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23 Apr 20 06:56
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will they reduce attendance capacity, or no racegoers will be allowed in .? will it be racing under closed doors for the year etc?

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By:
Latalomne
When: 23 Apr 20 07:27
The Beeb article says it expects pub/restaurant trade to be somewhere near the bottom of the list of the events to return.  I would say that means you have a very, very slim chance of being able to go racing any time soon.
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 08:45
These scientists would have us all in the house forever.what a bundle of fun they are !
By:
sparrow
When: 23 Apr 20 08:48
On balance I would prefer to stay alive but if that inconveniences some people then so be it.
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 08:52
live dangerously, queue for bread
By:
Trident
When: 23 Apr 20 09:02
We will all as a species have to live with this virus in our lives for years to come. There will be no general public at sporting events for at least a year.
By:
1st time poster
When: 23 Apr 20 09:04
besides a small minority in a  minority sport behind closed doors racing is probably the closest you,ll get to a sport carrying on as normal as compared to football,golf could also come close to replicating a normal event, and they could always borrow the crowd effects that chepstow use,think football would be greatly effected ,especially as commentators will be mentioning it all the time ,pundit,s using it as an excuse for poor games,performances etc
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 09:09
Good morning sparrow

I think we all want to stay alive I certainly do ,and whilst it’s obviously a serious matte  just occasionally could they not give us a little bit of hope.?
By:
layingisthewayforward
When: 23 Apr 20 09:14
Trident, I think that is nonsense, we'll be back to normal by the end of the summer imo.
By:
Trident
When: 23 Apr 20 09:19
Foxy here is some hope for you as the sport goes. Racing can continue without a crowd. Think of Kempton on a cold bitter Wednesday night. Not much would change there, AW tracks could be great when we get up and running!

That is what is different for Racing rather than football. What do you think?

I may get alot of criticism for some of my posts on here, but im looking from a different perspective on things. One of my reasonings is its still a very New virus we dont know much about.
These are my views and ive never been good at articulating in words, sometimes I feel my posts are put out of context by some.
By:
sparrow
When: 23 Apr 20 09:30
Good morning foxy. With regards to giving us a little hope I think they are very wary of making any prediction about a virus they know too little about.
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 09:32
Good morning trident

Beggars can’t be choosers and at the moment any racing will do ,I am not a huge fan of aw racing I use to be when it was just the 3 tracks,but I would grap the chance to watch some as soon as possible ,as you say behind closed doors will not make much difference at Kempton,obviously my wish would be back to normal with crowds but that’s not going to happen anytime soon that said things are moving and you just never know .

The few days we had in the uk and Ireland behind closed doors were fine the coverage was good and at least you could have a bet,as I said at the start of my reply beggars can’t be choosers and at this moment in time I would love to see any live sport.


Well let’s not be hasty any sport other than American football and motor racing
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 09:36
I realise they can’t win if they said on the 5 o’clock show don’t worry you will all be out and about by Christmas the public would forgive them if they were wrong ,but the pathetic press wouldn’t.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 23 Apr 20 09:37
I won't be unhappy if I never have to go to Tottenham again. Filth.
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 09:40
being gooner you'd be well used to social distancing as there's hardly anyone in the ground most matches
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 23 Apr 20 09:41
Laugh
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 09:42
how's things?
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 23 Apr 20 09:45
All OK thanks, how's everything with you and your family?

Not much has changed but it would be handy if the breeze-up sales get the go ahead.
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 09:46
Good morning jm
Is there a plan with the breeze ups ?
By:
the dealer
When: 23 Apr 20 09:47
I have my doubts racing will ever be the same, whenever it gets back. I cant see them having the money to carry on with the fixture list the way it was and how will all these race courses survive with no income coming in.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 23 Apr 20 09:52
Morning Foxy, hope you're all keeping well also.

There is some kind of plan but whereas a couple of sales should have already taken place they naturally keep getting shunted back. Looking likely to be June now.
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 09:54
same here ty jm

i thought if there was any chance of breeze up or sales then the irish were most likely to be first, i think the french usually have a deauville breeze up in may (?) but i can't see them relaxing measures anytime soon to allow it to happen

you'd have to expect prices to be under pressure, plenty of owners will be looking to offload at HIT's and with the uncertainty i'd be interested to see what the unraced ones make and what % go unsold in the early days
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 09:58
I occasionally go to the ones craven week ,what a mess we are in.
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 10:01
i'd like shares in whichever company has the vaccine breakthrough
By:
fairweather
When: 23 Apr 20 10:03
i think its inevitable that a few of the smaller courses will disappear, sadly. There was a meeting of the 1922 committee yesterday, most Conservative MPs want the lockdown lifted soon. some said it needs to be relaxed after first week in may, otherwise thousands of businesses will go under.
Social distancing where possible, good hygiene, wear masks on public transport. lots of things we can do to cut down risk of spreading it, but we cant just hide away for months on end.
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 10:07
Sparrow

I’ve just listened to the 10 am news on the wireless ,today scientists at oxford today will start testing a vaccine on humans ,but cmo Chris witty has warned that it will be at least a year before one will be available.

Could he not just for once say that’s great news fingers crossed hopefully we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 10:09
I fear you may be right fairweather, it would be nice if they could somehow be supported for a few months whilst the bha focus the fixture list on whatever tracks they are forced to use but if it carried on for too long I could see plenty of lost tracks

foxy, i think another uni (cambridge?) and another scientific research lot were also both starting trials or about too, but the tests as you say will take months
By:
kevin7654
When: 23 Apr 20 10:50
Will help if other european countries relax social distancing policies and have acceptable levels of infections.Pressure will grow over time to copy our neighbours and obviously the economic problems caused by the virus wont be going away.Its not an easy call but i think racing with crowds by October is possible.
By:
San Quentin
When: 23 Apr 20 10:56
Good points fairweather although iam a little more positive, I don't any Racecourse will close due to lockdown, certainly short term. Quite easy to limit crowds, personally have thought for a long time now crowds for example Aintree GN day, Cheltenham, Kempton (KG) need culling, reduced largely for all to enjoy.
By:
truehoncho
When: 23 Apr 20 10:59
So does that mean pubs, restaurants, cinema's etc don't open for a year? People and governments will soon get realistic. That to some may seem callus but where are all the people that work in these industries going to make a living? Even if the virus is as bad as some people make out there is no way we can shut our economy down to that extent for a year.
By:
hello :-)
When: 23 Apr 20 11:02
was listening to business owners last nite in hospitality

many rekon they will lose less money staying shut rather than opening with social distance , adding many will still not go out and about through fear of virus and likelihood of no one travelling from abroad
By:
truehoncho
When: 23 Apr 20 11:09
Thats ok for a couple of month but not a year. What about all their staff, is the government going to pay the 80% for a year? What about all their suppliers? The local people that supply them with food and vegetables etc? Government going to pay them for a year? Madness to think we can print money for a year. Wait until all those nurses husbands have been laid off and they try and survive on a hero nurses salary. If the economy isn't up and running at a decent rate by September there is a world of hurt down the road. If it stays down for a year there is no road.
By:
foxy
When: 23 Apr 20 11:12
Kevin I would snatch your hands of with October hope your right.
By:
hello :-)
When: 23 Apr 20 11:16
i imagine they will get another couple months honcho then hand be forced one way or the other , trickle along or keep closed

im sure they are all asking what you just asked honcho and none know yet , uncertain time for whole country
By:
hello :-)
When: 23 Apr 20 11:17
Just seesm so many questions with virus

don't even know for sure how long immunity lasts yet if you had it
By:
elise
When: 23 Apr 20 11:18
if you listen to the stuff coming out of Italy and their possible relaxation measures then yes, highly likely social meeting places might suffer for months to come in some countries
By:
San Quentin
When: 23 Apr 20 11:19
true honcho are you aware what a reasonable grade nurse wage is? Certainly not breadline poverty, any couple family can live comfortable on that wage alone.
By:
truehoncho
When: 23 Apr 20 11:24
Obviously they are not going to just open their doors fully in September. My guess is limited badges for owners, annual badge holders and restrictions on general public. Cut restaurant capacity down and no standing in the bars etc.
If the immunity doesn't last then producing a vaccine will be almost impossible (in fact I heard someone on the radio say that they think in S Korea a lot of people have been reinfected and if it was the same strain and not a mutated strain then it is unlikely a vaccine will be effective). In this case the only defense is your immune system and with the western worlds unhealthy population I think we may be in a bit of trouble. Personally I think they just test for coronovirus and not Covid 19 and there are a lot of strains of that.
By:
truehoncho
When: 23 Apr 20 11:29
You are way off there San Quentin. Most nurses are band 6 or below and only specialist nurses get above band 7. Band 6 will be about 30k. You think they will be paying their mortgages, putting food on the table  and running their cars on that in the home counties on that. I doubt it.
By:
Gordon63
When: 23 Apr 20 11:29
We will all as a species have to live with this virus in our lives for years to come. There will be no general public at sporting events for at least a year.

Civil disobedience the likes of which will put the poll tax riots in the shade are far more likely than the above scenario - merkel today is calling covid-19 a threat to democracy and she's 100% right..at some point, the general population as they see a combination of personal and societal ruin resulting from lockdown will say screw this and move forwards in a different direction to Prof Whitty is advocating.

The evidence is clear on a number of points

a) 75% of the deaths in UK are for people over 75 years old - and few of those would have been in active employment -and even this % is probably under-reported due to the criminal negligence in not including care homes etc from Day 1
b) UK (and devolved governments) have truly fkd up the protection of those in a) above and those who care for them - despite evidence of a) several months ago now
c) there is a 'spike' in unexplained deaths across almost every nation/region of the UK since lockdown - whatever the experts are saying about years to evaluate and understand the reasons why, this is no coincidence
d) linked to c) above many non-virology experts are forecasting an 'excess' of deaths due to non-covid 19 way over the number 'solely' related to covid-19
e) if austerity kills - and whilst 100% not a labour supporter, their reports on this about 6-12 months ago, were pretty persuasive and the covid-19 impact on the UK and global economy will make those banker bastards appear like little red riding hood!! already we are reading about 10s of millions of people who will likely die from hunger etc as the funds keeping them alive at present dry up almost overnight
f) the mental health impact is unquantifiable and whilst I'm of a generation that believes the most over-utilised word in the english language over past 5-10 years is 'vulnerable' there is clear early warnings that the exclusion of personal interaction whether at work place, bars, clubs, gyms etc etc is having a negative effect on the sense of well being and god only know how this will manifest but if you take the example of service personnel (who are selected and trained for that environment) who still find the best option post-service as taking their own lives, then be prepared for a large spike in suicides in coming months/years

the overall health of the nation has to be taken into account and if that means we lose loved ones from covid-19 but save a higher number (see above) then that is surely what our 'leaders' should be following
f)
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