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Dear reader,

It is with great sadness I must announce that following Thursday's edition the Racing Post will be temporarily suspending publication. Unfortunately, with racing in Britain and Ireland halted, betting shops closed, and our governments urging everyone to stay at home as much as possible to slow the spread of the coronavirus, we have been left with no other choice. 

Recent events have had an unfathomable impact on our world. We have seen harrowing pictures of overcrowded hospitals and overwhelmed medical professionals in other countries, and in Britain and Ireland we are bracing ourselves for similar scenes, while hoping the extensive measures announced thus far will forestall them.

Sport and betting pale into insignificance when weighed against such terrible events, but we hope in these difficult last two weeks we have provided our readers with the information they need to understand what is happening, and some welcome distraction from the unrelenting news about Covid-19's spread. In particular, I hope we have helped keep those employed in racing and facing difficult financial times ahead informed about the support available to them.

I am also incredibly proud of the work done by the Racing Post team during this crisis. From dozens of makeshift home offices, they have produced every word on every page you have read over recent days. Sadly, some of our team are being temporarily stood down, utilising the job retention scheme announced by the government, until the paper returns.

I know many of you will share our enormous disappointment that this is the last edition of the Racing Post for a while. However, we will continue to publish on racingpost.com and on the Racing Post mobile app, ensuring that racing professionals, punters and fans of the sport are informed and entertained for however long this shutdown might last. Racing might be suspended, but we know your passion for the sport and need for accurate information continues. We're still here to serve you.

At some point in the coming weeks or months, when the worst of this disease has passed, horseracing will resume. When racing is back, the Racing Post newspaper will be back as well, filled with all the wit, wisdom, data and analysis that you expect from us.

It is important in these dark days to remember that better times will come again. In Thursday's edition, our writers have picked out the stars of the sport who will keep them looking forward in the weeks to come. We can't wait to see them, and we can't wait to see you again too.

In the meantime, I wish all our readers the very best. Please do continue to join us online, but above all: stay safe, stay healthy and stay home.

With best wishes,
Tom Kerr
Editor
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Report Deptford March 25, 2020 6:26 PM GMT
When racing resumes, leave 99.9% of the useless gravy train cowards at home where they deserve to be and charge £1 per copy.
Report lord skywalker March 25, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
i stopped subscribing to the website about 6 months ago, so slow way too many bookie ads anyway whats the point in a daily paper if no sport on A BIT POINTLESS!!
Report mcgill March 25, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
well said
Report Johnny_Mustang March 25, 2020 6:54 PM GMT
What else could they do. The correct decision.
Report geordie1956 March 25, 2020 6:58 PM GMT
Deptford says it ... £1 a copy will gain more readers than the current price structure
Pity we can't resurrect the Racing Chronicle
Report sparrow March 25, 2020 7:00 PM GMT
Only one paper needs resurrecting and that is obviously the Sporting Life.
Totally different class.
Report geordie1956 March 25, 2020 7:03 PM GMT
Aye the Sporting Life was the best ...
Report onlooker March 25, 2020 7:27 PM GMT
I wish I had a copy of - "the Racing Chronicle" - geordie1956 .....

It would be worth a fortune - as there has never been such a newspaper.

I do, however, have a final copy of the - Sporting Chronicle.  Happy

But, to put matters into perspective - The 'Sportin Chron'- was a dreadful racing paper - The Form display in particular being AWFUL. Cry
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When the Sporting Life became available throughout the WHOLE Country - in the early/mid-1970s - having only circulated in the South and parts of the Midlands up to then ... that was the beginning of the end for the Chron - who up to that time had a Northern and monopoly.

The Sporting Chron tried to expand circulation into the South, to counter the Life now being available in the North - and that was financial suicide for the Chron, with additional printing and distribution expense - and also exposing the deficiencies of the Chron as a racing paper compared to the Sporting Life.

Rather like the Racing Post not having a contender nowadays.
Report barry dennis March 25, 2020 7:33 PM GMT
On its return I would prefer just the days horse race cards, leave all the other stats facts and reports out
Report Facts March 25, 2020 7:43 PM GMT
sparrow    25 Mar 20 19:00 
Only one paper needs resurrecting and that is obviously the Sporting Life.
Totally different class.



Totally agree.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 7:49 PM GMT
No matter what your thoughts are of the racing post we are in very sad times
Report saxon farm March 25, 2020 7:58 PM GMT
Why was the Sporting Life so great?
In the depths of winter in its latter years the paper often only consisted of 12 pages.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 8:03 PM GMT
its What old people do saxonWink


The sportsman newspaper was never given a chance
Report chavman March 25, 2020 8:11 PM GMT
the sunday sport has become a shocking omission from our shelves in latter times
Report thelatarps March 25, 2020 8:11 PM GMT
i liked the sportsman.
especially that they only really had one set of tipsters, namely the 4 horsemen.
They would come up with one selection for a race and that was it.
I mean, the racing post has more tipsters than runners in your average handicap hurdle.
Makes me sick when they boast about tipping a 14/1 winner when they probably had a dozen tipsters putting their opinion forward.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 8:19 PM GMT
One of the complaints about the paper thelatarps was the form layout which if given a chance they could have changed or people got use to it,even back then there was the usual negative comments on this forum I thought it had a lot of good points and was at least an alternative to the post.
Report ronnie rails March 25, 2020 8:42 PM GMT
anybody have any idea if the rp weekender and rfo are still published. the editor is a good friend of mine ,actually spoke to him today but he never mentioned it,

very sad times at the moment,
stay safe
Ronnie.
Report mrcombustible March 25, 2020 8:44 PM GMT
They are not pausing subs like RUK
Report foxy March 25, 2020 8:45 PM GMT
Can’t help you with your questions Ronnie but you stay safe also
Report morpteh mackem March 25, 2020 8:47 PM GMT
assume weekender and rfo suspended too
Report saxon farm March 25, 2020 8:47 PM GMT
ronnie
The weekender was published today.
Report sevey March 25, 2020 8:56 PM GMT
And RFo on Tuesday Not Worth a Carrot
Report morpteh mackem March 25, 2020 8:56 PM GMT
looked at twitter for rfo- jeremy chapmans comments suggest all 3 suspended.
Report posy March 25, 2020 9:10 PM GMT
When I first got interested in racing I remember buying a weekly magazine called 'The Racehorse' .I recall it as having a small number of pages, but packed with interesting articles and excellent tips.

Never found a better racing publication
Report thelatarps March 25, 2020 9:25 PM GMT
yeah foxy, remember the form layout. Bit of a nightmare i suppose. It was just a bit different to the Post. I remember David Pipe saying that the old man couldnt have the racing post at any price. Owing to the form layout being so different to that of the sporting life.
A very subjective thing form layout, obviously.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 9:30 PM GMT
Without checking how long ago do you think the sportsman was ?
Report ronnie rails March 25, 2020 9:37 PM GMT
foxy
never looked but I would thought about 18 years ago.
one of the reporters used to borrow my timeform prospectus.
regards
Ronnie.

he went on to become Jamie spencers agent  when he won the top jockey.
terrible tipster.
Report ronnie rails March 25, 2020 9:40 PM GMT
Foxy
Andrew Sheraton was the guy was very pally with Jack Ramsden
Ronnie.
Report kevo March 25, 2020 9:43 PM GMT
When you sail your boat dependent on bookmaker sponsorship, if and when the rats jump ship you are sunk.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 9:43 PM GMT
Not as long as 18 years Ronnie
Report foxy March 25, 2020 9:44 PM GMT
I wish you could still get the prospectus ronnie
Report thelatarps March 25, 2020 9:44 PM GMT
remember the sportsman was around 2006, 2007 if memory serves.
Utd beat chelsea to the league.
Andy Gray was a columnist and i think he tipped it..
Report ronnie rails March 25, 2020 9:44 PM GMT
Foxy
wont be far off.

Ronnie.
Report foxy March 25, 2020 9:46 PM GMT
It was 2006
Report ronnie rails March 25, 2020 9:49 PM GMT
foxy
thought it was longer but you are correct
lasted for 7 months
regards
Ronnie.
Report lord skywalker March 25, 2020 9:55 PM GMT
i remember when i rung up RPOST to complain about the website being slow, the reply was weve had no other complaints and could you use another search engine like mozilla or opera because it doesnt work so well in chrome, i liked the analyis in horse form but as it took so long to load sometimes and then other times form would be missing i gave up, even at 50p a day for the website it wasnt worth it, they have to find another form of funding and less crap on the site
Report wood March 25, 2020 10:06 PM GMT
Stopped the Racing Post after Chelters because of the ridiculous price increase.I had a racing paper every day for 55 years.Enjoyed Ian Carnaby and Steve Palmer on the Sunday edition but they were stopped.It was always on the card that they were trying to drive people to take the online edition.With the betting shops closed a large share of their market disappeared.I doubt there will be a printed edition again.
Report lord skywalker March 25, 2020 10:14 PM GMT
like everything else moving online, soon be able to get my weekly supermarket shop from my hologram projector thing like they use in star trek
Report Burkey1885 March 25, 2020 10:21 PM GMT
Rather sad if it seizes
Report GEORGE.B March 25, 2020 10:37 PM GMT
lord skywalker, I was having the same problem, and it seemed the only site I had trouble with, but when I bought a new laptop, I ceased to have any problems with it.
Report lord skywalker March 25, 2020 10:47 PM GMT
never tried it with a laptop, may give that a go when racing resumes
Report ItsMeSwaddle March 25, 2020 11:02 PM GMT
A few more years and goneski.

Nobody under the age of 30 reads the RP surely.

Can anyone tell me the uses for a paper? Maybe im being young+naive but a) what can you get by paying £3.60 or close to that you couldnt get online? b) Also if people are having a "proper bet" off form, surely you want to visually see its last runs???

I get the i'm off racing it provides a racecard argument, thats about it.
Report Ramruma March 25, 2020 11:17 PM GMT
I hope the Post returns on paper, even though I subscribe online.

On the historical comparisons, the Sporting Life had the better form layout, and better reporting, but the Post now has statistics and analysis the Life could not have dreamt of. Obviously if the Life had survived to the present day, it might have these things too.

The Sportsman was a huge disappointment. It was shockingly bad; literally unreadable in places. One can only imagine the team was so caught up in what it was doing that no-one stepped back before the launch and said, hold on, this is not working. Groupthink.
Report onlooker March 25, 2020 11:23 PM GMT
Entirely agree - Ramruna

The Sportsman Layout was a mess.

No advantage, or even aid, to a full serious Form student whatsoever.

it never had a hope in hell.
Report GEORGE.B March 25, 2020 11:25 PM GMT
Advantages of the paper:

Quick reference eg for full spotlights, form, pedigrees (particularly 2YOs as they carry a write up in the form)

Statistics summary for each horse

If you study replays, saves the eyes from having to look at the computer and TV simultaneously, beneficial and saves time on busy days imo

RPR improver arrows: horses who have run at least 3 times who have recorded consecutive career best RPRS on their last two starts

that's just off the top of my head
Report GEORGE.B March 25, 2020 11:27 PM GMT
* also adjusted ratings as a quick reference guide for non-handicaps
Report GEORGE.B March 25, 2020 11:30 PM GMT
Essentially, you're not having to open loads of windows to access information, so in a nutshell: TIME, and it's kinder on the eyes!
Report doantwin2easy March 26, 2020 12:47 AM GMT
A few more years and goneski.

Nobody under the age of 30 reads the RP surely.

Can anyone tell me the uses for a paper? Maybe im being young+naive but a) what can you get by paying £3.60 or close to that you couldnt get online? b) Also if people are having a "proper bet" off form, surely you want to visually see its last runs???

I get the i'm off racing it provides a racecard argument, thats about it.


I'm mid age but just to give you an idea of how I study form from the newspaper.

I'd look at the form of every single runner and every single race they'd run. This is usually three pieces of form for each horse. So for each race I'd look at:

the age
the sex
the sex type (colt, gelding, filly, mare etc)
the trainer
the weight
the course
the date
the ground (plus their stats for each ground type)
the trip
the distance beaten
the comments in running (big)
the next run stats (i.e. how many wins and places have come out of the race)
the jockey
the time (and whether it was fast or slow)
the gap since the last run
the form when fresh
the OR (official rating or mark)
the last winning mark
the course(s) won at
the trips won at
whether they'd improve for a step up or step down based on run style of each piece of form and comments in running
whether they'd improve for a step up step down based on breeding and sire stats (will be mostly in my head)
the conditions of the race
the size of the field for each race they've run and therefore the impact of the pace
any collateral form and any weight pulls
whether they like to go left handed or right handed
trainer and jockey explanations where noted by the stewards

All the above is available for each horse within three inches of paper - and eyes can easily scan up and down between runners to look at things like collateral form.

This is aside from all the other information, like spotlight, the birthday of the trainer, cold trainers, jockeys trainer combos, horses for courses, who won the race last year, trainer stats the course etc than the post supplies in other areas and isn't necessarily useful.

I'm just curious how you boys, who use on line, can read form properly in any timely manner.

Each card would take me an hour and a half to two hours to do properly with the info right in front of me without having to click through anywhere. So how do you do it on line without taking all day????

The video is undoubtedly useful and adds another dimension - I'd use it in addition to the above. But it doesn't give you a round enough picture.
Report doantwin2easy March 26, 2020 12:55 AM GMT
Sorry George for essentially repeating some of what you said.
Report Deptford March 26, 2020 6:43 AM GMT
They just do not need so many tipsters or journalists, its laughable, in fact as I have stated before, get rid of the lot of them, who takes any notice of them?
Report flushgordon1 March 26, 2020 6:51 AM GMT
Whoa there big fella!
Report sparrow March 26, 2020 7:43 AM GMT
Nobody under the age of 30 reads the RP surely.






I would think hardly anyone under the age of 30 has ever bought a paper of any description.
Report mrcombustible March 26, 2020 7:52 AM GMT
I subscribe to the RP and also buy the hard copy on days I go racing.(about 100 days a year) I never buy a racecard. I find it much easier to look at the hard copy when racing rather than fiddling with a mobile phone or tablet.
Report sageform March 26, 2020 8:36 AM GMT
I have been buying the hard copy on Saturdays only for several years and find that I still enjoy it. The basic online subscription denies access to most of the articles in the paper which I find very frustrating. It is only the breeding section that keeps me paying the annual fee.
Report thelatarps March 26, 2020 8:56 AM GMT
Mightily impressed with doantwin2easy and his carpet-bomb approach to finding winners.
I do remember noted gambler patrick veitch saying something along the lines of 'there are at least 80 different factors that go into deciding the outcome of a horse race'.

One is minded of an episode of the big bang theory where dr sheldon cooper, mad scientist, declares
'I need to determine where in this swamp of unbalanced formulas squatteth the toad of truth'
Report ItsMeSwaddle March 26, 2020 12:11 PM GMT

Mar 26, 2020 -- 12:25AM, GEORGE.B wrote:


Advantages of the paper:Quick reference eg for full spotlights, form, pedigrees (particularly 2YOs as they carry a write up in the form)Statistics summary for each horse If you study replays, saves the eyes from having to look at the computer and TV simultaneously, beneficial and saves time on busy days imoRPR improver arrows: horses who have run at least 3 times who have recorded consecutive career best RPRS on their last two startsthat's just off the top of my head


Thanks for the reply and if this didnt clear things up, the below defo did, thanks for the reply doantwin2easy+George.

Thank for for the list of 27 factors, ive started "studying properly"(judging by your method you'd think i cut corners!) only 15 months ago and can honestly say I only look at about 19/20 of them 27 factors.

I never thought the paper would be able to save you time so its an interesting point. I was told constantly over the past couple of years to specialise by winners, you cant win if you dont etc etc. So I only bet 5/6F UK only.

If i didn't yes it would literally take all day to study online form.

My method isn't the most logical but has shown a fair profit so wont change it.

I watch every single 5/6F race to monitor and collect tracker horses and analyse races, build a Spreadsheet with notes on all horses ran. Takes 5-15 mins dependent on field size. Cram this all in once a week during winter 3/4h flat.

Then ofc need further analysis on the morning of a race where you have an interest, this takes about 20-30 mins per race.

So theoretically 10h ish max during winter a week.
And then up to 20h a week in summer.

So yes a long story short, if I did study a 7 race card it would take more than 2h online.

Sparrow I reckon theres a low % of us that will read a paper! Not the RP unless I wanted to check how many free spins I could get at Ladbrokes though.

Report dambuster March 26, 2020 12:18 PM GMT
Whats the point in studying form, just wait for the late money, 50% of the time, thats the best way
Report ItsMeSwaddle March 26, 2020 12:20 PM GMT
I stopped doing that aswell.

Found i got better results (small scale) where I just make an assumption all racing is straight.
Report dambuster March 26, 2020 12:37 PM GMT
form in the class 2 plus races are ok, but most of the weeks micky mouse meetings, i follow the late money
Report howard March 26, 2020 1:01 PM GMT
And when you say late I take it you mean very very late  1-2 mins before off time ?
Report dambuster March 26, 2020 2:11 PM GMT
yes
Report ZEALOT March 26, 2020 2:30 PM GMT
The racing post newspaper is one big piece of junk .
Report Deptford March 26, 2020 3:25 PM GMT
Handy if you run out of toilet roll though.
Report Rider March 26, 2020 3:35 PM GMT
spare us tom, all he had to say was nobody is buying the paper so we are out of production

lets hope on the other side of this the racing media take the opportunity to make a long overdue cull of the gravytrain
Report foxy March 26, 2020 3:58 PM GMT
I bought the paper today very enjoyable read.
Report RothmanMike March 26, 2020 8:46 PM GMT
Online version a must for a guide for horse prices,full historical form for each horse,good comprehensive greyhound form.
Free.
What's not to like?
Report doantwin2easy March 27, 2020 8:57 PM GMT

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:56AM, thelatarps wrote:


Mightily impressed with doantwin2easy and his carpet-bomb approach to finding winners.I do remember noted gambler patrick veitch saying something along the lines of 'there are at least 80 different factors that go into deciding the outcome of a horse race'.One is minded of an episode of the big bang theory where dr sheldon cooper, mad scientist, declares'I need to determine where in this swamp of unbalanced formulas squatteth the toad of truth'


Laugh When I was learning in the early 90's everyone worth their salt would pour over the life in this way.

People want a quick fix nowadays and there's little doubt (for me) that the game has become less of a science since then, so maybe some of the shortcuts are justified.

Regardless of method, one thing thing has always been true. The more you put in, the more you get out, whether that's peanuts or gold bars. Back-fitting aside, I know I can easily spot mistakes at the end of a betting day when I haven't put a shift in.

Report thelatarps March 27, 2020 10:23 PM GMT
I think it was gary player who said 'the harder you work, the luckier you get.'

thomas edison put it
'99% perspiration, 1% inspiration'

Kind of like doing the horses I find.
Report sparrow March 28, 2020 8:32 AM GMT
The Racing Post, the sport’s daily trade newspaper, will relaunch a digital version of its print edition from Saturday, just 24 hours after suspending publication in print until British racing returns at the end of the coronavirus pandemic.

Apart from a seven-month spell when it faced competition from its short-lived rival the Sportsman, the Post has been racing’s only daily paper since the closure of the Sporting Life in April 1998.



The news that it would be missing from the industry’s breakfast tables from Friday was met with widespread disappointment and concern, amid fears that a prolonged suspension might mean the print edition would not return. The swift reappearance of the digital edition, however, which is available via download to subscribers to the Post’s “Ultimate” package, will go some way to easing the anxiety.

“Even though circumstances mean getting the newspaper out to our readers the normal way is temporarily impossible, old habits die hard,” Tom Kerr, the Post’s editor, said on Friday.

“We were keen to keep publishing a digital version of the print product, alongside our coverage on racingpost.com and our app. It’ll be much shorter than usual, of course, but will give our readers missing the newspaper a taste of their usual morning read, which should help tide us over until the return of racing means we’re back in print again.”

A majority of the Post’s print journalists are currently “furloughed” awaiting the return of British racing, which is currently suspended until the end of April.

“Everyone at the Racing Post has been incredibly moved by the support offered by our readers, the racing industry and colleagues in the media,” Kerr said. “I’d like to thank everyone who has taken the time to send messages and best wishes in recent days.”

The Post’s digital edition will include coverage of the handful of jurisdictions around the world which are still staging race meetings behind closed doors. These currently include Hong Kong, Australia – where there is Group One action on Saturday – and some tracks in the USA, though active courses are coming under pressure to suspend operations as the number of cases of coronavirus in the US continues to rise.

Javier Castellano, one of the country’s leading jockeys, revealed that he has tested positive for Covid-19 on Thursday, but Gulfstream Park in Florida, where he was due to ride this weekend, currently seems determined to complete its winter season behind closed doors with the Florida Derby card on Saturday.
Report warhan March 28, 2020 10:30 AM GMT
The news that it would be missing from the industry’s breakfast tables from Friday was met with widespread disappointmentLaughLaughLaugh

why?if there is no racing what is there to read about?
Report ZEALOT March 28, 2020 11:01 AM GMT
£3.60 FOR A DAILY NEWSPAPER IS AWFUL AND PLUS ITS FULL OF ABSOLUTE DRIVEL .
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 12:05 PM GMT
U wd think the owner is skint
Does anyone know who owns it I do
Through one of his companies
He cd pay the wages for a thousand years not bat an eye lid ! Laugh
Report BARROWBOY March 28, 2020 4:13 PM GMT
Timeform must be struggling too,wonder if they’re laying off staff.
Report Johnny_Mustang March 28, 2020 5:19 PM GMT
U wd think the owner is skint
Does anyone know who owns it I do
Through one of his companies
He cd pay the wages for a thousand years not bat an eye lid ! Laugh



Exponent Private Equity own it.
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 5:58 PM GMT
And who owns that London boy
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 5:59 PM GMT
Sheik Mohamed  Wink
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 6:02 PM GMT
Sold off most in late 90 a but still
Ownership
In his name I believe
Report RothmanMike March 28, 2020 6:32 PM GMT
Certainly owned the Sporting Life,
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 6:34 PM GMT
Am sure he got around 80 million in late 90 s
Report Deptford March 28, 2020 6:37 PM GMT
Tom Kerr should change his first name to Wayne.
Report Burkey1885 March 28, 2020 6:48 PM GMT
He has hundreds of companies 
Hardly anyone can contemplate
Wealth  I know someone who drives the people who own city
The son a young lad says my parents don’t really
Understand the value of money , they cd actually end world poverty
!  They go to Harrods and shut two floors , and they just shook
Shop shop
,  he took one shopping and she stated oh ave lost my watch
He says is it valuable , had it long , ‘’ no I just bought it
It’s cost around 10 years wages , he said ‘’ al call the police
Don’t be silly she said just take me back to the shop
She bought another one Surprised he was. Hunting for hours had car seated upturned never
Found it ,   I remember through got a brand new car and he waz to drop off the kids after 5 min trying to start it the boy said
May I help you , it was voice activated in Arabic LaughLaugh
Still it beats sitting on a ship
Fighting off samoli pirates ,  he was private security
He was attacked and he was on deck with his machine gun against a doz
The high flyers bolted under deck why he fought for his life !
He saw then off but over 200 bullet holes on boat he said fk this
Even for £2500 a day not worth it !
His sole job it too pretect the kids now !
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 8:06 PM GMT
Which racehorse adorned front page of 1st ever Racing Post?
Report elise March 28, 2020 8:08 PM GMT
was it mr ed the talking horse?
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 8:10 PM GMT
Clue :

Boom

no it wasnt Elise.
Report elise March 28, 2020 8:11 PM GMT
boom boom … basil brush
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 8:11 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report elise March 28, 2020 8:12 PM GMT
listen I can't even rem what I had for breakfast these days
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 8:15 PM GMT
me neither Elise.

but can remember things re hosses from 30 /40 years ago!!
Report GEORGE.B March 28, 2020 8:39 PM GMT
Sonic Lady?
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 8:55 PM GMT
Yes George 85 ish ? think it was Craven meeting Newmarket.
Report GEORGE.B March 28, 2020 8:58 PM GMT
Geoff, there's a pic of the first RP front page on Tony Calvin's twitter account
Report geoff m March 28, 2020 9:10 PM GMT
cheers George
Report GLASGOWCALLING March 28, 2020 10:09 PM GMT
  Does anyone know who owns it I do


Typical arrogant Mart, .... Thick as one of Kenbos Sandwiches. !!!
Report Sainsbury March 30, 2020 9:17 PM BST
i paid £349 in jan again for the year.............will i get some kind of credit.
Report ItsMeSwaddle March 30, 2020 9:41 PM BST
No but you might be able to receive a few free spins from the generous sponsors if you ask nicely.
Report Burkey1885 March 31, 2020 9:46 AM BST

Mar 28, 2020 -- 11:09PM, GLASGOWCALLING wrote:


  Does anyone know who owns it I do Typical arrogant Mart, .... Thick as one of Kenbos Sandwiches. !!!


No you are that’s why you cd not answer typical after time antagonistic
Tripe from one of the forums biggest bull sh——tr
Pretending to know the time of day , another geoffe
Wanna be if it’s not on google as manwell wd say
You know nothing !

Report GLASGOWCALLING March 31, 2020 9:52 AM BST
Chill out Mart, get yourself up Arthur's Seat for a bit of exercise, you look as if you could do with losing a bit of weight.
Better than sat on here 24/7.Happy
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