Enable 4-5...I am laying for plenty anybody else?

weaver "biggest upset we have ever witnessed"

where do they get them from?

a bridge too far..beaten by a 5yo plater in a dire race..c'est la vie

what a trainer this fabre is

well done ACEY

Great horse, achieved everything in the sport, 2 arcs

Retire it and give its deserved rest

well done acey.

racingblogger will be in meltdown.

alex hammond enable "hasn't lost"

Sweating like a pig in the last furlong Charlton.

Well done to winners.  I should have greened out.

Anyone know what odds the 2nd went to please?

Alex Hammond needs retiring as well

Some of them are frigging ridiculous

It came 2nd duck, it didn't win

Outstayed.

But the time to be in front is on the line.

she pretty much got across and ran her race, looked all but home, maybe just tired but think the winner took it on merit

Anyone know what odds the 2nd went to please?

1.06

wonder if people still think she is better than frankel?

Just not to be; trainer reckoned the ground in the last 1/2f did her in. But, Waldgeist deserved it.

I always remember what the top yank trainer said when aeroplane beat his monster.

Each championship races takes its toll. I hope they retire her now.

A furlong out only one winner

Another success for Galileo

acey deucy
06 Oct 19 15:14
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Sweating like a pig in the last furlong Charlton.

Spare a thought for Glentoby….Done his fackin Conkers.

Thank you Shafter, she looked home and hoesed.

Fred knew evens yesterday

4 5-y-0 favs in 6 years. 2 odds on. all beaten.

well done layers

Oct 6, 2019 -- 9:18AM, acey deucy wrote:

Spare a thought for Glentoby….Done his fackin Conkers.

WD acey,don't worry about glen's conkers the horsechestnet trees are due to shed any time soon.

could have been worse

*nut

Will the EU give us a deal now we've let them win the Arc?

the hyperbole from these pundits is puke inducing

To many hard races this year took its toll went to the well once to often this year and paid the price

Jesus lads how exciting was that i still cant believe Enable got beat looked a Cert with a Furlong to run.

through magical/japan(crystal ocean) that was one of her best runs, ok not through the winner, but the winner might have beaten her last year with a clear run

Commentators using every excuse for the horse but she ran her race so nobody can be overly disappointed ... good performance on the ground but outstayed by something better on the day

Enable was too short to back and too good to oppose for me. I never really looked at the market in the last week but staggered to se that Waldgeist was 20/1. Just 2 lengths behind Enable at Ascot and on soft ground, the only 2 5yos were first and second.

If ever their was a case for fake media it was the build up this race !!!

Oct 6, 2019 -- 9:15AM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

Alex Hammond needs retiring as wellSome of them are frigging ridiculous It came 2nd duck, it didn't win

a pathetic attempt at plugging the narrative of the day irrespective of the result

totally nauseating

johnnythebull
06 Oct 19 15:23
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the hyperbole from these pundits is puke inducing

and they lose money on the back of it. prob best to watch with the sound down. always works for me betting on boxing.

Oct 6, 2019 -- 9:23AM, johnnythebull wrote:

the hyperbole from these pundits is puke inducing

100% agree

Frankie saw the 2 3yo's coming and asked her to go and win her race but Waldgeist had bided his time.

will be backing the 3rd next year if bit better ground

BAMOS layers! How many EXCUSES from the Gosden/Enable camp?

jg and teddy grimshaw fantastic in interviews after losing, but nothing from frankie, just shows everything about him,

Why is everyone so surprised at the hype of a British horse trying to win 3 Arcs in a row which had never been done before?

but nothing from frankie, just shows everything about him,


Probably wondering about the tactics.

Anybody on TV giving any credit to PC Boudot ... thought he gave the winner an explempary ride

Actually geordie it was the only ride he could give if he wanted to involved in the finish.
He was at it from quite a way out, and only won because Enable was tying up in front.

i thought he made a winning decision going outside, the horse was looking at the gap between 3rd & 4th and he checked it to the outer, I agree with Geordie it made the difference

Glen are you ok pal?....Don't forget to pop in.

Im sure anyone who backed enable would had a 1.10 lay up in running.

Looking back perhaps the ground beat her. She's beat the two 3 Yr old Colts.

Well done Acey, me too

you went against the grain , so y deserve a very well done

Yeah well done to you to olias.

Thank's Kemo.

Yes i agree Diff - the ground and the pace.
Last year in the Arc she weakened near the finish but held on.

I bet they wish they'd held on to her a bit longer today before they went to the front.

elise i thought he made a winning decision going outside, the horse was looking at the gap between 3rd & 4th and he checked it to the outer, I agree with Geordie it made the difference

I agree as well. Horses on the rail have been getting caught by late finishers out wide both days at Longchamp and slightly surprised Dettori wasn't switched on to that as he has been riding tracks brilliantly all year. That Boudot chap rode several great races this meeting.

The hype was ridiculous as was the price given how Longchamp can be when the ground gets heavy like that.

Frankie stayed wider himself on Anapurna but did they move the rail for Sunday?

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Cut out the bull-shyte boys...Enable wins easy tomorrow...you don't often get chances like this to make 80% or so .....so easily. Lump on and have no regrets afterwards.

Men in white coats have been called for those laying....

Not the best named poster imo!

Signals coming through to the Prophet got mixed up in spiritual cyberspace

johnnythebull06 Oct 19 15:13Joined: 19 Mar 14 | Topic/replies: 22,043 | Blogger: johnnythebull's blog
a bridge too far..beaten by a 5yo plater in a dire race..c'est la vie

Crikey, i thought i'd seen some nonsense written on here over the years, but this takes the Biscuit!

Waldgeist only won the G1 Criterium De St Cloud as a 2 yo beating the following seasons English and Irish Derby Winners, The St Leger winner, 3 times G1 winning Best Solution and even The Melbourne Cup winner.
As a 3 yo btn sh/hd in the Prix Du Jockey Club, horse has never been at his best when travelling abroad but has been virtually unbeatable on home turf since, only btn over 1m 2fs on heavy at St Cloud on 4yo debut run, was never going to have a hard race on that ground and except for his unlucky run in last years Arc when not getting a clear run has been unbeaten over 12fs at Longchamp and Chantilly!

Get a sense of perspective fella, beaten by an equally great horse on the day imo.

Enable didn't get home
Who else is to blame for that except Dettori?

He was going better than the rest and Dettori couldn't get him in front soon enough.
If fact he was in front earlier than last year when he didn't get home then, but managed to hang on.   

The winner had to switch to the outside for a clear passage by the way, and didn't have the pace to get to the front sooner if he'd wanted to, so no master plan there either.

Oct 7, 2019 -- 5:05AM, Dr Crippen wrote:

Enable didn't get homeWho else is to blame for that except Dettori?He was going better than the rest and Dettori couldn't get him in front soon enough. If fact he was in front earlier than last year when he didn't get home then, but managed to hang on.   The winner had to switch to the outside for a clear passage by the way, and didn't have the pace to get to the front sooner if he'd wanted to, so no master plan there either.

It certainly looked that way and this adds credence to your assertions Dr C;

https://www.racingpost.com/news/arc-day-reports/sectional-review-final-splits-set-relentless-waldgeist-apart/403071

She also was not as good as some in the media had postulated; lucky to win 2 ARC's against weak oppositions, but great race management by Gosden until (yesterday) because of heavy ground.

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I don't know what happened there.

Too much bubbles courtesy of Enable. I bet you thought she'd win after kicking (clear) for a short moment.

I still cant believe she got beat impossible, looked home for all money.

There is a God.

I thought you had good musical taste then Acey!
Then i got down the bottom and came to Boy George,Brother Beyond and the Spice Girls!

I didn't...she did not exactly pull away from Sottsass and Japan after taking it up. And, when I saw Waldgeist coming up the centre of the track and passing Sottsass and Japan I knew he'd get past Enable.

There is a GOD (indeed) on the side of the bookies; I did lay her to win £50.

Downloading the Popmaster Quiz stew.

I mean this is why we love the game...What a buzz.

Last year she chinned me on Sea Of Class, this year Waldgeist did the "honour". I think Gosden would have scratched her had it not been The Arc or 3rd successive Arc win attempt. Anyway. well done to backers of Waldgeist, and Happy Retirement Waldgeist (I'm only pre-empting)

I don’t think we need to rush to play down her achievements. Very very few of them can do what she has done.

The ground cost her the race as well as the pace.

I would like to see her again but I expect it is unlikely, for all that she deserves to go out on a high.

ENABLE is rated about 128 which looks about right.

Not heavy ground time ..just over a second above standard

I think the mare deserves the utmost credit and respect for never ducking a challenge and running and winning all the right races. If they continually run in the best races then eventually they will get beat.

I believe the other races on the day were a lot slower compared to standard than the Arc, Portman.

Which ties in with Enable stopping. I am loathe to glower at Frankie, but on reflection I think he could have held on to her. Even in the early part of the race he was rushing her up a bit, although the actions of others didn’t help him.

born...…….the other times are irrelevant ..times don't lie

you judge times on the faster times not the slowest

johnnythebull06 Oct 19 15:13Joined: 19 Mar 14 | Topic/replies: 22,043 | Blogger: johnnythebull's blog
a bridge too far..beaten by a 5yo plater in a dire race..c'est la vie

Crikey, i thought i'd seen some nonsense written on here over the years, but this takes the Biscuit!LaughLaugh

i will concede i was being overly flippant..stew..but that was not a high class field and Waldgeist is certainly not a great and i wouldn't label Enable such either for all her palmares reads impressively

all about opinion at the end of the day

It is indeed johnny, although i do think it was a good field and think the 1st and 2nd are two very good horses.

Enable's a truly admirable mare..her longevity at the top is pretty awesome really but she just lacks the wow factor for me

i just remember some of the scintillating Arc winners albeit their star may not have shone for so long

and the stronger fields of yore

you judge times on the faster times not the slowest


So times don't lie, except all the other slow times.

It has been highlighted by many 'experts' that it was a fast run affair in the conditions.

The pace certainly caught Dettori out.

If a lesser jockey had given a fancied horse a ride like that knowing how he tied up last year, he'd find he wouldn't be riding many fancied horses again for a long time.

all about opinions, and i reckon that was one of enables best performances in europe , i know sounds silly after losing

I think you're right john. I will always believe she was best on good/good to firm and stayed a mile and a half extremely well but still had the class to win the Eclipse.  Waldgeist loved the ground and got the best ride on the day. Was she anywhere near as good as STS and many others ? No.

Ryan moore doing his old tricks on Japan at the back had no chance from there did well to finish 4th

^Ridden for a place.

i did question if in a race of that magnitude they had a eye on another future race it was a strange ride, but ryan has been terrible this season tactics have been strange

I do not think Japan fancied heavy going (neither Sottsass) as much as Waldgeist otherwise he'd have been the winner - Waldgeist came from further back than Japan. The ground certainly was a major factor in the defeat of Enable; the draw too; Dettori could have held onto Enable a wee bit longer given the manner Enable just lasted home last year with the benefit of hindsight. And, if Waldgeist had not been running Enable would have been lauded the best Arc winner since Dancing Brave, and surpass Sea The Stars (perhaps).

Japan is presently fav for the Champion Stakes, but will he meet Sottsass again? Very interesting if so - the battle for the best 3yr old.

You don't always get the ground your horse prefers ...on that ground the other day (whether it was soft / heavy is irrelevant)
The best horse won on Sunday .. it doesn't detract what Enable has achieved in terms of Gp1 wins and the esteem of the races won
We want the best horses to run more frequently than they often do so the even great ones can be beaten on a given day if they run often enough ... I hope she runs in the Breeders Cup and wins ... lets see

Dettori shouldn't feel too bad about it, even Piggott lost an Ark through a poor ride.

He was a cert on Nijinsky but still managed to get it beat.

These top jockeys aren't the legends they're made out to be.

I think some people are being far to hard on Frankie he knows Enable like the back of his hand...The ride looked good to me and i certainly would not be complaining if I had backed it.

You can talk,...you 'laid' Enable!

Dettori (with hindsight) ought to have held on to Enable a wee-bit longer given last year. Maybe he ought not to have rushed Enable to take up a decent position so early in the race from a disadvantaged draw too. No doubt if Dettori could ride the race again he'd do one or two things differently.

Water on the track cost Enable (Gosden/Dettori) the race similarly, Golden Horn (Gosden/Dettori)in the Breeders Cup. No worries, it's only horse racing...there's always next year.

Don't know why people are criticising Frankie, rode virtually the same race as when successful previous 2 years, the 3rd/4th horses didn't close on him until Frankie eased off when Waldgeist went past, btn by a better horse on the day. Why do people always look for someone to blame?

Dr Crippen • October 8, 2019 10:30 AM BST
The pace certainly caught Dettori out.

If a lesser jockey had given a fancied horse a ride like that knowing how he tied up last year, he'd find he wouldn't be riding many fancied horses again for a long time.


Sorry i strongly disagree. So do the backers in play 1.06. The horse just ran empty last 100 metres.

Acey called it right. He said the ground was a huge negative and I think he was right.

On good ground the result would have been different.

dettori never had a plan b, he didnt adjust to the fact aiden o'brien ran magical as a pace maker, could of been one those great arcs with a close finish,
hes a great jockey, so wouldnt really place blame on the way he rode enable, yes he rode the horse the same way in 2018, this was a different race tactically

The riding of Dettori did not lose Enable an Arc - it did not win it either; the heavy going and draw certainly did not help. However, I think a different tactic employed by Dettori would have enabled Enable lasting out the trip better on heavy ground using her 2018 run as a guide (perhaps).