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Regardless of your political colours..............I have gone from being a supporter to viewing the guy as a loose cannon that needs to go as quickly as expediency will allow.He is making Trump look like a genious in political terms.
Had 4 meetings this morning and trust me,if he is not stopped very soon the damage to the UK will be felt for decades to come,carnage is how some described the present situation as not a single Country in the World has any trust as long as he is at the helm.
Thoughts?
Had 4 meetings this morning and trust me,if he is not stopped very soon the damage to the UK will be felt for decades to come,carnage is how some described the present situation as not a single Country in the World has any trust as long as he is at the helm.
Thoughts?
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Most are dusty, can't argue with that but Jo has put her neck on the line to try save the country, knowing fine well the flack
she was going to cop from the brexiteers, most of them who did not know what the fk they were voting for
she was going to cop from the brexiteers, most of them who did not know what the fk they were voting for
Mac
NHS I'm afraid is 'weaponised' rhetoric, its a clarion call that happens to have been stolen when it suits them.
Our roads are also funded by the EU, as was the money they gave to raise living standards of the poor which the tories handed back unspent.
What the EU do best is bring collective rules which forces out tax evasion, the tory funders dont much like that sort of thing.
NHS I'm afraid is 'weaponised' rhetoric, its a clarion call that happens to have been stolen when it suits them.
Our roads are also funded by the EU, as was the money they gave to raise living standards of the poor which the tories handed back unspent.
What the EU do best is bring collective rules which forces out tax evasion, the tory funders dont much like that sort of thing.
Most don't know what theyre voting for ??
Clueless and infantile comment, its that kind of thinking that youre somehow superior in thought to those who actually voted to leave.
Noone wants to be or surely really associates themselves with being European in this country, theyre just people who are scared of the unknown, people scared to take a risk and build, small narrow minded thinking people, who I would bet in the main are looking out for themselves rather than the population as a whole and the possibilities we can take
Clueless and infantile comment, its that kind of thinking that youre somehow superior in thought to those who actually voted to leave.
Noone wants to be or surely really associates themselves with being European in this country, theyre just people who are scared of the unknown, people scared to take a risk and build, small narrow minded thinking people, who I would bet in the main are looking out for themselves rather than the population as a whole and the possibilities we can take
The majority of remainers where from the educated ranks were they not Mac?
I seem to recall see stats saying the number of degrees of remainers far outnumbered the thicko followers
I seem to recall see stats saying the number of degrees of remainers far outnumbered the thicko followers
Ive said it before but brexit is simply devide and rule on steroids
And just as in the 80s tradesmen and van drivers sold souls to save a few quid on their tax return, so too were brexiteers conned into voting for something promised but couldn't be delivered
(thatchers tax cuts were obv. the very source of all those very rich chums who saved far more than just a few quid as a result)
And just as in the 80s tradesmen and van drivers sold souls to save a few quid on their tax return, so too were brexiteers conned into voting for something promised but couldn't be delivered
(thatchers tax cuts were obv. the very source of all those very rich chums who saved far more than just a few quid as a result)
ofc it is dusty, blame immigrants/eu then they're not blaming their puppet masters.
Boris laughing at them from afar, Farage the same yet they keep lining up to back them, madness.
Boris laughing at them from afar, Farage the same yet they keep lining up to back them, madness.
Even at £200m per week (I've never believe what was on that bus) to The EU that's still a colossal amount, and most of it going to fund the decrepit economies of minnow member states we've not heard about not so long ago. But why though? Why do we annually contribute so much more than we get back whilst the majority get back multiples of what they contribute? It's so unjust.
And, with many new minnow members our present contribution will probably remain for quite some time yet probably more if the mooted EU army is under serious consideration for the near future.
And, with many new minnow members our present contribution will probably remain for quite some time yet probably more if the mooted EU army is under serious consideration for the near future.
Do some of you think you should get your subscriptions back from your memberships just because you might be paying more than other members with less means or disposable income?
Golf club,Military club,Scouts and guides subsidising poorer families to buy uniforms,schools subsidising students who can't afford text books etc,Scholarships to Uni's.............dating sites for benders etc?
Only asking because seems a fukcing lot of ignorance all of a sudden?
Golf club,Military club,Scouts and guides subsidising poorer families to buy uniforms,schools subsidising students who can't afford text books etc,Scholarships to Uni's.............dating sites for benders etc?
Only asking because seems a fukcing lot of ignorance all of a sudden?
Like him or loathe him he is the only who is actually trying to deliver the winning vote , the swamp might not like it but it's a fact.
Demented jawdie trusts bojo?..well his brother sister ex wife and many many more including her maj don't.
11- nowt in the highest court in the land
They used to hang people at Tyburn for far less.
They used to hang people at Tyburn for far less.
No war was ever won on a battlefield.
The poor innocent folk die for what they believe in.
Wars are eventually won by groups of folk who have never set foot on a battlefeild.
Ask Roman emperor's , Greek empires and Indian dynasties.
Chuck in our own hero.... Sir Arthur
So you can moan all you like. Trust me your only a number so get used to it.
The poor innocent folk die for what they believe in.
Wars are eventually won by groups of folk who have never set foot on a battlefeild.
Ask Roman emperor's , Greek empires and Indian dynasties.
Chuck in our own hero.... Sir Arthur
So you can moan all you like. Trust me your only a number so get used to it.
Boris is a liar. Who would have known. He should be booted out if he refuses to quit. I'm no legal expert but seems to be this is as damning as it could get for Boris.
Name me one war and there have been thousands where the conquer set foot on the battlefield?
There's thousands of wars to choose from....
Surely you guys who seem smart and care about politics can name a few who fought?
Surely you guys who seem smart and care about politics can name a few who fought?
My point is we are just a number and world leaders don't really give a s0d what we think.
Until like Peterloo for example they stand together.
Until like Peterloo for example they stand together.
I did in a few diff depending on your definition of a war,Paddy Ashdown also did.
Btw Diif,there are a lot more than you think and most are or were Conservative,Labour never had the guts for a fight.
What about the roundheads chinning the cavaliers and the monarchy?
King George II was the last British monarch to appear on a battlefield (c1740) but it was a bit of a limited show. The lat one who was a proper general was William III,winner at the Battle of the Boyne but also others against France on the continent.
Wellington was I think the only PM who was a general,but Churchill,MacMillan and Heath all certainly fought in one or other of the wars against Germany.
Wellington was I think the only PM who was a general,but Churchill,MacMillan and Heath all certainly fought in one or other of the wars against Germany.
Maybe not monarchs but the Royal Family have a proud record in modern times.
You must mean Churchill Duke of Marlborough SS, cos Winston didn't do any fighting he was a scribe who got caught out in South Africa and had to be resued....then became Admiral of the Fleet in WW1 and PM in WW2
Churchill resigned from the Cabinet after Gallipoli and served as a low-ranking officer on the western front. Quite how much fighting he saw I don't know offhand.
Never knew that SS, if the rest of his record is anything to go by he wouldnt have seen much.
He was privileged, even his PM position wasn't 'earned'
He was privileged, even his PM position wasn't 'earned'
All he has to do is get the Brexit Party onside. Would be a landslide result over the commies and the hypocrites such as the Greens and Libs. They really haven't a clue of the brexit tsunami that is about to be unleashed on the 400 or so remainers in the Commons. I fully expect a bigger majority if it goes to another vote.
Apparently he did come under fire on the front SS
Although from what I read they had to look hard to find an example, other than him 'making his HQ in a farm behind the trenches'
Although from what I read they had to look hard to find an example, other than him 'making his HQ in a farm behind the trenches'
My point is these leaders who we are supposed to trust.
When did any of us get a vote for or against a war?
But as always we pick up the pieces.
No MP can be trusted no matter what team they belong to.
When did any of us get a vote for or against a war?
But as always we pick up the pieces.
No MP can be trusted no matter what team they belong to.
War is like love.............easy to start.........difficult to end.
Love is like oxygen ,you get to much you get to high ,not enough and your gonna die .
Politics is like a chicken coop, plenty sitting on eggs and the whole place caked in s hit
If smoking is so bad for you how come it cures kippers
ROFL stattman,I was in Genova many years ago returning from Germany with a mate.I ordered ham rolls and cofee,my mate took a bite and spat it out.
WTf is that he asked,I explained cured ham.He looked at me in disgust and asked WTF was wrong with the pig before they cured it.
WTf is that he asked,I explained cured ham.He looked at me in disgust and asked WTF was wrong with the pig before they cured it.
" All he has to do is get the Brexit Party onside. Would be a landslide result over the commies and the hypocrites such as the Greens and Libs. They really haven't a clue of the brexit tsunami that is about to be unleashed on the 400 or so remainers in the Commons. I fully expect a bigger majority if it goes to another vote"
A Brexit female on with Andrew Neil tonight said that they would tell all of their supporters to vote Tory at an election to ensure Brexit.
A Brexit female on with Andrew Neil tonight said that they would tell all of their supporters to vote Tory at an election to ensure Brexit.
More chance of Mad Max aka Kemo tipping a winner than that happening oldgit,he probably will not even be there to see 31st Oct.Not been convicted yet but the fact is he has committed a crime as said in the thread title.
Will he carry on and risk the charge or jump before CPS formulate the charge?
Will he carry on and risk the charge or jump before CPS formulate the charge?
I can honestly see Boris.s popularity growing even because of this .He is the only one trying to deliver what the Democratic vote asked for .Labour the Lib no demacrats ,the Greens and that one trick independence pony Sturgoen are doing everything possible to derail Brexit .Stand by for another 4 weeks of absolutely nothing happening but arguments in parliament .
If it does go to another vote which I hope it does the remainers will Win by a mile and I hope they do.
He could not deliver the Guardian in a hand basket,Article 50 revoked.NAP
If it is revoked democracy in this country is dead .
He has just been proved to have revoked DEMOCRACY FFS?
All the Remainers are the ones ignoring democracy .
Dont be so stupid,the vote was 3 years ago and promises never delivered.
The promise was never delivered because Labour were against it and bleeted on for a general election for the last two years but as soon as they were offered one Corbyn shat his pants and changed the goalposts .He is still sitting on the fence wether he wants in or out .They shoul be renamed the oke kokey party .
The promise was never delivered because of Conservative procrastination,stupidiy and ineptness..........and btw LIES.
HTH..............and btw I am a TORY.
HTH..............and btw I am a TORY.
Glen so am I but the alternative to Boris is Horrific .Having THE abbot and Corbello show running this country is frightening .The majority of the country are sick to death of Brexit and just want it done ,so lets come out on the 31st and move on .
dustybin
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You must mean Churchill Duke of Marlborough SS, cos Winston didn't do any fighting he was a scribe who got caught out in South Africa and had to be resued....then became Admiral of the Fleet in WW1 and PM in WW2
I think you'll find he did.
In the autumn of 1895, he and Reginald Barnes traveled to Cuba to observe its war of independence; they joined Spanish troops attempting to suppress independence fighters and were caught up in several skirmishes.
In India Churchill decided to join Bindon Blood's Malakand Field Force in its campaign against Mohmand rebels in the Swat Valley of Northwest India.[56] Blood agreed on the condition that Churchill be assigned as a journalist; to ensure this, he gained accreditation from The Pioneer and The Daily Telegraph, for whom he wrote regular updates.[57] In letters to family, he described how both sides in the conflict slaughtered each other's wounded, although he omitted any reference to such actions by British troops in his published reports.[58] He remained with the British troops for six weeks before returning to Bangalore in October 1897
In 1898 Arriving in Egypt, he joined the 21st Lancers at Cairo before they headed south along the River Nile to take part in the Battle of Omdurman against the army of Sudanese leader Abdallahi ibn Muhammad. He took part in the Lancers Cavalry Charge.
Action at Omdurman by the 21st Lancers. In 1898 the regiment served in Sudan during the Mahdist War, as the only British cavalry unit involved. It was there that the full regiment charged with lances in the classic cavalry style during the Battle of Omdurman in September 1898. Of less than 400 men involved in the charge 70 were killed and wounded[3] and the regiment won three Victoria Crosses. These three were Private Thomas Byrne,[4] Lieutenant Raymond de Montmorency[4] and Captain Paul Kenna.[4] This spectacular encounter earned considerable public attention and praise for the regiment, though it was also criticized as a costly and unnecessary anachronism - since the 2,000 Dervish spearmen dispersed by the 21st Lancers could have been destroyed by rifle fire with few if any British losses.[3] Winston Churchill (then an officer of the 4th Hussars), rode with the unit.[5]
"Omdurman" was the regiment's only battle honour, giving rise to the satirical regimental motto of "thou shalt not kill."[6] That same year, the regiment was given the title 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers, taking the name from Queen Victoria who was the Empress of India.[1]
24 Sep 19 16:11
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You must mean Churchill Duke of Marlborough SS, cos Winston didn't do any fighting he was a scribe who got caught out in South Africa and had to be resued....then became Admiral of the Fleet in WW1 and PM in WW2
I think you'll find he did.
In the autumn of 1895, he and Reginald Barnes traveled to Cuba to observe its war of independence; they joined Spanish troops attempting to suppress independence fighters and were caught up in several skirmishes.
In India Churchill decided to join Bindon Blood's Malakand Field Force in its campaign against Mohmand rebels in the Swat Valley of Northwest India.[56] Blood agreed on the condition that Churchill be assigned as a journalist; to ensure this, he gained accreditation from The Pioneer and The Daily Telegraph, for whom he wrote regular updates.[57] In letters to family, he described how both sides in the conflict slaughtered each other's wounded, although he omitted any reference to such actions by British troops in his published reports.[58] He remained with the British troops for six weeks before returning to Bangalore in October 1897
In 1898 Arriving in Egypt, he joined the 21st Lancers at Cairo before they headed south along the River Nile to take part in the Battle of Omdurman against the army of Sudanese leader Abdallahi ibn Muhammad. He took part in the Lancers Cavalry Charge.
Action at Omdurman by the 21st Lancers. In 1898 the regiment served in Sudan during the Mahdist War, as the only British cavalry unit involved. It was there that the full regiment charged with lances in the classic cavalry style during the Battle of Omdurman in September 1898. Of less than 400 men involved in the charge 70 were killed and wounded[3] and the regiment won three Victoria Crosses. These three were Private Thomas Byrne,[4] Lieutenant Raymond de Montmorency[4] and Captain Paul Kenna.[4] This spectacular encounter earned considerable public attention and praise for the regiment, though it was also criticized as a costly and unnecessary anachronism - since the 2,000 Dervish spearmen dispersed by the 21st Lancers could have been destroyed by rifle fire with few if any British losses.[3] Winston Churchill (then an officer of the 4th Hussars), rode with the unit.[5]
"Omdurman" was the regiment's only battle honour, giving rise to the satirical regimental motto of "thou shalt not kill."[6] That same year, the regiment was given the title 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers, taking the name from Queen Victoria who was the Empress of India.[1]
Cannot argue with you mate re-the alternatives,i'm as frustrated as most.The only way forward I can see is revocation of article 50,a General Election with a Tory majority and a new referendum.
It is the only way the UK gets a fair say.?
It is the only way the UK gets a fair say.?
Glen we all seem to forget that it is not just our decision . If one of the 27 European countries says enough is enough then that's it we are out anyway .Does anyone really think they will all agree to starting re negotiating with Corbyn .
I doubt they will stattman but I can say this,most of my friends and contacts across Europe want the UK to stay.Not for any political purposes but because they trust the UK in times of uncertainty in the world,we are in such and heading for worse.
The UK coming out will weaken Europe without benefit to the UK.
The UK coming out will weaken Europe without benefit to the UK.
Yes I believe Europe want us to stay ,but look at the state of Europe .Italy is on the verge of Bankrupcy .Greece Turkey are skint Spain are heading that way .The rest will have to help bail them out ,and us being one of the more prosperous countries will pay more than others .
Will not proper long if coming out mate,in fact I predict 4 million unemployed within a year if you do.
Glen we will just have to have everyone backing your advices and everyone will be happy 
.But seriously I cant see it being that bad after all we prospered for centuries before we joined Europe and we will again .
.But seriously I cant see it being that bad after all we prospered for centuries before we joined Europe and we will again .
I really wish that could be the case statt,when I was in the mob and all and sundry were howling about the threat from Russia we knew different.The Russians were bricking the threat from China,they are still and we should be the same.
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More chance of Mad Max aka Kemo tipping a winner than that happening oldgit,he probably will not even be there to see 31st Oct.Not been convicted yet but the fact is he has committed a crime as said in the thread title.
Will he carry on and risk the charge or jump before CPS formulate the charge?
No criminal charges as this was CONSTITUTIONAL law not criminal law.
More chance of Mad Max aka Kemo tipping a winner than that happening oldgit,he probably will not even be there to see 31st Oct.Not been convicted yet but the fact is he has committed a crime as said in the thread title.
Will he carry on and risk the charge or jump before CPS formulate the charge?
No criminal charges as this was CONSTITUTIONAL law not criminal law.
I can assure you movewith...........a criminal offence has been committed and being considered by the CPS,would you like a sidebet here and now?
In your favour is that a charge is unlikely to follow,on my side,my years of law study and knowledge of such.
The decider left to the outcome/decision of any further Courts?
In your favour is that a charge is unlikely to follow,on my side,my years of law study and knowledge of such.
The decider left to the outcome/decision of any further Courts?
No idea yet so the ball is in your Court mate,what would you say to the sidebet?
Only bet on what I know law not my strong point, been following it all day and the experts say can't be a charge which makes sense as what PM would risk going to court/Jail. Looks like he's been advised very good in the fact that no charges could be brought against him and nearly got the suspension of parliament through.
If he had been well advised he would have done what he did,his lawyers did not even turn up in Court today.
And btw do you think he is paying them or is it coming out of our taxes? I do pay tax on my pensions btw (UK)
And btw do you think he is paying them or is it coming out of our taxes? I do pay tax on my pensions btw (UK)
Glen have you started drinking ,your sluring your texts
Glen enjoy it I have to be up at 5am but I am not jealous honest
Four Day working Week gets my vote straight away.
glen - you missed the troubles tonight - fascinating watch as always 
Nor should you be,i'm 0400 hrs and the missus will not be happy if I smell of booze,will just explain I am a sweaty by birth and British by nature.
Hope that helps...............ME.
Hope that helps...............ME.
Anyone who adopts a furbaby can't be all bad. Think of little Dylan and soften your stance!
if corbin ever gets elected he will bankrupt this country the man is a moron
Boris should be locked up
under the mental health act
Ask his family what they think of him
said a local O.A.P
under the mental health act
Ask his family what they think of him
said a local O.A.P
thinker 25 Sep 19 18:51
if corbin ever gets elected he will bankrupt this country the man is a moron
I took you 9 years to come up with that,perhaps you should change your username..
if corbin ever gets elected he will bankrupt this country the man is a moron
I took you 9 years to come up with that,perhaps you should change your username..
Hi giggs,where have you been hiding yourself? Saw you tipped up a huge priced winner the other day but not seen you on the racing Forum,hope uou are well.
If the present MPs cannot or unwilling to sort this out maybe the learned public can have a go. We'd elect a group to represent us, and post that we sack the entire lot of MPs; hold a General Election to select new ones. Job done. QED.
Get Boris in a double with Trump @ 66s before the price goes.
To be convicted btw.
To be convicted btw.
So embarrassing to listen to the oppostion parties harping on all day about prorogation being illegal and that Boris lied to the house the public and the Queen which he didnt, if prorogation was illegal when the government made the decision the supreme court would not have had to change parliamentry constitution to deliver their 11-0 verdict
The SUPREME COURT...........led by Kemo.........LIED then Carrot?
11-0 ............is that at half time or will Fiji fight back IYO?
glentoby. In your original post were your four meetings in Scotland where a large proportion would want Boris to fail to further their own agendas ?
And btw the ones in Scotland were as near as a Newcastle photo finish as to be described as a mirror image.
carrot1960 25 Sep 19 22:41
So embarrassing to listen to the oppostion parties harping on all day about prorogation being illegal and that Boris lied to the house the public and the Queen which he didnt, if prorogation was illegal when the government made the decision the supreme court would not have had to change parliamentry constitution to deliver their 11-0 verdict
You're missing the point.
Prorogation isn't illegal.
But the reason given for it were found to be false
And there was no reason for the 5 week duration.
The MP's are always happy to jet off for long summer breaks,apparently getting a deal hasn't been that important to them. Like children,take their toy away from them and they squeal.
Arrogant, mendacious, self-seeking, self-serving moron. Kept in office by two bunches of cowards too afraid to tell the Brexit supporting half-wits who voted Brexit that they are being conned a a small group headed by J Rees Smug whose sole interest in leaving the EU is to make themselves even richer by removing EU controls over their tax dodging schemes and the influence of the ECJ in protecting the interests of working people. Tories afraid to take on their "leader", Labour afraid of losing votes to the "Keep Johnny Foreigner Out" brigade who don't see that the EU has nothing to do with preventing Pakistani immigration. we are at rock bottom. We need an intelligence test for prospective MPs. Current mob would show a 50% fail rate.
gentoby:
"Those were in Cambridge oldgit"
The 'Don's would take that view.
"Those were in Cambridge oldgit"
The 'Don's would take that view.
The shouting masses of van drivers barking out how 'brexit means brexit' and how democracy has been undermined are the epitome of all the people who voted to call that new scientific discovery ship 'Boaty McBoatface' because it would be '2 fingers upto the lot of em'.
All it shows is canvassing stupid people leaves you with stupid results, and that democracy is just an illusion sold to people to keep them sated.
All it shows is canvassing stupid people leaves you with stupid results, and that democracy is just an illusion sold to people to keep them sated.
I didnt vote, Im sat with my feet up watching while laughing
u a tory by any chance ummmmmmm
sorry betfair for swearing
sorry betfair for swearing
I'm not sure the result of the vote would have been what it was if the process had been outlined properly, the timeline explained and the resulting focus on all things Brexit to achieve a deal at the expense of running the country for 3 years
it was a poorly planned & rushed vote probably because Cameron is a pig (!) ignorant moron, who totally misread the mood of the people and the amount of damage the austerity measures were having on ordinary folk, along with the mis-represented cr@p about having control of our borders
it was nearly as stupid a decision to the one May took in chucking her majority up the wall by calling an election,pretty much consigning the nation to an unsortable mess
the best part of this is that those same folk can now see what an absolute shambles of a party labour are too (and pretty much all mps no matter who they represent), so we all know whoever wins the next election it's all still a crock of sh1t and no matter whether we are in or out of the EU, not much will change in the long run
a house full of whankers squabbling over their own personal agendas, the whole lot need clearing out; it does make you wonder if it's worth starting a guillotine business?
it was a poorly planned & rushed vote probably because Cameron is a pig (!) ignorant moron, who totally misread the mood of the people and the amount of damage the austerity measures were having on ordinary folk, along with the mis-represented cr@p about having control of our borders
it was nearly as stupid a decision to the one May took in chucking her majority up the wall by calling an election,pretty much consigning the nation to an unsortable mess
the best part of this is that those same folk can now see what an absolute shambles of a party labour are too (and pretty much all mps no matter who they represent), so we all know whoever wins the next election it's all still a crock of sh1t and no matter whether we are in or out of the EU, not much will change in the long run
a house full of whankers squabbling over their own personal agendas, the whole lot need clearing out; it does make you wonder if it's worth starting a guillotine business?
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