the day the tories sold the working class down the river

Ban mass gatherings   ????

dont fcuk with with the book readers... they run the Chicken shops... close them and .. ANARCHY IN THE UK...Johnny told yer in 76

A young London boy you causing havoc yer again

I don't think any of that matters at the moment

the only concern should be the vulnerable and getting life back to normal asap tbh


recrimination headlines are primed tho make no mistake

only question is will they be written ….who knows

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

the self employed are the engine of the economy and the driving force behind the anti eu stance that got him elected.hes just fcked us all over.

oil on the computer

you on the cards chav

yeah but with one of the big agency labour suppliers 95% same as me.

Gf 50k on the cards,you can half that again thru agency

are they shutting sites up Town

50k direct i should say

nah,project im on is touching cloth already,well be open until goverment shutdown

fcuk me they built a tbm at blackwall tunnel and still no idea how they gonna get it to greenwich,theyve already cut it in half.end up in about 50 pieces at this rate.

the whole world is being fecked over right now ….by a virus


your deffo a tory tho , that sense of entitlelment shinin on through

i think the self employed are the engine of the economy

hello

if the private sector get a bail out why should the self employed get treated so differently

no probs there irish , I know many self employed

and there in a panic , I want everyone to get help equally that's fair

just windin chav , always boasting about his earnings so he should be ok I imagine

entitlement,no.capitalism ,yes.

i leave the house at 6 and get home at 7and have legal responsibilities should anybody under my supervision get injured or killed.

tbf, there's not a govt in the world that hasn't been caught on the hop by this crisis

this govt like every other is trying to adapt to unimaginable circumstances

trump announced a 3 month delay for tax returns im not sure how much that helps tbh

many jobs have that responsibility chav , and same hours , and paid a lot less

its what you chose to accept tbh

mosques open? are churches closed?

yes closed a few days ago , prayer by live video , small delay

Our local church was closed when i walked past today

If all vulnerable people now have to self isolate for 12 weeks. Shouldn't the rest of us be allowed to the pub or even go to work? We can't hurt anyone and the quicker we catch it and get over it the better. You can't have it all ways. If the vulnerable are locked up safe and sound that's the end of that isn't it??

No - Just PART of it.

They could have tried that from the very beginning but then you have instances like this one:

Nurse, 36, fights for life in Walsall hospital after contracting coronavirus

Mother of three Areema Nasreen has worked at the hospital, in which she is now a patient, for 16 years
A staff nurse in a Walsall hospital is fighting for her life after contracting coronavirus.

Mother of three Areema Nasreen, who has no underlying health issues, is critically ill in the intensive care unit (ICU) at Walsall Manor, the hospital in which she has worked for the last 16 years.

have churches been told officially not to open? apparently been thousands in the fish n chip shops in tynemouth today.

I thought take aways were still allowed to trade..do chippys come under take aways?

Leif, thats a crazy example. Are you telling me that we have to shut down for a 1 in a million shot. All the science points out that it's the old and the vulnerable at risk no one else. Its sad about the nurse but should we ban pregnancy because of the few woman that die in child birth?

Willie Shafter. 22 Mar 20 19:41 
have churches been told officially not to open? apparently been thousands in the fish n chip shops in tynemouth today.
rooster booster 22 Mar 20 19:44 
I thought take aways were still allowed to trade..do chippys come under take aways?

my point is how can you ban pubs,churches opening whilst allowing thousands through a chip shop in a day?

I bet more people die from food poisoning from the chippys in Tynemouth than from coronovirus.

Just Googled it, 500 a year die of food poisoning.

exactly 500?

Willie
will the trading shops survive.
have a nice evening
Ronnie.

Your right Shafter. After a re-read its around 500. In fairness some of them may have been very ill or in a vulnerable group before they ate their chips. They may have died anyway....but the chippies are still unhygienic cesspits.

OP, this is not the appropriate time to whinge. There are more pressing matters to deal with.

5oo a day now dying in Italy.!!

you could get food poisoning anywhere tbh , even Heston had an outbreak a few years ago

tho 500 is surprising thot it would be higher but it maybe doesn't include allergic reaction deaths , how many suffered serious illness do you know ?

many don't die but have incredibly serious reactions and some left with lifetime probs

ronnie rails 22 Mar 20 19:59 
Willie
will the trading shops survive.

ronnie
i feared the worst when british racing stopped,ours costs £400 just to stay open,rent,gas/electric,internet,sky tv,council tax blah blah..not sustainable to pay £1700 ish a mth to lie empty..landlord was asked wed if he'd freeze rent till we know whats happening long term..we paid £12,000 a yr to him for 12yrs utn..still hadnt give us an answer..now the irich is still going few of us still going in to cover the exes..if irish stops and rent isnt froze then no alternative but to close it.

Willie
thank you for your honest answer,
regards
Ronnie.

In Scotland they fry Mars bars in the chippy. It will kill you in the end!! They taste horrible. In fairness you could curl one out i the chippies in Scotland an someone would give you 2 quid for it.

similar to haggis once coated in batter.

Mar 22, 2020 -- 9:32PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:

ronnie rails 22 Mar 20 19:59  Williewill the trading shops survive.ronniei feared the worst when british racing stopped,ours costs £400 just to stay open,rent,gas/electric,internet,sky tv,council tax blah blah..not sustainable to pay £1700 ish a mth to lie empty..landlord was asked wed if he'd freeze rent till we know whats happening long term..we paid £12,000 a yr to him for 12yrs utn..still hadnt give us an answer..now the irich is still going few of us still going in to cover the exes..if irish stops and rent isnt froze then no alternative but to close it.

Do you pay business rates?  If not, depending on how it's setup, you might be able to get a one-off £10k grant.

Support for businesses that pay little or no business rates
The government will provide additional Small Business Grant Scheme funding for local authorities to support small businesses that already pay little or no business rates because of small business rate relief (SBBR), rural rate relief (RRR) and tapered relief. This will provide a one-off grant of £10,000 to eligible businesses to help meet their ongoing business costs.

Eligibility
You are eligible if:

your business is based in England
you are a small business and already receive SBBR and/or RRR
you are a business that occupies property

isnt a business as such though.

Ah, then that won't help.

ty anyways.

No problem.

The High Court in London is still open for business,hundreds in the queue to get in.

I saw the title and assumed we were talking about when Thatcher was elected.

I thought the same as salmon.

yes, she pawned our houses

or should I say she empowered the Banks too immortal empowering status(they would have you believe) one more Bank should Run in coming months.

But least of our worries hey?

So when will they stop their own pain? The gossip is that they have been lending to each other?, that would give them the opportunity to put bad eggs in one maybe two baskets, that collapses a new Bank is born and the scam continues? and the people feel the pain? or should we just start anew, wipe out world debt, recognise the social changes that must take place for any very short term future for the young? Aint it deep folks!

Why do people feel the need to bring party politics into this awful situation, i'm not a natural Tory voter but must say i'm stunned that a Tory govt have introduced the most wide ranging measures to protect workers wages to try to keep them in jobs. 80% of wages being payed directly by the govt, who could ever have envisaged that! Yes the Self employed seem to be an anomaly at the moment but possibly this may be addressed soon. Of course it's very difficult to ascertain how much money a lot of those would earn, many will already pay a lot less tax than those on PAYE and are going to be given VAT and tax breaks as well.
I think the govt are doing their very best for people in very troubling times.
The posts from True honcho are just plain ignorant of how this virus is spread, wake up son for all your families sake as well as everyone elses!

I think they govt have played an absolute blinder.
In unprecedented circumstances they aint going to get 100% right.
Yes they have created a situation where the employed who are kept on the books but cant work have financial security (80% of yer wages sat @ home) they will find they are better off financially than they have ever been.
The self employed is an area they have dropped a bollack and needs addressing and will be amazed if this isnt addressed in the next few days.

Personally I dont vote but if there was a general election tommorrow id vote for Boris.
I thought he was a buffoon but clearly not.

Easy to pick out what theyve got wrong but theyve got far more right.

i agree wholeheartedly with SR and geoff...this certainly is not the time to score political points.the irresponsibility of some people is beyond me,thats why if that continues a enforced lockdown may be the only way forward.

I'm a Labour voter but think Govt is doing ok. Unsurprisingly Boris looked like a rabbit in the headlights to start with but is more sure footed now.

Jeremy wouldn't have been a rabbit in the headlights he'd have been road kill by now

We'll never know

thankfully

Not a party political point eh isleham.

Feel free to educate me Stewards. Its a virus and for the vast majority a mild one at that.

the payouts shocked everyone , thatcher will be turning and I doubt even labour would have gone half as far 

my guess , a bribe to silence the herd immunity outcry

sceptical cnt I know cant help it tbh

the weekend after the herd immunity slip up there was a massive surge in public fear in the media , against boris , who at the time disappeared for three days

you started seeing things like genocide and Mengele being thrown at the party leader from a now panicked public who had just witnessed Wuhan and Italy unfold

cue a hastily written statement in sunday tabloid from hancock swiftly denying "herd immunity" or as public seen it the systematic infection of a nation as a strategy to deal with virus , and limit damage to economy long term

its a crisis any party leader would struggle to deal with tbh , but when reflection finally emerges I hope a nation doesn't look back in anger at a slow response for a herd immunity strategy as that's the reality

remember there were direct and indirect warnings from WHO also regarding ban on events/gatherings and social distancing measures being slow to take effect

the phase plan , remember that ? long gone

Well Hello I don't think you are sceptical, it is clear to me that until there is a high level of herd immunity there will always be a high risk. There are no vaccines so healthy people need to get it and get over it asap.

there is a measure of that honcho I agree , other side of scale could have been preventing spread until vaccine or test kit to flag up who had it already were available

but I really don't think the NHS staff or families of vulnerable would tbh , and its far to early to judge


tho it is very interesting almost every conference boris does he mentions "led by the science " or "trusing the science" ...is that a preparation for an out down the line ?

If all vulnerable groups are self isolating now then now is the time for the rest of us to get it. NHS staff are no different, if they are vulnerable they are also self isolating now and not going to work. If the vulnerable are self isolating for 12 weeks than we should have tests available before they come out of self isolation. It will be over a year before a vaccine, the world economy will be absolutely trashed by then and there will be nothing left for young people or children.

there must be around 20 million over 55/60 in the uk

a lot of high risk regarding age , and also we are just assuming everyone else will be fine and also that we know everything about virus

its a helluva risk tbh

The over 55 are not high risk. Even in the over 70 group, healthy people are not high risk. They are at more risk but not high risk. Underlying health conditions are the key risk for people COPD in particular.

Young chap on TV was a marathon runner,very fit and has covid-19, bit of a horror story,liver failing,unable to get breath,doesnt suggest this is exclusive to over 55's.

A confused and fearful public, not surprising, so many take Politicians words on faith? Well, I would think not, I think what we are seeing is the lack of faith in our leaders, the miscommunication thus far is the usual from our top Dogs.

and more to the point from the Media!

honcho none of us should dare make assumptions regarding virus

its stopped the world mate , fair chance it could stop you aswell , stay safe

ive been listening to the NHS staff , folk I know and online also

they realise more than anyone what we are dealing with , the front line


brave brave people

Treetop, healthy people die all the time. I had a friend who ran 1/2 marathons and died of a heart attack a few years ago in his 30's. My dad who was as fit as a flee dropped dead at 49 with a brain tumor. This virus is no more deadly than the flu it is just more contagious because it is new and we have no immunity to it. You either have to accept isolation for people until there is a vaccine or accept that there will be vulnerable people at risk of dying from it.

Absolutely, every one of them worth ten thousand more than most of us. I for one am humbled, true care by those overworked on horrendous shift patterns on a daily basis for peanuts.
Bless them all!

accepting death

surely not , isn't prevention the way forward

The Markets have chosen this time to correct, the pandemic is not to blame just the timing makes sense as Capitalism tries to hide its historic path.

Thats not the society we live in otherwise we would have banned smoking, driving and many dangerous sporting activities such as boxing, racing and motor sports. The NHS would make economic decisions about drugs only ones based on preventing death. For the last 10 years the under investment in the NHS has contributed to the deaths of thousands and most people didn't give a dam.

Do you see the pandemic caused the Depression of 2020 not the city or Banks????? That is what history will say.

Mar 23, 2020 -- 12:58PM, truehoncho wrote:

Thats not the society we live in otherwise we would have banned smoking, driving and many dangerous sporting activities such as boxing, racing and motor sports. The NHS would make economic decisions about drugs only ones based on preventing death. For the last 10 years the under investment in the NHS has contributed to the deaths of thousands and most people didn't give a dam.

No it is our education and upbringing (one of Greed and the search for Euphoria), the changes needed, basically need opposite conceptual thinking, which may not exist other than in Buddhism(no god -no-self), now would be a good time for the thinkers to have their own cobra meeting( curry house shut mind)

We will never eradicate coronovirus any more than we did flu. Every year thousands will die of it for ever. 8000 a year for flu probably the same for this.

i cant do this now , i need to take myself out of the debate

right now it doesn't matter who is right or wrong tbh , all that matters is that we do our bit

both with social distancing

and trying to help others where we can

we will get through it im positive , how long depends on us

stay safe everyone and look forward to renewing hostilities in more settled times

No need listening to NHS staff on the front line hello with all the advice from the real medical experts on here.

yes sparrow , advice that would have you drop your guard and endanger others

Mar 23, 2020 -- 1:04PM, truehoncho wrote:

We will never eradicate coronovirus any more than we did flu. Every year thousands will die of it for ever. 8000 a year for flu probably the same for this.

Boris did say, but then said the opposite two days after? probable after doing the odds on the growth potential of the virus, which is alarming.

No body is giving you any advice only an opinion. Do what t you want I don't care. I live on a farm in Scotland and work for the NHS so now working from home and not having to travel up and down the country every week. Social distancing for me is bliss, I am far better off than I was. I am only pissed off because they cancelled racing but that will be back soon enough.

nice place to be honcho  , keep and eye out for a small settlement of camper vans , mobile communities springing up all over

True honcho jesus you are a right thick, and some of the posts on here are why a huge problem is coming for you lot.

Maybe but I doubt it. The NHS every year is in crisis dealing with the demand for beds for flu patients. This will be no different for ever. You can insult me if you want but it ain't much of an argument.

honcho , your in NHS

any truth in rumour many hospitals taking receipt of very large containers ?

I don't work in a hospital but not that I have heard of.

Have you changed your opinion now Chavman, most self employed will get the same 80% as directly employed, don't know what more you could ask for!