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Just not good enough - but I actually watched the dedicated feed on line where I had an interest with the TV turned off and have to say it was quite refreshing. Plenty of paddock shots, no pre race opinions, just pictures of horses and watched the whole race in peace. This could be my future.
So what difference would it have made to have 2 channels? I would have had to miss at least two races completely if not three. On a normal week day I would be happy to miss Irish racing but today it is the best racing.
even a paid employee taking the pish out of hie own company 
sageform - So what difference would it have made to have 2 channels? I would have had to miss at least two races completely if not three. On a normal week day I would be happy to miss Irish racing but today it is the best racing.
I could have chosen which race to watch. I was really interested in the Huntington 13:30 and just about saw the finish but had to rewind and check to be sure.
I could have chosen which race to watch. I was really interested in the Huntington 13:30 and just about saw the finish but had to rewind and check to be sure.
The dedicated feed is different class just choose the meetings you want .
split screens up and coming for days big 2 races,
What a surprise. The Durkan taking preference. It should now be called Racing Ireland (UK if time allows) I should have known that when they changed the name, the 4 million would have preference over 60.
they should get someone to mash up the commentaries
What a pigs ear. UK & Irish planners should be congratulated, why is Punchestown running so late?
Been on the site and chose Punchestown but nothing happened. Does it only work on Android?
Some great race planning today.
Wasn't it possible to start a bit earlier & have 10 minute gaps??
Wasn't it possible to start a bit earlier & have 10 minute gaps??
delay in Ireland because percy wanted to go to weighing room to see if davey was ok,
Some will still say they prefer this to a 7 second delay.
message from ruk anyone wanting round up of 2 big races tune into bbc,s cefax services,
You couldn't have such a shambles unless you were organising a p!ss up in a brewery.
ruk apologise for those waiting for camel racing results from outer Mongolia,
Sageform
Ironically the site has been up and down all day normally it’s very good
Ironically the site has been up and down all day normally it’s very good
I hope there is nobody on here who thought it was a good idea to switch Irish racing to Racing TV.
The problems were inevitable and were pointed out at the time.
Anyone can see that today has been a disaster. Not good for the viewer, not good for racing but it is what greedy racecourses wanted.
The problems were inevitable and were pointed out at the time.
Anyone can see that today has been a disaster. Not good for the viewer, not good for racing but it is what greedy racecourses wanted.
You cannot even say its the British & Irish racing not getting together to avoid a clash, Cork could not even wait for Punchestown to finish ffs !
top notch getting not a nano second of coverage for winning the days big race
2.15 and counting for days biggest race, result to appear on ruk,
ruk suggest any subscribers wanting full and updated results tune in to ATR
You can't get staff on Sundays you know. Now we have the sun coming out. Who ever would have guessed?
This was always going to happen, how is anyone surprised?
pumphol, Irish racing never waits for anything. Start time must be sacrosanct to the starters.
You don't have to be surprised to be pig sick of it.
not surprised but subscribers paying for 3 people at punch,2 at hunt and 1 kelso to give us about a 100 words between them in 3 hrs,could have laid them all off and have 1 man in studio
2 page spread in the r post today, watch every race live today from cork, huntingdon, kelso and punchestown.
and s full page with a headline, jumping for joy and a picture of davy russell.
davy has a lot to answer for.
and s full page with a headline, jumping for joy and a picture of davy russell.
davy has a lot to answer for.
I subscribe to a US channel to watch their racing. They have separate channels for every track. It costs about £12 a month.
The coverage is the tracks' live feeds and the picture quality is excellent.
Why oh why can't (won't ) the racing channels here do the same?
The coverage is the tracks' live feeds and the picture quality is excellent.
Why oh why can't (won't ) the racing channels here do the same?
Arghhhh. At last an uninterrupted race, I backed Wild West Wind earlier at only 5, then again at 11, watched it cruise through the race while drifting out to 14 and then go clear. But wait, there is a horse on the outside that is not covered by the camera that wins! At least I laid nearly all of it off.
Raggrain......which is the USA channel you subscribe to please ?
good news is saves neessom telling us why known should hsave been fav,
you wait all year for a decent day of sunday racing and ruk manage to destroy it, ,
if its all about advertising,exposure peterborough might as well go back to midweek
,if its all about advertising,exposure peterborough might as well go back to midweek
Fair play to Punchestown as it must be hard to ensure that you feck it up all afternoon.
Must be disappointed that the Peterborough finshed a minute before the Durkan , we could have the two big races on split screen crossing the line together .......shambolic .
longest discussion,in depth look at the flapping bumper at huntington
I wish the Peterborough chase did go back to midweek along with many other graded races
Great winter afternoons onlooker and huge crowds all there for the racing with a drink after racing
if when you can get a full screen shouty man blabs on about exactly foooking nothing to delay going to commentary,
split screen there had horses at punch looking like they were running down to fences at cork
split screen there had horses at punch looking like they were running down to fences at cork
Yesterday I was in the private room provided by racing tv at Aintree unbelievably they only shown Sandown and Aintree I had to use a tablet to watch Navan.
Mind you, I can remember when a big screen on course was a big novelty and in a betting shop you got the blower commentary that was probably 30 seconds delay. Getting any info from one course when you were attending another was unheard of and no internet. Checked my bets in the next day newspaper.
That’s correct sageform I hadn’t really noticed that but definitely not shown in there.
At least with the blower every horse you backed ran well.
In the days before On-Course Betting Shops ... You had to go into the Tote Investors Office. 
But had to be a Member - and have an Account (Number) with them.
But had to be a Member - and have an Account (Number) with them.
They were always very warm ,once your account ended in z you were tote prices only.
How have they not managed to get back to their correct race time all afternoon ?
the greatest concern was why ruk should have presenters at three tracks when there was never going to be time for any build up..racing profits going into the gravy train pockets
it does seem pointless to send so many presenters to each racecourse when their thoughts aren't even offered bar the odd comment because of restricted time
wonder how much they get paid for each gig ... as former jockeys retire we seem to end up with more & more of these pundits ... anyone aware of any published profits for Racing TV?
wonder how much they get paid for each gig ... as former jockeys retire we seem to end up with more & more of these pundits ... anyone aware of any published profits for Racing TV?
saw that Gordon broooone at haddock,aintree yesterday behind the scenes ,presentation,s trophie,s etc ,who,s paying him besides ruk
Tote credit offices are sadly missed. I spent most of the time between races in one when I was racing 2 or 3 days a week but since they closed them I have hardly ever been back. Best source of info on a racecourse.
i agree totally with most on here . today was a tv farce . please , please get racing tv and courses together to sort this out . the coverage was amateurish, sold the product badly on a day after carry on sandown too . makes var look good . sorry , didn't switch to sky . chariot racing from dieppe by any chance ?
Chances of it even being a Talking Point on Snooty On Sunday? Million?
Media rights chair O'Neill 'very disappointed' as Durkan coverage suffers on RTV
Min won Sunday's John Durkan but the race had to be shown on a split screen alongside the Peterborough Chase on RTV
Min won Sunday's John Durkan but the race had to be shown on a split screen alongside the Peterborough Chase on RTV
Patrick McCann
1 of 1
By Richard Forristal
UPDATED 8:18PM, DEC 8 2019
Conor O’Neill, general manager of Punchestown racecourse and also chairman of Horse Racing Ireland’s media rights committee, on Sunday admitted to being “very disappointed” that the John Durkan Memorial Chase was broadcast on a split screen with no commentary in the early stages.
Following Irish racing’s switch to Racing TV after Racecourse Media Group acquired the rights from SIS in a deal that began on January 1, split-screen coverage is an issue that has become exacerbated due to the volume of tracks now on RTV’s roster.
Given that Irish racecourses are budgeting for a ten per cent drop in media rights revenue for 2020 due to weak sterling and the closure of around 2,300 betting shops in Britain after a reduction in maximum FOBT stakes, the manner in which even elite Irish races are treated as second-class contests alongside lesser-quality British races on RTV has done nothing to defuse frustration at the situation.
Conor Heaphy
@heaph93
So to watch back the john durkan today on rtv online there’s a split screen with huntingdon and then cork. Why aren’t they using their dedicated feed? Shocking @RacingTV
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16:46 - 8 Dec 2019
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The split-screen problem was evident on Saturday, when races at Navan shared the screen at different times with events at Aintree and Wetherby, and viewers’ simmering anger was palpable on social media on Sunday, when Punchestown’s Grade 1 and the Peterborough Chase had to share the screen, with no commentary audible for the Irish race save for the final 40 seconds.
The scheduled off times for the first three Punchestown races were delayed by two minutes at the request of SIS. When Davy Russell was taken ill shortly before the third race after weighing out, his replacement Jack Kennedy had to weigh out afresh, meaning the subsequent feature event eventually went off 11 minutes late at 2.01pm, 18 seconds after the Peterborough started.
Consequently, the climax of the Durkan had to share the screen with pictures from the 2.05pm at Cork.
“It's very unfortunate and very disappointing, and the Durkan family are fantastic supporters of racing and of Punchestown, but at the same time these things happen,” O’Neill said in reference to the race sponsor when informed of the reduced commentary and split screen.
“We can appreciate how it has occurred but from Punchestown's perspective it is very disappointing.”
O’Neill is also chairman of the Association of Irish Racecourses, which ultimately ceded control of the rights to SIS when the new deal was agreed in 2016. Of the absence of commentary for much of the Durkan, he added: “It's an ongoing issue that we're in discussions over and we'll have to look into it. It's not ideal.”
derek sims
@delboysims
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Replying to @RacingTV
Very poor today give Irish racing back to ATR Grade one race with no sound
jonathan pack
@jonopack
£24 a month and forced to watch the John durkhan on mute with half a screen till on the way down to the last. even clashed with cork. Surely time to introduce Rtv ire or rtv 2.Yeah the winter season ticket is good and the club days etc but this is getting beyond a joke.Rant over
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16:02 - 8 Dec 2019 · Sandiacre, England
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The drop in media rights revenues for 2020 has been forecast for some time. With 18 fixtures a year, and each race worth approximately €7,000, for a track like Punchestown the total income from media rights would be in the region of €1 million, so a ten per cent reduction could cost around €100,000. An increase in the revenue received for streaming rights is expected, but not so much that it will negate the reduction from betting shops.
Explaining the background to the issue, O’Neill said: “Within the current media rights contract there are a couple of variables, one being the sterling exchange rate and the other being the betting shop numbers. With Brexit, the sterling rate has fluctuated quite significantly over recent months and the betting shops, after the FOBT limits were cut, have reduced in number, so those two variables impact on the LBO [betting shop] element of the revenue tracks receive from media rights.
"Racecourses' reliance on media rights is hugely significant, so losing ten per cent would obviously mean you have to adjust budgets and spend. It puts the emphasis on racecourses to increase additional revenue streams and look to attract more people through the gate to take the reliance off that."
Responding to the issues on Sunday, a Racing TV spokesman said: “It was obviously very unfortunate that Davy Russell was taken ill prior to the John Durkan and we wish him all the very best. The episode triggered a ten-minute delay to the feature race which meant it started after the feature race in Britain, the Fitzdares Peterborough Chase, was already under way.
"Unfortunately, we are always at the mercy of unforeseen delays in horseracing, but we will review Sunday’s output and the processes in place and will continue close dialogue with the BHA, HRI and the racecourses about the planning and management of race times to improve the scheduling of UK and Irish racing.
"Good progress has been made this year on that front but there’s always more that can be done.”
Min won Sunday's John Durkan but the race had to be shown on a split screen alongside the Peterborough Chase on RTV
Min won Sunday's John Durkan but the race had to be shown on a split screen alongside the Peterborough Chase on RTV
Patrick McCann
1 of 1
By Richard Forristal
UPDATED 8:18PM, DEC 8 2019
Conor O’Neill, general manager of Punchestown racecourse and also chairman of Horse Racing Ireland’s media rights committee, on Sunday admitted to being “very disappointed” that the John Durkan Memorial Chase was broadcast on a split screen with no commentary in the early stages.
Following Irish racing’s switch to Racing TV after Racecourse Media Group acquired the rights from SIS in a deal that began on January 1, split-screen coverage is an issue that has become exacerbated due to the volume of tracks now on RTV’s roster.
Given that Irish racecourses are budgeting for a ten per cent drop in media rights revenue for 2020 due to weak sterling and the closure of around 2,300 betting shops in Britain after a reduction in maximum FOBT stakes, the manner in which even elite Irish races are treated as second-class contests alongside lesser-quality British races on RTV has done nothing to defuse frustration at the situation.
Conor Heaphy
@heaph93
So to watch back the john durkan today on rtv online there’s a split screen with huntingdon and then cork. Why aren’t they using their dedicated feed? Shocking @RacingTV
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16:46 - 8 Dec 2019
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The split-screen problem was evident on Saturday, when races at Navan shared the screen at different times with events at Aintree and Wetherby, and viewers’ simmering anger was palpable on social media on Sunday, when Punchestown’s Grade 1 and the Peterborough Chase had to share the screen, with no commentary audible for the Irish race save for the final 40 seconds.
The scheduled off times for the first three Punchestown races were delayed by two minutes at the request of SIS. When Davy Russell was taken ill shortly before the third race after weighing out, his replacement Jack Kennedy had to weigh out afresh, meaning the subsequent feature event eventually went off 11 minutes late at 2.01pm, 18 seconds after the Peterborough started.
Consequently, the climax of the Durkan had to share the screen with pictures from the 2.05pm at Cork.
“It's very unfortunate and very disappointing, and the Durkan family are fantastic supporters of racing and of Punchestown, but at the same time these things happen,” O’Neill said in reference to the race sponsor when informed of the reduced commentary and split screen.
“We can appreciate how it has occurred but from Punchestown's perspective it is very disappointing.”
O’Neill is also chairman of the Association of Irish Racecourses, which ultimately ceded control of the rights to SIS when the new deal was agreed in 2016. Of the absence of commentary for much of the Durkan, he added: “It's an ongoing issue that we're in discussions over and we'll have to look into it. It's not ideal.”
derek sims
@delboysims
· 6h
Replying to @RacingTV
Very poor today give Irish racing back to ATR Grade one race with no sound
jonathan pack
@jonopack
£24 a month and forced to watch the John durkhan on mute with half a screen till on the way down to the last. even clashed with cork. Surely time to introduce Rtv ire or rtv 2.Yeah the winter season ticket is good and the club days etc but this is getting beyond a joke.Rant over
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16:02 - 8 Dec 2019 · Sandiacre, England
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The drop in media rights revenues for 2020 has been forecast for some time. With 18 fixtures a year, and each race worth approximately €7,000, for a track like Punchestown the total income from media rights would be in the region of €1 million, so a ten per cent reduction could cost around €100,000. An increase in the revenue received for streaming rights is expected, but not so much that it will negate the reduction from betting shops.
Explaining the background to the issue, O’Neill said: “Within the current media rights contract there are a couple of variables, one being the sterling exchange rate and the other being the betting shop numbers. With Brexit, the sterling rate has fluctuated quite significantly over recent months and the betting shops, after the FOBT limits were cut, have reduced in number, so those two variables impact on the LBO [betting shop] element of the revenue tracks receive from media rights.
"Racecourses' reliance on media rights is hugely significant, so losing ten per cent would obviously mean you have to adjust budgets and spend. It puts the emphasis on racecourses to increase additional revenue streams and look to attract more people through the gate to take the reliance off that."
Responding to the issues on Sunday, a Racing TV spokesman said: “It was obviously very unfortunate that Davy Russell was taken ill prior to the John Durkan and we wish him all the very best. The episode triggered a ten-minute delay to the feature race which meant it started after the feature race in Britain, the Fitzdares Peterborough Chase, was already under way.
"Unfortunately, we are always at the mercy of unforeseen delays in horseracing, but we will review Sunday’s output and the processes in place and will continue close dialogue with the BHA, HRI and the racecourses about the planning and management of race times to improve the scheduling of UK and Irish racing.
"Good progress has been made this year on that front but there’s always more that can be done.”
The yellow flag debacle followed by the split screen debacle.
Conor O’Neill, general manager of Punchestown racecourse and also chairman of Horse Racing Ireland’s media rights committee, on Sunday admitted to being “very disappointed” that the John Durkan Memorial Chase was broadcast on a split screen with no commentary in the early stages.
Let's not mention it went off 11 minutes 30 seconds after its scheduled off time.
Let's not mention it went off 11 minutes 30 seconds after its scheduled off time.
According to Conor O'Neill it was SIS who requested the 11 minute delay.
They requested a 2 minute delay...the rest was down to Davy Russell being unwell.
Did they seriously believe that a UK based company would give priority to an Irish race that was 11 minutes late! It was Irelands decision to switch from ATR.
This was a complete debacle that was always going to happen. Just a question of how many times?
The imbalance between the two channels is ridiculous.
It is an bigger scandal that Virgin Media subscribers don't get the same benefits as everyone else. What is the excuse for that?
The imbalance between the two channels is ridiculous.
It is an bigger scandal that Virgin Media subscribers don't get the same benefits as everyone else. What is the excuse for that?
where are all the morons who were saying split screens won't be an issue?
just buy a bigger TV they said
just buy a bigger TV they said
and what irish racing thought they were doing switching to RUK I have no idea, 1 of the worst decisions irish racing has ever made
Racing TV's response on Twitter to use their Digital Extra Channel on-line is laughable, especially if one is a Virgin Media viewer with no access to it.
Correct - NO Extra Channel available on/via Virgin Cable TV.
Yesterday was an absolute mess. Delays happen but it appeared no attempt was made to catch up. Regardless of what channel the Irish racing was on, Cork were not waiting on Punchestown.
Conor O’Neill needs to be questioned on his various roles, not be allowed to chuck out a few meaningless sentences from "Punchestown's perspective" about the big race only.
Conor O’Neill needs to be questioned on his various roles, not be allowed to chuck out a few meaningless sentences from "Punchestown's perspective" about the big race only.
Dec 9, 2019 -- 2:46PM, jmdc wrote:
Racing TV's response on Twitter to use their Digital Extra Channel on-line is laughable, especially if one is a Virgin Media viewer with no access to it.
quite simply not good enough
There's no doubt that the split screen situation is even worse than many of us predicted. I never expected it to happen on a Sunday.
How come the gap between races at all 4 courses was only 30 minutes all day?
First race was at 12.15 and the last at 15.35 so a bit of leeway there.
First race was at 12.15 and the last at 15.35 so a bit of leeway there.
Two questions
Can you not get the dedicated channel on virgin
Why do so many say it’s the worst thing for Irish racing
Can you not get the dedicated channel on virgin
Why do so many say it’s the worst thing for Irish racing
foxy,Irish racing was a "free" channel (Included in sports package) and available everywhere,now it's a pay per view which is always going to deter the casual viewer of which there were many,also ATR went big on Irish racing with on site people (camera crew with Presenters etc) whereas now it's almost an afterthought on Racing TV.
I very happy with the coverage on racingtv punchestown obviously yesterday’s coverage wasn’t idea but nobody died it was just one of those things ,I mainly watch the dedicated channel which suits me ironically yesterday there was problems with that although thankfully it was back up in time for me to watch the hilly way chase without interruption.
Which is why I ask about virgin it is now in our area and I was considering changing but no chance if it doesn’t allow me to watch the meeting of my choice,
^ Racing TV will no doubt be delighted with the above. At least one person was happy.
Just one of those things? How anyone could see Sunday as anything other than a disaster is beyond me.
Can anyone copy Noel Meade's (who was against the original switch) Racing Post comments?
Just one of those things? How anyone could see Sunday as anything other than a disaster is beyond me.
Can anyone copy Noel Meade's (who was against the original switch) Racing Post comments?
Where did I say I was happy about Sunday ?
I said Sunday wasn’t ideal ,on the whole I am very happy with racing tv I get to see all the best racing other than royal ascot which I go to for the week anyway,replays when ever I want,I can choose to watch which ever meeting I wish to live from the course,many free days racing throughout the year including many over the winter period which really suits me,on Saturday at Aintree I received complementary tea,coffee,cookies and a race card ,they have by a million miles the best racing pundit there has ever been and all that for less than a score a month,yes Sunday wasn’t ideal the borders national took over 9 minutes to race delays everywhere it happens,I will not let it spoil the rest of my life,yes I am very happy with racing tv.
Regarding Noel meades views I would fully respect them and he would have a much better idea than me on its effect on Irish racing.
I said Sunday wasn’t ideal ,on the whole I am very happy with racing tv I get to see all the best racing other than royal ascot which I go to for the week anyway,replays when ever I want,I can choose to watch which ever meeting I wish to live from the course,many free days racing throughout the year including many over the winter period which really suits me,on Saturday at Aintree I received complementary tea,coffee,cookies and a race card ,they have by a million miles the best racing pundit there has ever been and all that for less than a score a month,yes Sunday wasn’t ideal the borders national took over 9 minutes to race delays everywhere it happens,I will not let it spoil the rest of my life,yes I am very happy with racing tv.
Regarding Noel meades views I would fully respect them and he would have a much better idea than me on its effect on Irish racing.
Apparently Meade labelled Sunday's coverage as a disaster yet in January he was talking a little bit different to that.
"Leading trainers Noel Meade and Ger Lyons have called for patience and urged racing fans not to view the new-look Racing TV too harshly following the channel’s opening broadcast of Irish racing on New Year’s Day.
RTV, the new home of Irish racing, showed Fairyhouse and Tramore as well as four meetings in Britain, which meant a lot of the Irish action was shown on a split screen and the start of some races missed completely.
That was inevitable given the busy schedule, according to Lyons and Meade, who believe only in the fullness of time can the move from At The Races to RTV be properly dissected".
"Leading trainers Noel Meade and Ger Lyons have called for patience and urged racing fans not to view the new-look Racing TV too harshly following the channel’s opening broadcast of Irish racing on New Year’s Day.
RTV, the new home of Irish racing, showed Fairyhouse and Tramore as well as four meetings in Britain, which meant a lot of the Irish action was shown on a split screen and the start of some races missed completely.
That was inevitable given the busy schedule, according to Lyons and Meade, who believe only in the fullness of time can the move from At The Races to RTV be properly dissected".
I don't think I've enjoyed a day of racing with less than I did on Sunday. Just couldn't get involved as racing merged into one awful mess. For a reasonable good 4 card race day, I can only think turnover was way down. Two Racing channels whereby on busy days (Ireland and UK are on own channels) should be a must for the benefit of paying customers and the industry in general.
What amazes me is how so many people could not see what was obvious to most racing fans.
I haven't got the quotes but pretty sure that Meade was one of the figures who initially expressed concerns about the switch.
Basically, in the quote above he is only saying let's see what happens. He has done that and perfectly reasonably declared it a disaster.
Basically, in the quote above he is only saying let's see what happens. He has done that and perfectly reasonably declared it a disaster.
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