ts on friday

standouts
platinum star 5/2 bf
trevelyn's corn 5/1 bf
major partnership 12/1 bf
shine so bright 9/4 bf

g delamere
mustashry, limato
quadrilateral, cayenne pepper

p kealy
flaming princess
firmament
powerful breeze
trueshan
kiefer

graceful magic out, so 5/2 platinum star

nr chep 2.05 as well

Cheers Ash

no 14/1 rhythmic intent in my freds and no n/r  , does quote 14s in r post

naughty Fred

yes, no 14/1 and it never was,happening regularly in the p/wise box, and no prices in fred's adverts anymore.

Well, let's face it, thatt wat Fred is getting to know the price wise selections in advance, amending the ones he is happy to guarantee being bottom price about.

And when he makes a rick, all of a sudden the price isn't guaranteed any more.

A 'pricewise' joke

Andrew  v  Gerald 

Sorry Gerald but laid yours

Well  Done  Gerald 

hamish 9/4 group horse in a hcp.

Ash,was there a R4 for NR?

which race?

Hamish 9/4 early price with Fred.El Misk NR.

not 100% certain, it was 14/1  when withdrawn around 11.15, therefore 5p rule 4, dont know the price of that horse between 9.00 and 9.15 though, but i would think similar so yes 5p,

Think it may have been 18s. Do Fred calculate R4 at time of placement or withdrawal?

Think it may have been 18s. Do Fred calculate R4 at time of placement or withdrawal?

at time of placement, this was discussed 2 weeks ago  when earthlight won the middle park, fred went 3/1 on him in the morning and siskin was around 9/2, siskin was backed before the off before being a nr , hed come down to around 11/4. Anyway a lot had a £100 on at 3/1 and fred deducted 20p in the pound giving us £340 in full, hed used time of withdrawel, we checked his rules and clearly states , rule 4 is time of placement, i and others rang cust service and they agreed and added £15 to the winnings.
i,ll try and find the thread for you.

its on ts on saturday 28/09/19
elisjohn • September 29, 2019 9:22 AM BST
from betfred rules
For clarity, should there be a withdrawn horse the following will apply. Any bets accepted where an ‘early price’ has been selected, the total deduction will apply to the original market price of the withdrawn selection at the time of bet acceptance, which may differ from the actual price of the withdrawn selection at the time of withdrawal.

would think it will be a 5p rule 4.

Just spoke to Fred. They had applied R4 but agreed it is incorrect and will get shop to change it.Thanks for you help.

Just spoke to Fred. They had applied R4 but agreed it is incorrect and will get shop to change it.Thanks for you help.

so what there is no rule 4, less fuss ?

No,but only on correction.R4 originally applied wrongly again. Not good!

this looks like sharp practise by fred then, wonder if you take a morning price and a nr which gets backed he deducts from time of withdrawn, and if the nr drifts then he deducts from time of placement.
definetly then from earthlight 2 weeks ago and today when horse shortens he uses time at withdrawn, this should really be looked into

Yep. I agree .They will get away with it more often then not.
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just checked on oddschecker, el misk was out to 18/1 at 8-28am with bf, and that's the price it stayed until taken out. he cannot apply rule 4.

my returns on £50 win 9/4 9.00 am , is £156.88 , yes taken 5p, this is cheating

Good work,guys.

dont know if its happening online,