even be running at Åby this Saturday. Also look out for Propulsion who could be running at the same meeting.
I'm not a big follower of the trotting game these days although i used to play years ago and have seen a few 'Eliteloppets' (championship festivals once a year on last Friday-Sunday in May at Solvalla) albeit many years ago. This festival has runners from many countries in Europe.
Note that trotting and pacing (common in Australia) are not the same.
There are no seasons for trotting in Sweden, it's an every day sport.
You will have noticed there are two types of starts, volt and auto, the latter behind a car with gates as wings as opposed to volt that resembles a NH start in some respects. There are also handicaps where some of the field start 20 or 40 metres off the front pack.
The draw is very important, inside having an obvious advantage, although only if the horse gets away (aka Chester). Like all horse racing, there are those that can win from way back off the pace, so don't be too put off by a draw in 12-15, but it takes a decent horse/ride to do it.
Here is text from Wikipedia (italics)
The start of the races and the starting position (which equals a certain number as explained previously) are indeed important, independent of the start method. A very good horse in a race with weak opponents but with a bad start number (like 12 or higher) may not become the prime favorite due to the bad starting position, especially at short distance.
After the start the drivers fight to get a good running position. How well this succeeds depends on the horse, the starting position and how the opponents drive their horses. Due to the sulky width and the oval race track overtaking is a far more difficult manoeuvre to achieve, in comparison with gallop racing. The "running position fight" during start and the beginning of the race usually ends in the first turn.
After the initial fight for good running position, the horses usually form two rows or tracks. Good running positions are the leading position of the inner track or the second (or third) place in the outer track. This is explained with the fact that the outer track is close to 15 meter longer per lap, front running is always heavier compared with just follow behind (just like in cycling).
Positions in the inner track behind the leader may appear the best. But as described before, overtaking is not an easy manoeuvre. And horses in the inner track may very well be trapped all the way to the finish, due to the horses and sulkies in the outer track. On the other hand, if an opening in the outer track appears close to the finish line, such a horse have had "an easy ride" with much strength left to give.
The leading position of the outer track, also known as the position of "death", is a very hard position to run and only very strong horses can win from this position. If a horse completes the race from the "death" position, commentators often point that out when announcing the KM pace of the horse.
On short distance (1640 meter), the horse that gets the leading position of the inner track has a very good chance to be the winner. At longer races (with rather even competitors) running positions like second or third in the outer track have good chances, especially if the inner track horses get trapped behind a weakening front horse.
The important thing for the jockey is to get the horse into a trotting rhythm, you will have seen many 'gallop' for varying reasons, even on the run-in. A horse isn't immediately disqualified if it breaks into a gallop, it has to be pulled back and returned to trotting and some have won after galloping.
There are several reasons that can render a DQ.
From a betting perspective, most would be guessing unless you follow the sport/runners in Sweden, but don't be afraid to lay shorties, enough get beat. I also think that fancied runners on the inside are often over-bet.
I would rather be a layer than a backer, although horses like Mack Lobell and Queen L were money spinners back in time.
If you want to follow jockeys, look out for Erik Adielsson and Örjan Kihlström who would be akin to Jamie Spencer and late finishes, but much better at it.
If you want a couple of horses to follow, try Attraversiamo and Shocking Superman who may pay their way over the forthcoming months and could even be running at Åby this Saturday. Also look out for Propulsion who could be running at the same meeting.
bit like an F1 Race at times......
the woman that does the Swedish trot comms sometimes, she had me visualising her a some small gnome like character with blue hair sat munching on a turnip
All part and parcel of the game. A horse was heavily gambled at Reims having been disq. in last 4 races. Hosed in. Follow the money.
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