For the covid19 conspiracy theorists..

Andrew Wakefield dared to put his reputation on the line and was hounded out of the UK.

Practices successfully now in the USA without having to endure the vitriol of the big Pharma companies who are systematically ruining the lives of the children they are vaccinating with their hokus pokus shoite.

Grappler just another shining example of what either proves to be a paid member of the opposition, a complete fool or a combination of both.

Top guy though, has to be sayed.

I think grappler will be impressed by this guy, speaks well, seems to have a good handle on the c-19 situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hULuhm5c_Y

one at a time gents. at the end of bottle 3 now.

know nothing about mcann. but do not enjoy the ghoulish speculation

the lancet has long been the trade union rag of the quacks. its been hijacked by trots who dont practice. so you are inadvertently on the right lines. although i suspect you consulted dr.google

leafyloony at it again. wakefield was struck off for telling porkies. and it wasnt by big pharma. there is not another quack who does not vaccinate their children. he was exposed in court(presumably by by bigwigs) as a liar. im not an expert but the spike in mmr since the reduction in vaccination strongly say hes dangerous.

I rather agree with grappler,and that's something I never thought I'd post.

so im vindicated in my initial statement then grappler

isnt andrew wakefield a trotskyite activist hiding behind his lancet facade

madeleine mccann wasnt abducted..thats a 1.01.

jfk was shot 1st by LHO then by a secret service agent...thats also a 1.01.

You're a loon Grappler lol

I know for a fact that many doctors wont subject their children to the MMR jab.

They know the dangers of bombarding a young uns immune system before it has had chance to kick in.

At the very most they will consider one of the components or maybe two at separate times.

There has been no spike aside from your imagination.

Mainstream medical community is dead scared to veer from the public message because they know they will be struck off and even worse they are given immunity from prosecution for sticking poisons into our children's veins. There might be one in  hundred parents who will  question what is in the jab or whether they should ask the person who is administering the poison are they liable if their child is detrimentally harmed, or worse by the vaccination.

Hats off to those brave enough to raise their head above the parapet and put their neck on the line to preserve their fellow human being.

gb. he doesnt, hes not a dr. but hes right about china and its utter disregard for human life and cynicism when it come to spreading lies and disinformation. it has been at it for 70 years and millions have died. it should be held to account when this hell is over, but it wont be. we will all blame each other. there is a reason these viruses start in certain places, like sars mers, bird flu, swine fever. animals, many wild, kept in horrible conditons in proximity to people, and killed in front of you. until this vileness ends these viruses will get worse every time. but if we do what ive been boring on about for decades we will tell them to go away. no trade, no sporting events. get lost. sadly for us all, i aint pm.

nobody is immune to nonsense. if only i could lay billies 101. you are a fool. every aspect of jfk has been analysed to death. there is no evidence for what you said, except in the tiny mind of oliver stone.

there was even an exhaustive examination of it on bbc2 that went out to find a problem with the oswald killing. they could not. pity ive forgotten its name. so the cia/fbi told oswald what to do, but had back up? thats it. another massive conspiracy with no squealers. amazing how good the yanks are at this caper. dunno what happened with watergate; they couldnt even keep a small burglary quiet.

as for leafy; 'Mainstream medical community is dead scared to veer from the public message because they know they will be struck off and even worse they are given immunity from prosecution for sticking poisons into our children's veins.'

do you know how many drs. have to be silenced to enable this? and they all stfu to maintain this lie? as i said. you is a loony

If you really think Lee Harvey killed Kennedy and acted alone you must be about the only cretin still alive that goes,totally impossible the bullets he fired could hit Kennedy in the side of the head from that angle, ffs man what is wrong with you?

i consider it an honour and privilege to be told to phuck off by terence. the greatest of them all. when you are given your orders by a group 1, grade a, premium quality, top-of-the-range, ultraloon you have to tip your hat to the supremo and do as he commands. adios

kudos tel.quite impressive credentials.

Colin McLarens documentary explains perfectly how jfk was shot..he also explained perfectly how diana died.

how did she die then...id imagine a drugged drink a distraction car and a flashbang...enlighten me

It's all conspiracy theorists that start this nonsense.

conspiracy theorists think you is self isolating on the moon stew

and then theres other loons who reckon you just carrying on as normal

And man didn't land on the moon......

I haven't been out of my bedroom for about 10 days unless to visit the toilet or fridge for food or bow. (6 and counting)

Colin McLarens documentary explains perfectly how diana died..henri paul the driver travelling too fast..clipped the kerb entering the tunnel and caused the car to lose control..anyone who thinks she was murdered needs sectioning.

Plus he was above the limit.

Never seen the McLaren one, Shafty. Just watching it now. That lil tower&track setup they tested with the marksmen was very interesting..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIcsxAfstVE&t=7m20s

Mar 28, 2020 -- 11:56PM, leif wrote:

Andrew Wakefield dared to put his reputation on the line and was hounded out of the UK.Practices successfully now in the USA without having to endure the vitriol of the big Pharma companies who are systematically ruining the lives of the children they are vaccinating with their hokus pokus shoite.

leif loves to see children dying and crippled by completely preventable diseases - he and his kind are utter scum.

Mar 29, 2020 -- 12:46AM, terry mccann wrote:

YOU talk totally and utter b0llocks Grapps,you are very good at calling everyone a loon but you are far worse than that,a thick c unt who cant see the woods from the trees,do one and p1ss off

terry loves to see children dying and crippled by completely preventable diseases - he and his kind are utter scum.

snipey..colin mclarens documentarys solves both cases perfectly...case closed.

yet the masses still think diana was murdered,still think there was a gunman on the grassy knoll..

its absolutely incredible how easy it is to mislead people when obvious facts stare you in the face.

grappler 28 Mar 20 23:39 
nobody is immune to nonsense. if only i could lay billies 101. you are a fool. every aspect of jfk has been analysed to death. there is no evidence for what you said, except in the tiny mind of oliver stone.

never had any grief with grappler..but after this statement he's now in the clown league..wd sir.

Grappler is a well known dipstick. He will not believe anything unless it is covered in his latest copy of the Beano. Total imbecile !!

Dave1357 borrows grapplers Beano after he has scanned it for news updates then promptly regurgitates it up on these pages. Yet another dope who will believe anything they print. #dopes.inc.

btw..who mention Oliver Stone?

Them 2 and many others like them are only escaped extras from the walking dead where there day job is simply to walk around in a brain dead simulation ( which they find extremely easy ) following the group think of the herd they are gathered behind.

Best not to engage with them Willie. They will refuse to see anything for themselves. It has to be in print in their papers / comics of choice. There only comprehension of research is to try and find a back copy of the nonsense they first spouted it from.

out of curiosity Jw..have you watched mclarens documentarys on the 2 subjects?

Just watching the one you posted up now.

i posted a video on the virus..snipey posted the jfk one...not sure if mclarens diana one is still on you tube.

interesting video. As with most events of this magnitude so little seems to add up whatever way you look at it. Always best to take a step back and see what happens regarding the money as that invariably holds the key.

This is what everyone should be looking at and sharing.
This is the medical truth of what happens to your body.
No conspiracy theory.
Just reality


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM

Must be true. He did sound effects at the beginning so..............fact

Shafty, the problem with so many different theories, and so many nuts projecting their own, is any rational one among them is generally dismissed as lies/fantasy. Each case is different and we should always keep an open mind before receiving ALL THE FACTS. The Di one was fairly clear from the get-go. Those scumbag vultures hounding and chasing her down obviously contributed to the tragic incident, but ultimately that crash is owned by the inadequate driver.

On the JFK, it still takes some doing to believe Mclaren's exact theory .. from the "ricochet" bullet to the "accidental" fatal shot..it's all rather incredible..

BUT, incredible things do happen in life..

A perceived 'rational' theory is decided by whom?
The official theory is in itself a conspiracy theory.

Here's an article "shooting holes" in that particular theory

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_...

Pretty amazing that with all of the pharmaceutical companies based in Switzerland that not one has come forward with a possible vaccine.

one of them sent a note to staff saying it’s business as usual and simply to wfh...

Mar 28, 2020 -- 10:22PM, chavman wrote:

government has classed covid-19 as low level .....that was when i turned off.fake news or propoganda

exactly

official UK government website on march 19th no longer regarded covid-19 as a HCID (high consequence infectious disease)
that statement is still up there

just the latest in these series of "world events"

House arrest aka lockdown worldwide over low level,perfectly acceptable NOT.

as predicted T, the reactions of the governments a far far far bigger problem than the frigging virus itself

as predicted W

terry would rather carry on the #herdimmunity strategy and have your parents be regarded as a stat rather than a human being

get yourself out clapping tonite lad , 8pm im told

stats from public health england

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/876005/Weekly_all_cause_mortality_surveillance_week_13_2020_report.pdf

- In week 12 2020 in England, no statistically significant excess mortality by week of death above the upper 2 z-score threshold was seen overall, by age group or sub nationally (all ages) after correcting ONS disaggregate data for reporting delay with the standardised EuroMOMO algorithm (Figure 1). This data is provisional due to the time delay in registration; numbers may vary from week to week. 

- In the devolved administrations, no statistically significant excess allcause mortality for all ages was observed for Northern Ireland and Wales in week 12 and for Scotland in week 10 2020 (Table 2).

no spike in deaths
so this is mostly a transfer of stated cause of death to covid-19 from x,y,z pre-existing medical condition(s)

completely different to what is being reported in the mainstream media, quelle surprise

Could alter though if the death rate increases to say 6/7 800 like it's doing in Spain and Italy.

Week 15 onwards could see an an excess death rate.

But yes as it is now (wk 12) there's no spike in deaths above what would have been predicted.

yes 600-800 a day in UK would be a gamechanger

tough to compare across countries given different population sizes, demographics etc

Great deal of Social Panic going on.

Behavioural Psychologists will dine well on the back of it.

The guy on the BBC news channel looks and sounds rough.

The photo of the guy aged 112 behind him makes the older fella look far healthier

Any large countrys  not affected with this. ?

snipey,mclarens hypothesis seems bang on imo..no danger the fatal shot was fired at head hight from behind..it blew the side of his head off..without doubt by a hollow point bullet..the secret service in the car behind were carrying assault rifles loaded with hollow point ammo.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed...

csan you post the full link and spilt it..that wont open.

it's in full on the new forum, Willie

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_
Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html

ty..will peruse as a matter of urgency .

that article done nothing to change my mind...that article alone just casts aspersions..doesnt debunk mclarens hypothesis..jfk's side of head was blown out to his right..exactly the trajectory the secret agents hollow point bullet would have taken..everything about the autopsy was covered up..for obv reasons.

case closed another 1.01 landed.

Willie, look this up on youtube....  Bill Cooper explains what is clearly shown in the unedited Zapruder film. JFK was assassinated by William Greer, the driver. That is interesting. If you can still find it.

Milton William "Bill" Cooper (May 6, 1943 – November 5, 2001) was an American conspiracy theorist, radio broadcaster, and author best known for his 1991 book Behold a Pale Horse, in which he warned of multiple global conspiracies, some involving extraterrestrial life

thats enuff to cast doubts on anything he says

As Cooper moved away from the Ufology community and toward the militia and anti-government subculture in the late 1990s, he became convinced that he was being personally targeted by President Bill Clinton and the Internal Revenue Service. In July 1998 he was charged with tax evasion; an arrest warrant was issued, but Cooper eluded repeated attempts to serve it. In 2000, he was named a "major fugitive" by the United States Marshals Service.[8]

On November 5, 2001, Apache County sheriff's deputies attempted to arrest Cooper at his Eagar, Arizona home on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and endangerment stemming from disputes with local residents. After an exchange of gunfire during which Cooper shot one of the deputies in the head, Cooper was fatally shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1TRH6VmP8

The blokes just another speculating theorist..pretty obv the driver is going to turn and look at jfk after 2 bullets have hit him.Ask yourself one thing..why was the autopsy cloaked in secrecy? Why did jfk's brain miraculously go awol? i'll tell you..to mask the truth. case closed.

BILL COOPER: THE LIFE AND DEATH OF THE FIRST TRUTHER.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ISMpzpxemE 1hr 22m Thank me afterwards.

Never take the first words you find written about anyone as gospel. Research for yourself and make your own call. ( which i feel sure you do in reality )

Trust those who can call something out b4 it happens and never rely solely on those that report on same matter subsequently

Shafty, eye completely understand the theory "fits", but how incredible is it that not only is there a nut behind you high up in a building trying to blow your head off(which was btw conveniently left completely unchecked/unmonitored, even though it gifted any loony marksmen a lovely view to wipe out the prez.. )..but one of the people right behind; tasked with protecting you at any cost, ends up doing more damage(by "freak accident") than the maniac shooter? the whole thing, must be a 1 in what chance?

As humans, we just HATE not having definitive answer to any major question. Some HATE so much that they latch on to 1 "possible" theory and convince themselves there's no alternate..

Correct or not here, this particular case will always be shrouded in mystery/theories given the absurdity of everything that happened..followed by the wanted suppression of all the truths/facts.

It is a long documentary but we aint got much else on atm have we,  and dont give up on it early .. stick with it and you will find out why i trust him above all others.

Many  others speculate about finding the truth but only the very dangerous ones pay the ultimate price.( Again as you well know )

Just a small tip for anyone who wants to look at the death of JFK. Do not get tied up in knots with all of the theories ,they are all in place for a reason.  Try to concentrate on the WHY and  the WHO benefits from his death. Its all there if you really want to see it.

but hey what do i know many simply throw a tin foil hat over me on here

The only man alive at the time who cant remember where he was the day Kennedy died was George Bush Snr later to became President but at the time was head of the CIA. He was in Dallas.

This virus is passed on by coughing and sneezing droplets and touching things that are infected.........so what would have happened if this virus was air borne and passed on easier and with no hindrance? It would have run it's course and fizzled out eventually!!!???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnx-2kwOv-w&t=1m11s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yznRGS9f-jI&t=3m4s

terry mccann • March 30, 2020 10:10 AM BST
The only man alive at the time who cant remember where he was the day Kennedy died was George Bush Snr later to became President but at the time was head of the CIA. He was in Dallas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

11th Director of Central Intelligence
In office
January 30, 1976 – January 20, 1977

terry just spouts complete pish from when he gets up in the morning to when he goes to bed.  He is a pish fountain.

snipey,i couldnt agree more..not even value at 1000

but,it is the most likely scenario.

"not even value at 1000" perhaps just adds weight to the idea of "what's for you won't go by you"..

ask yourself why you have to take an interweb account of jfks death to make you decide it was a plot. its remarkable what you can put together to support a theory you want to be true. its not just conformation bias. any skilled operator can put up a plausible case for almost anything. there is a reason that russia and china spend oodles of their defence budget on filling youtube and twitter with garbage. its effective, cheap and easy deniable. do not think you are immune.

what conspiracists do not do is think through what it is that they are saying. if what mclaren says is true there was a vast secret plan to murder the president and it had to super-secret. only the most trusted would be invited to join. how? the head of the cia/fbi got his most trusted agents together and said he had an idea, but we all must swear an oath of total secrecy(obv, death awaits). maybe one of his agents put it to him. one thing is true;the person who proposed this murder was taking a very big risk. prob life in jail. luckily, he found a receptive audience and they all decided the pres. had to die and they would hire a mug to do it for them.  amazingly, not one of them thought this outrageous and bubbled them up. lucky. the plan had to be absolutely er.. bullet-proof, any error meant death for them all. and the conspiracists cannot come up with a motive for such an act of unprecedented lese majeste.

what is more likely? that a cabal of the highest secret agents in the land hatched a plot to murder the wildly popular jfk at risk of their own death and enlisted an oddball to carry out the deed, confident he wouldnt grass them up?  or that an inadequate oddball loner wanted to make a name for himself, as others of his ilk have done?

you could make another dozen cases much stronger to say it was oswald, alone and if you hadnt seen that one you would believe them.

also, there is little chance that the ussr did not know the truth. and oswald spent time in moscow, very unusual then. would they let the the u.s. get away with it? inconceivable, especially given the timing of it, at the height of the cold war. if a solo geezer can 'prove' it what could a state actor do? ruin the u.s. by exposing them. but they dont.

now, of course, with the interweb russian and chinese cyberwarriors envelope the world in a fog of lies. nobody knows how many they have pumping out nonsense, because they are dictatorships and do what they want, with zero scrutiny. whenever some brave soul asks uncomfortable questions, they are soon rubbed out. there is no equivalent in the west. china spewing out lies about the virus already, in expectation of damaging fallout.

and why are conspiracists only looking in one direction? the number of strange events and deaths that have involved russia and china surely merit a conspiracy test from the truth-seekers?

apparently not

it isn't impossible imo that two independent shooters had a go as dealey plaza in an open top car was completely fking asking for it.

because its not impossible doesnt mean thats what happened. 9/11 could have been an inside job. the jelly could have ordered dianas murder.

no testimony is sufficient to establish a conspiracy, unless the testimony is of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish.

I didn't say it did.  And furthermore the word "independent" was included to exclude a conspiracy.

As you know many Americans love their guns and many hate their presidents.  That is all that is required to explain the assassination.

Indeed Dave, in this country they were panic buying for bog rolls, in America they were panic buying for guns!

Dave has solved the JFK case in one sentence

grap..you cant deny its 1.01 Oswald was a lone gunman assigned to a task..as you say prob cuban/russian intervention..the 3rd bullet blew the right side of his head off..due to hollow point ammo..the sr-15 carried by the ssa behind used that ammo..trajectory was perfect..so,who else fired the 3rd bullet? why was the autopsy shrouded in secrecy?..case closed m'lord.

Still hard to fathom how such a gilt-edged sniper posi within the route was left completely free

couldnt agree more. it was oswald as loan gunman. did not say any intervention from elisewhere.

lots of clever people with brains nearly as big as mine have looked at this and they all say it was oswald. no more to see folks. arguments about ballistics are as futile as the arguments about the twin towers not collapsing as they should. not enough to alter the very high probability that lho did it. wish i could find that beeb destruction of the conspiracist case but cant.

"lots of clever people with brains nearly as big as mine have looked at this "


try to establish authority with B0llock$

leafy, ewe is a bit fick aintcha?

Grappler - the man with two brains.

There were a program on one of the freeview channels a few years back
The magic bullet was explained thus.
Its b0ll0x
One secret service guy rolled up and blithely explained that one of his mates was riding in the convoy. Rifle in his hand lying on the side of the open top limo.
Car ran over a bump, secret service guy accidentally let one off.
You can guess where it ended up..
..
As so often in life when it comes to **** up v Conspiracy, i will tend toward the former. Thank you very much.

that may be so. but its not a conspiracy so is unacceptable to the loons.

"By early 1964, the Agency had concluded that Oswald's contact with the KGB In Mexico City "was nothing more than a grim coincidence"..

So, we have god awful protection. Freak "accident"(that was actually needed to finish the job) which conveniently accounts for the intense cover up..all of which was sparked and exploited by lone nut who knew about an unmanned sweet spot..and wasn't actually just some random, unknown maniac, but rather someone the CIA and FBI had known of and been "tracking" for years, leading to a known meeting with KGB leader in Mehico..

Poor agent Hickey would have to be the "unluckiest" man to have ever graced this earth..

you will not be aware that the number of 'illegals' and other agents infiltrated into the western world by the kgb ran to thousands, if not tens of thousands. most were engaged low-level activity but a few were extremely dangerous. its impossible to track all of them all the time and co-ordinate info pre-computer age and mass communication. thats why the stasi had colossal card-filing systems occupying whole buildings that only a german police state could operate. and it was 1/50th the size of the u.s.

it is one of the perils of living in a free society that your enemies are free to roam in their aim to harm and very difficult to track. no such problem in the socialist countries, as nobody had any freedom to do anything at that time

grap,respect for concurring (to a degree) the 3rd bullet couldnt have came from ossy period..the type of bullet he used couldnt have blown the side of his head off and his trajectory was way out.

What was the original post about?
It's disappeared from youpube and now I gots to know

was a bloke narrating opinions from various medical experts.