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Willie Shafter.
10 Apr 20 13:21
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A precise and accurate elucidation. Respect.
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Report foxy April 10, 2020 1:25 PM BST
Don’t know what she said this time willie but she got respect from me the other day with her genuine wishes to boris .
Report ItsMeSwaddle April 10, 2020 1:27 PM BST
Anything about a 2nd ref?
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 1:29 PM BST
she said foxy..words to the effect of..

there is no end in sight to this lockdown,if we ease it this virus will ravage the country and the nhs will without doubt become overwhelmed.

sense at last.
Report Pilsudski April 10, 2020 1:30 PM BST
What did she say that was so impressive ?
Report Pilsudski April 10, 2020 1:31 PM BST
OK.
Report Tiger Tiger April 10, 2020 1:31 PM BST
ffs, thought she had resigned.
Report Trident April 10, 2020 1:32 PM BST
Could someone post the full interview of what She said please. Thank You
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 1:35 PM BST
where will the transcript be?
Report Tiger Tiger April 10, 2020 1:39 PM BST
Sturgeon urges people to stay at home over Easter
After paying tribute to emergency workers who are dealing with the crisis, the first minister again urges people to stay at home over the Easter weekend.

She acknowledges that this will be difficult for everyone as Easter is normally a time to see friends and to get out and about, but she warns: "None of that will be possible".

“We cannot allow ourselves to become complacent against this virus and end these measures prematurely," Ms Sturgeon adds. "If we do that, we risk undoing all of the work we have put in so far and we would risk seeing the virus spread out of control, potentially very quickly.”
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 1:40 PM BST
she 100% said the nhs will become overwhelmed..where are those words?
Report ItsMeSwaddle April 10, 2020 1:43 PM BST
"None of that will be possible".

"Unless you have any involvement in the equine industry, you must carry on as usual, we are pressing strongly for a resumption, standby."
Report isleham April 10, 2020 1:46 PM BST
pity she didnt urge her original chief medical officer
to stay at home or have the b*lls to sack her when she didnt
plus didnt blow the whistle on alex ever
Report foxy April 10, 2020 1:47 PM BST
Thanks willie
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 1:49 PM BST
Willy is fishing with Sturgeon methinks Wink
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 1:51 PM BST
Nicola tbf says it as it is
Report sparrow April 10, 2020 1:52 PM BST
Scotland's coronavirus lockdown is likely to continue "for some weeks to come", Nicola Sturgeon has said.

The first minister said there was "no prospect" of the measures being lifted in the coming days.

She said it was important not to lift restrictions "prematurely", in a way which could see the virus spread "out of control" and overwhelm the NHS.

A further 81 people in Scotland have died after contracting Covid-19, bringing the latest total to 447.

Ms Sturgeon said 4,957 people had now tested positive for the virus, up from 4,565 on Wednesday, but stressed these figures would be an under-estimate.

She also said there are 1,781 patients in Scotland's hospitals with Covid-19, 212 of whom are in intensive care.
Report mmmalushka April 10, 2020 1:55 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000gzys/politics-scotland-politics-scotland

Todays not updated yet but all the previous ones are there.

Ultra impressive again today we are very fortunate to have her.
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 1:56 PM BST
She is irrelevant
Report mmmalushka April 10, 2020 1:56 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000gzys/politics-scotland-politics-scotland

Todays not updated yet but all the previous ones are there.

Ultra impressive again today we are very fortunate to have her.
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 1:57 PM BST
to you maybe fire

i myself like her attitude to saving lives
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 1:59 PM BST
She has no clue how to save lives and nether do you
Report GLASGOWCALLING April 10, 2020 2:02 PM BST
I thought her speech was Fan Daby Dozy. Happy
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:03 PM BST
tbf i do fire

i isolate as much as humanly possible
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:05 PM BST
ty sparrow for the clarification..respect.

and she is 100% correct..
Report the dealer April 10, 2020 2:06 PM BST
Isleham she doesn't speak for the majority regarding independence. We had the vote she lost. The MAJORITY didn't want it
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:06 PM BST
imo this situation is way way worse than whats being shown.
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 2:06 PM BST
How do you know that saves lives Hello?
BBC1 everyday @ 5pm?
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:08 PM BST
fire and ice..another braindeed tatey. wac.
Report casemoney April 10, 2020 2:08 PM BST
Starmer has fooked her and the rest of the independence mob , off out of it , Isleham spot on regarding the Medical officer Debacle , she should
Have been sacked , must be a friend of wee Jimmies,How much is she on a year to make these statements ???

Her and  barrel head Backford a rancid pair of progressives ,thankfully encamped north of the border most of the time ..
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:10 PM BST
i don't think anyone has a handle on how bad its near impossible to be accurate tbh

worrying thing is early data from around world is suggesting a fairly low %age of populations have actually had this

really need testing available en mass
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 2:11 PM BST
Willie Shafter.

fire and ice..another braindeed tatey. wac.

Willy on one thread you call experts disingenuous but you think Sturgeon is 100% correct?
You are all over the place on these issues.
You repeat what you see on the 'telly'
An idiot, aftertimer.
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:14 PM BST
no fire its fairly obvious mate

this virus has a rapid transmission , as you prob noticed as its rapidly spread world wide ?

avoiding contact breaks the chain im told , if you don't believe me look into it mate but im sticking with whitty for now , seems to know more than most
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:15 PM BST
Willy on one thread you call experts disingenuous but you think Sturgeon is 100% correct?

on that particular instance the yank expert was indeed being disingenuous..i agree with sturgeon what she said earlier.

do you want a mayfly next or a daddy long legs?
Report GLASGOWCALLING April 10, 2020 2:16 PM BST
Meanwhile in Belarus. ....

https://www.codastory.com/waronscience/coronavirus-belarus-europe-lockdown/

   ShockedCrazy
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:17 PM BST
Fire-and-Ice 10 Apr 20 13:06 
How do you know that saves lives Hello?
BBC1 everyday @ 5pm?

you saying 200 in a works canteen as opposed to staying at home doesnt decrease you chance of contracting it?
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 2:21 PM BST
Thanks for your theory Hello. I'm well acquainted with the official narrative.
It's been drummed into you/population from early on.
What is it that Sturgeon said that merited a thread?
Stay in and...............

Cue daily mirror monday, pics of Sturgeon munching on non-essential easter eggs in a delightful Glasgee Park
Cool
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:24 PM BST
i think it was more the brutal honesty of saying whats ahead of us

and the strong desire to stop transmission that merited a mention , will be a comfort to many to know that is the way forward
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 2:26 PM BST
correct hello.
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 10, 2020 2:39 PM BST
What has she said that every other coward hasn't already said?
Report Wesdag April 10, 2020 2:39 PM BST
Considering we're about 3 weeks behind Italy who are still under lockdown, it's not exactly news worthy of Einstein.
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 2:40 PM BST
With regards emerging from lockdown (we want this I assume)

What type of cases/death figures would fill the criteria for you to feel safe enough to go back to work etc?

And who would you trust enough to give the all-clear?
Report casemoney April 10, 2020 2:40 PM BST
Nightingale Hospital in Sunderland Steve , 500 beds , Obviously expecting the worse Sad
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 2:42 PM BST
You mean they are planning ahead? Willy won't like that. See may 1st thread.
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:53 PM BST
i cant tell you that fire , whitty and co don't know so how would i

i do know they may realise initial action was a little slow and preparation was not what we were told 70 odd days ago so scrutiny suggests severe damage limitation

added to fact there is a theory that only a very small %age of population have come in contact with virus in most populations



i would say we are in some kind of lockdown till either vaccine or mass community testing becomes available
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 2:54 PM BST
but don't worry , BHA still make racing on 1st may a possibility
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 3:04 PM BST
You sound like one of those japanese ww2 fighters who were found in the 70s still fighting the war!
You'll never leave the house!
If Boris said its 100% safe, you can come out, then would you?
Chris Witty?
Nicola?
Report ItsMeSwaddle April 10, 2020 3:06 PM BST
WILLIE

Can I ask you a none related question?

Has it ever been proven whether or not BF run their own bots purely for the purpose of making cash in play?
Report hello :-) April 10, 2020 3:10 PM BST
i was at shop earlier partly due to a neighbour needing something tbh

and im now of out for a bit of biking , maybe 14 miles in relative isolation


tbh tho yep , i tend to listen to opinion of experts while making my own mind up also
Report fronter April 10, 2020 3:24 PM BST
Said no different to anybody else in authority - basically continue to social distance and stay at home and likely to go on longer - Tell me something new?
Report GEORGE.B April 10, 2020 3:32 PM BST
Willie Shafter. 10 Apr 20 13:06
imo this situation is way way worse than whats being shown.


Willie, you're not alone with that thought

Gerard Batten
@GerardBattenUK
21h

It is absolutely inhuman that people are dying in hospital without their loved ones being able to be with them.

This is either a massive over reaction or the Govnt knows more about this Chinese Communist Party engineered biological weapon than they are telling us.

Which is it?
Report mrcombustible April 10, 2020 4:02 PM BST
Jenrick has not been sacked nor resigned as yet. 

Comparison to Sturgeon
Report Fashion Fever April 10, 2020 4:20 PM BST
people seem to forget theres 800 plus dieing every day
Report thegiggilo April 10, 2020 4:27 PM BST
Willie Shafter. 10 Apr 20 13:06 
imo this situation is way way worse than whats being shown

Get the 20-30 year olds back to work leaked phonecall from home office conference on tuesday,the big plan is they have totally fcuked up its out of control get the economy going and sacrifice 200,000 in next 12 months,suppose they hope everyone will go along with it or not notice.Looks wide open to a lot of court cases if you ask me,hopefully people will take them to the cleaners if this is the plan..
Report isleham April 10, 2020 4:32 PM BST
hello
you mentioned earlier you would stick with whitty..he seems to know more than most
actually he managed to catch the virus i think and went missing for a while
so not sure he is someone to follow.
*just trying to be humourous in these trying times
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 6:59 PM BST
if isleham and fire and ice ran the country the lockdown would be eased today and country back to normal...millions would prob get infected,probably hundreds of thousands die...
nhs unable to cope and most would probably die in their own homes.
but at least some have gotten back to work.

hi5
Report Fire-and-Ice April 10, 2020 7:19 PM BST
‘Going outdoors is what stops every respiratory disease’

A veteran scholar of epidemiology has warned that the ongoing lockdowns throughout the United States and the rest of the world are almost certainly just prolonging the coronavirus outbreak rather than doing anything to truly mitigate it.

Knut Wittkowski, previously the longtime head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City, said in an interview with the Press and the Public Project that the coronavirus could be “exterminated” if we permitted most people to lead normal lives and sheltered the most vulnerable parts of society until the danger had passed.

“[W]hat people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary,” he said.

“With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated,” he added.

Wittkowski argued that the standard cycle of respiratory diseases is a two-week outbreak, including a peak, after which “it’s gone.” He pointed out that even in a regime of “social distancing,” the virus will still find ways to spread, just more slowly:

You cannot stop the spread of a respiratory disease within a family, and you cannot stop it from spreading with neighbors, with people who are delivering, who are physicians—anybody. People are social, and even in times of social distancing, they have contacts, and any of those contacts could spread the disease. It will go slowly, and so it will not build up herd immunity, but it will happen. And it will go on forever unless we let it go.

Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”

www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/

Video interview which expands his argument...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

Willy, I'll listen to qualified people like Knut and you follow Chris Whitty who couldn't even keep himself safe!
Report themightymac April 10, 2020 7:20 PM BST
No Racing has probably cost WS more than anybody else on here, but he has always backed the total shut down and thought of the health of other people from the start. Respect.
Report akabula April 10, 2020 7:26 PM BST
Report mmmalushka April 10, 2020 7:46 PM BST
^^^^^^


Oor Quisling and his silly photos, wrong again, health matters are devolved,Scotlands decision makers will decide how to fight the Corona Virus.
Report s.kenbo April 10, 2020 7:48 PM BST
I don’t think you need to get the violins out for Willie just yet, Mac.
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 10:09 PM BST
you know what mac..i dont think i'd miss it.
Report themightymac April 10, 2020 11:46 PM BST
Willie, I am of the same thought as you, but nowhere remotely near your good self in the money stakes.

Credit where credit is due mate. Well spoken.
Report Willie Shafter. April 10, 2020 11:57 PM BST
ty.
Report Soapy Boaby April 11, 2020 6:02 AM BST
What wee Nicola needs to address is how an Independent Scotland would have financed the NHS, business payments, furlough payments, mortgage holidays, tax breaks for self employed, etc, etc etc. It's now clear the E U would be able to provide any financial support so what would be the fate of the Scottish Nation ? Trying to be different in a time of crisis is not whats needed........an example In UK all the new emergency "pop-up" hospitals are called Nightingale except in Scotland where wee Nicola opted for NHS Louisa Jordan.........total nonsense.
Report Soapy Boaby April 11, 2020 6:02 AM BST
That should be the EU WOULD NOT provide any financial aid
Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 8:24 AM BST
surely she's been asked to explain that situation?
Report Soapy Boaby April 11, 2020 8:47 AM BST
You would think so, but nothing being asked ! In interviews no one asks her about this.........she also get's a pass on the Care Workers concern about the quality of the PPE, the fact she is on record saying that the need for more testing is a fallacy, also the government are still trying to work out how to count the deaths................she can talk, talk and talk give all guidance that she can dream up, but the front line care workers including 120 consultants, doctors, nurses etc who signed an open letter last week deserve more that her promises.............some action would be good. It's just not good enough................
Report sparrow April 11, 2020 8:48 AM BST
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Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 8:50 AM BST
which posts is this directed at ,sparrow?
Report sparrow April 11, 2020 8:59 AM BST
That is a matter for betfair willie.
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 3:21 PM BST
"don't tell him Pike!"

Ah Pike! Your name vill also go on ze list!"

Wink
Report sparrow April 11, 2020 3:33 PM BST
A leading contender appears.
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 3:41 PM BST
its par for course regarding anywhere public can converse at moment


been a lot of misinformation regarding covid , cures , what to do etc which could possibly be highly unsafe if followed

this place needs to be seen to be acting in a responsible manner regarding this probably legally tbh , rightly so
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 3:59 PM BST
You a book-burning type sparrow?
Report Cutter27 April 11, 2020 4:00 PM BST
Oh, dear, idiots pecking at one another.
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 4:03 PM BST
merely debate cutter

little else to do till the days of debauchery return tbh
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 4:03 PM BST
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watch what you say now boys
where have i tried to deceive deliberately?
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 4:05 PM BST
The days of debauchery?
Interesting term that Hello!
Report Cutter27 April 11, 2020 4:06 PM BST
Hello, do you indeed know the definition of debate, child?
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 4:08 PM BST
futile attempt to draw reaction fails in epic proportions

next please Happy
Report Cutter27 April 11, 2020 4:10 PM BST
The omission of simple capital letters to start a sentence is unforgivable.
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 4:15 PM BST
the 90s just txt , want their insult back mate
Report isleham April 11, 2020 4:42 PM BST
hello
definitely more to do than debate, and i use that word very loosely, on here
i know you like to bike ride but try reading books,listen to music,watch films,jobs in the house and
garden..surely so much better than staying on here so much
for myself i am working through my own horse racing and cricket library..very fulfilling
Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 4:45 PM BST
cutter / fire and ice

tim nice but dim & diane abbott.
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 4:48 PM BST
shut up Willy
grown ups talking
Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 4:57 PM BST
Cool
Report Fire-and-Ice April 11, 2020 5:00 PM BST
Cool
Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 5:06 PM BST
listening to the tea time discussion on sky news now with priti patel and the medical officer its quite clear this lockdown aint gona be ending anytime in the near future.
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 5:11 PM BST
its impossible tbh without blowing up the NHS and losing a lot of lives

noticed he didn't mention testing either today as way out that was worrying , just drugs/vaccine

we are in round one he said , not a sprint but a marathon

really bleak tbh
Report Willie Shafter. April 11, 2020 8:08 PM BST
tis indeed hello..but we been bleating this for 2 weeks.
Report hello :-) April 11, 2020 9:18 PM BST
i always seen a way out down line , 2 months or something then gradual lift

todays presser really was quite sobering tho really don't see how thats possible , even with testing they already know 90% of pop hasn't been in contact with virus

looks like todays presser was preparation for the news we all know is coming next wk

the medic on today always tells it as it is tbh
Report Willie Shafter. April 12, 2020 12:08 AM BST
aye..its still in its grip.
Report Soapy Boaby April 15, 2020 6:40 PM BST
Nicola announced today at her daily 12:30 press conference that Care Homes have accounted for 25% of Covid deaths in Scotland. I'm sure everyone was relieved when she said that the government had previously issued "GUIDANCE".......no priority, just guidance. The lack of focus on care homes is a disgrace.......and as the residents are invariably old with underlying medical conditions putting them in the Number 1 target group plans should have been made from Day 1. It is over 100 days since the first death in Europe and the government in Scotland has only issued guidance......If Nicola would stop talking, stop showboating at her daily press conference and concentrate on actually doing something.....lives could have been saved !
Report stewarty b April 15, 2020 8:17 PM BST
Spot on SB.
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