De sousa

Frankie will school these jockeys until he's 90.

not really imo he was aware of what was going on and stayed pretty close to the winner - his horse just didn't quicken like the winner.

completely outridden

Perhaps if your horse is likely to be keen it needs a race with more likely pace?

Exerted more energy horse and rider trying to rein it back....

Frankies horse is a much bigger athletic animal - if both fit he would win most races between them

Horse had been out to Doha in December and run a big race, then 3 weeks ago put in a huge effort to break the course record. Maybe he just ran flat today?

I think the pace and a lack in conviction by De Souza were to blame; Bangkok did not even beat the horse (eventual 2nd) he beat by over 4l previously and broke the track record. Will Dubai Warrior and Bangkok both go for the Easter Classic on 10th April?; 10/11 vs 3/1.

Frankie in another league - no question

Swap jocks same result in that race IMO

Both quality

The winner will not run if it rains - he does not like soft or loose ground, according to Gosden. But, both he and Bangkok will return in Easter; the latter will run here instead of going to Dubai now, said Balding, who added Dettori rode a very good race and we couldn't catch him; 3/1 for a guaranteed run, possibly a different tactic employed on the day against a possible non-runner Dubai Warrior (if it rains).

It's still on synthetic on finals day.

Synthetic or not rain can still make a significant impact on the going otherwise Gosden would not have said that.

Frankie rode a great race on the winner, but you're an idiot if you believe that sds was at fault. My advice is give it up if you can't read a race any better. As stridingedge says, swap jocks same result

looked like the fav wasn't settled properly, so didn't run his race.

I am a fan of SDS on the whole but it did seem that Bangkok remembered him yesterday in a negative way. He raced much more sweetly for Hornby. It could be a case of being better first time out but if he was mine I would try Hornby again. SDS gave Group One Power a very good ride.

No one is disputing the result - the best horse won. Nevertheless, Bangkok could not even beat Court House for 2nd, a horse he beat by an easy 4l the previous time - that says a lot about his run, surely.

I hope Bangkok could be a bit more competitive in April when they meet again (hopefully) or at least beat Court House.

Exactly. He beat Court House easily last time.

Swap the jockeys, same result???? The assumption being that Dettori given the same situation would ride the same impotent, reactive ride

if you swapped the jockeys i'd say it would have been closer. same horse would have won but not by such a margin. ergo dettori > de sousa. that balding horse is awfully overrated though so he's not beating that horse over that distance on that surface no matter who the jock is

Feb 23, 2020 -- 11:47AM, charbar67 wrote:

Swap the jockeys, same result???? The assumption being that Dettori given the same situation would ride the same impotent, reactive ride

utter nonsense.  I watched the race again to check my initial impression. DeSousa was aware of the slow pace and took closer order and then asked his mount to quicken at almost the same time as Dettori and the horse didn't quicken like the winner.

the fact bangkok couldn't even beat court house tells you how good the horse is . i think the winner is very good and may play a part in a big race this year . bangkok isn't gonna win anything major based on that race

dave1357 and if you swapped the jockeys what would have happened?

Sorry Dave, misunderstood the postings, it was charbar67 that I should have taken issue with and he's  obviously talking through his pocket

I still think that Bangkok could still be top class but he clearly has an issue with de Sousa. He sweated up and never really travelled like he did in his previous race.

Driver2 i don’t bet odds on , don’t put enough on to make it worth it, just trying to make the point imho, that given the same conditions, Dettori would’ve rode Bangkok differently to De Sousa and maybe it would’ve made a difference and maybe it wouldn’t but at least connections would have learned something from the race other than we need a pacemaker