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Since the arrival and ever-growing dominance of the Coolmore Magnier operation, together with its monopolisation of the best 1.5 mile stallions, we have witnessed a steady decline in the Stature and spectacle of the Epsom Derby.
It reached a new nadir yesterday with the sight of 7 of the 13 runners in the race being A.P. O'Brien runners, and 5 of the first 6 being the same.
I am old enough to remember when the Derby was a day of national interest around the country. Younger people may find that hard to believe, but many offices and workplaces around the nation would have sweepstakes on the result, and the race result would headline the News.
I doubt yesterday most of the nation even knew the race was taking place, never mind took any interest in the result.
Below I cite the Derby fields for 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991. All Have decent French representation and are on the whole hugely more competitive and watchable than the predictable dirge which was served up yesterday.
In ireland itself they are facing an existential crisis due to the hegemony of Mullins and Elliot in NH Racing, which is squeezing the lifeblood out of their training ranks.
The same thing is happening in Irish flat racing with O'Brien often having 3, 4 or 5 runners in listed and Group races.
Racing in the British Isles needs to take a serious look at this, and although I certainly do not like the 'coupling' process seen in France and to a lesser degree in the USA, I would certainly consider a rule to allow only a maximum of TWO runners from the same stable in any race. If a trainer has 3 or more he would like to run, then choose your best two.
The apathy and disinterest I witnessed yesterday in my local betting shop about the Derby was quite stunning. A once truly great race has been neutered and marginalised.
1991 Derby
1 Generous Alan Munro Paul Cole 9/1
2 5 Marju Willie Carson John Dunlop 14/1
3 7 Star of Gdansk Christy Roche Jim Bolger (IRE) 14/1
4 ½ Hector Protector Freddy Head François Boutin (FR) 6/1
5 shd Hundra Bruce Raymond Paul Kelleway 66/1
6 ½ Corrupt Cash Asmussen Neville Callaghan 4/1 jf
7 4 Hokusai Lester Piggott Henry Cecil 25/1
8 6 Hailsham Steve Cauthen Clive Brittain 28/1
9 ½ Toulon Pat Eddery André Fabre (FR) 4/1 jf
10 7 Mystiko Michael Roberts Clive Brittain 5/1
11 10 Environment Friend George Duffield James Fanshawe 11/1
12 2 Arokat Paul Eddery Barry Hills 250/1
13 30 Mujaazif Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 33/1
1990
1 Quest for Fame Pat Eddery Roger Charlton 7/1
2 3 Blue Stag Cash Asmussen Barry Hills 8/1
3 1½ Elmaamul Willie Carson Dick Hern 10/1
4 2½ Kaheel Michael Roberts Alec Stewart 33/1
5 2 Karinga Bay Brian Rouse Denys Smith 14/1
6 hd Duke of Paducah Ray Cochrane Guy Harwood 14/1
7 hd Zoman Richard Quinn Paul Cole 6/1
8 nk Treble Eight Bruce Raymond Michael Jarvis 66/1
9 1½ Linamix Gérald Mossé François Boutin (FR) 11/2
10 10 Missionary Ridge Michael Hills Barry Hills 50/1
11 ¾ Digression Walter Swinburn Guy Harwood 14/1
12 1½ Sober Mind Alan Munro Paul Kelleway 150/1
13 1½ Bookcase John Williams David Elsworth 150/1
14 1½ Razeen Steve Cauthen Henry Cecil 9/2 fav
15 hd Bastille Day Stephen Craine Tommy Stack (IRE) 100/1
16 3 River God Michael Kinane Henry Cecil 28/1
17 12 Aromatic Tony Clark Guy Harwood 100/1
18 3 Mr Brooks Pat Shanahan Kevin Connolly (IRE) 66/1
1989
1 Nashwan Willie Carson Dick Hern 5/4 fav
2 5 Terimon Michael Roberts Clive Brittain 500/1
3 2 Cacoethes Greville Starkey Guy Harwood 3/1
4 ½ Ile de Nisky George Duffield Geoff Huffer 20/1
5 2 Mill Pond Pat Eddery Patrick Biancone (FR) 16/1
6 2 Gran Alba Brian Rouse Richard Hannon, Sr. 80/1
7 6 Classic Fame John Reid Vincent O'Brien (IRE) 33/1
8 ¾ Torjoun Ray Cochrane Luca Cumani 11/1
9 3 Flockton's Own Richard Hills J. R. Shaw 500/1
10 hd Prince of Dance Steve Cauthen Dick Hern 11/2
11 15 Warrshan Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 13/1
12 25 Polar Run Tony Clark Guy Harwood 250/1
1988
1 Kahyasi Ray Cochrane Luca Cumani 11/1
2 1½ Glacial Storm Michael Hills Barry Hills 14/1
3 1½ Doyoun Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 9/1
4 ½ Red Glow Pat Eddery Geoff Wragg 5/2 fav
5 nk Kefaah John Reid Luca Cumani 25/1
6 3 Sheriff's Star Tony Ives Lady Herries 18/1
7 hd Unfuwain Steve Cauthen Dick Hern 9/2
8 6 Minster Son Willie Carson Dick Hern 6/1
9 ½ Project Manager Kevin Manning Jim Bolger (IRE) 66/1
10 2½ Al Mufti Richard Hills Harry Thomson Jones 14/1
11 1 Charmer Paul Eddery Dick Hern 11/1
12 Clifton Chapel Billy Newnes Steve Norton 100/1
13 Maksud Michael Roberts Robert Armstrong 200/1
14 Al Muhalhal Paul D'Arcy Harry Thomson Jones 500/1
It reached a new nadir yesterday with the sight of 7 of the 13 runners in the race being A.P. O'Brien runners, and 5 of the first 6 being the same.
I am old enough to remember when the Derby was a day of national interest around the country. Younger people may find that hard to believe, but many offices and workplaces around the nation would have sweepstakes on the result, and the race result would headline the News.
I doubt yesterday most of the nation even knew the race was taking place, never mind took any interest in the result.
Below I cite the Derby fields for 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991. All Have decent French representation and are on the whole hugely more competitive and watchable than the predictable dirge which was served up yesterday.
In ireland itself they are facing an existential crisis due to the hegemony of Mullins and Elliot in NH Racing, which is squeezing the lifeblood out of their training ranks.
The same thing is happening in Irish flat racing with O'Brien often having 3, 4 or 5 runners in listed and Group races.
Racing in the British Isles needs to take a serious look at this, and although I certainly do not like the 'coupling' process seen in France and to a lesser degree in the USA, I would certainly consider a rule to allow only a maximum of TWO runners from the same stable in any race. If a trainer has 3 or more he would like to run, then choose your best two.
The apathy and disinterest I witnessed yesterday in my local betting shop about the Derby was quite stunning. A once truly great race has been neutered and marginalised.
1991 Derby
1 Generous Alan Munro Paul Cole 9/1
2 5 Marju Willie Carson John Dunlop 14/1
3 7 Star of Gdansk Christy Roche Jim Bolger (IRE) 14/1
4 ½ Hector Protector Freddy Head François Boutin (FR) 6/1
5 shd Hundra Bruce Raymond Paul Kelleway 66/1
6 ½ Corrupt Cash Asmussen Neville Callaghan 4/1 jf
7 4 Hokusai Lester Piggott Henry Cecil 25/1
8 6 Hailsham Steve Cauthen Clive Brittain 28/1
9 ½ Toulon Pat Eddery André Fabre (FR) 4/1 jf
10 7 Mystiko Michael Roberts Clive Brittain 5/1
11 10 Environment Friend George Duffield James Fanshawe 11/1
12 2 Arokat Paul Eddery Barry Hills 250/1
13 30 Mujaazif Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 33/1
1990
1 Quest for Fame Pat Eddery Roger Charlton 7/1
2 3 Blue Stag Cash Asmussen Barry Hills 8/1
3 1½ Elmaamul Willie Carson Dick Hern 10/1
4 2½ Kaheel Michael Roberts Alec Stewart 33/1
5 2 Karinga Bay Brian Rouse Denys Smith 14/1
6 hd Duke of Paducah Ray Cochrane Guy Harwood 14/1
7 hd Zoman Richard Quinn Paul Cole 6/1
8 nk Treble Eight Bruce Raymond Michael Jarvis 66/1
9 1½ Linamix Gérald Mossé François Boutin (FR) 11/2
10 10 Missionary Ridge Michael Hills Barry Hills 50/1
11 ¾ Digression Walter Swinburn Guy Harwood 14/1
12 1½ Sober Mind Alan Munro Paul Kelleway 150/1
13 1½ Bookcase John Williams David Elsworth 150/1
14 1½ Razeen Steve Cauthen Henry Cecil 9/2 fav
15 hd Bastille Day Stephen Craine Tommy Stack (IRE) 100/1
16 3 River God Michael Kinane Henry Cecil 28/1
17 12 Aromatic Tony Clark Guy Harwood 100/1
18 3 Mr Brooks Pat Shanahan Kevin Connolly (IRE) 66/1
1989
1 Nashwan Willie Carson Dick Hern 5/4 fav
2 5 Terimon Michael Roberts Clive Brittain 500/1
3 2 Cacoethes Greville Starkey Guy Harwood 3/1
4 ½ Ile de Nisky George Duffield Geoff Huffer 20/1
5 2 Mill Pond Pat Eddery Patrick Biancone (FR) 16/1
6 2 Gran Alba Brian Rouse Richard Hannon, Sr. 80/1
7 6 Classic Fame John Reid Vincent O'Brien (IRE) 33/1
8 ¾ Torjoun Ray Cochrane Luca Cumani 11/1
9 3 Flockton's Own Richard Hills J. R. Shaw 500/1
10 hd Prince of Dance Steve Cauthen Dick Hern 11/2
11 15 Warrshan Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 13/1
12 25 Polar Run Tony Clark Guy Harwood 250/1
1988
1 Kahyasi Ray Cochrane Luca Cumani 11/1
2 1½ Glacial Storm Michael Hills Barry Hills 14/1
3 1½ Doyoun Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute 9/1
4 ½ Red Glow Pat Eddery Geoff Wragg 5/2 fav
5 nk Kefaah John Reid Luca Cumani 25/1
6 3 Sheriff's Star Tony Ives Lady Herries 18/1
7 hd Unfuwain Steve Cauthen Dick Hern 9/2
8 6 Minster Son Willie Carson Dick Hern 6/1
9 ½ Project Manager Kevin Manning Jim Bolger (IRE) 66/1
10 2½ Al Mufti Richard Hills Harry Thomson Jones 14/1
11 1 Charmer Paul Eddery Dick Hern 11/1
12 Clifton Chapel Billy Newnes Steve Norton 100/1
13 Maksud Michael Roberts Robert Armstrong 200/1
14 Al Muhalhal Paul D'Arcy Harry Thomson Jones 500/1
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this is what happens when all of the best horses are in a small number of hands
it is dreadfully dull
it is dreadfully dull
The race has never been the same since Coolmore changed it from a Wednesday.
if ao'b had been limited to 2 runners there would have been a field of 8 so what kind of race would that have been
I think sometimes they do have a 'chosen one' who they want to win for commercial reasons, so all we can ask for as punters, is that the ones they do run in it, run on their merits and say for example, are not sacrificed as pacemakers, and as far as I could see yesterday, all their horses ran on their merits, which made for a very competitive Derby and an appealing betting heat.
So I totally disagree with the OP.
So I totally disagree with the OP.
George b
the shop was bouncing yesterday the stakes and slips on the derby was way way better than I expected.
regards
ronnie
the shop was bouncing yesterday the stakes and slips on the derby was way way better than I expected.
regards
ronnie
Cheers for that Ronnie, so the betting public voted with their feet in a positive way!
Maybe there's not a standout champion, but it made for an exciting race, and the horses they ran in it, all deserved to take their chance on ORs.
And they're able to run so many for one reason, they have Galileo.
Maybe there's not a standout champion, but it made for an exciting race, and the horses they ran in it, all deserved to take their chance on ORs.
And they're able to run so many for one reason, they have Galileo.
I suggest that that criticism of Ballydoyle's enthusiasm for the Derby is misguided and unwarranted. One could equally argue that they pay a tribute to the Derby by taking it so seriously -regarding it as the plum prize they really try to win. One might better ask why the competition has melted away so much.
I agree it's a pity that the French are more absent these days -but why is this ? O'Brien ( among others ) regularly challenges them in France.
I agree it's a pity that the French are more absent these days -but why is this ? O'Brien ( among others ) regularly challenges them in France.
Looking at the 4 Derby results you put up, an awful lot of the runners had no chance, look at the distances the backmarkers were beaten, 15 of the runners were 66/1 plus so although more runners probably less quality overall, more chance of a good horse having their chance compromised by horses dropping back through the field.
Think you have to put the name of the trainer out of your mind when having a bet, and back the horse you think is the best, as already said if MOB only ran 2 yesterday would have only been 8 runners. He probably didn't know himself which of his entries was likely to act best around Epsom and don't think anyone could say that bar his 100/1 shot leader who ensured a decent pace that any didn't do their best. Wings Of Eagles certainly wouldn't have won if that was the case. If the other trainers including those having all the sheiks horses haven't got a horse good enough to run then theres not much you can do about it.
Think you have to put the name of the trainer out of your mind when having a bet, and back the horse you think is the best, as already said if MOB only ran 2 yesterday would have only been 8 runners. He probably didn't know himself which of his entries was likely to act best around Epsom and don't think anyone could say that bar his 100/1 shot leader who ensured a decent pace that any didn't do their best. Wings Of Eagles certainly wouldn't have won if that was the case. If the other trainers including those having all the sheiks horses haven't got a horse good enough to run then theres not much you can do about it.
If you took their runners away from yesterday's race, what are you left with? Maybe we should be looking at the other owners/trainers and ask what they're doing rather than blaming coolmore?
I agree with vubiant's view that they are showing the Derby the greatest respect.
Was there a need to start another thread on this? Anyhow, regarding the Derby losing its appeal isn't that the same for flat racing as a whole? And to a lesser extent racing as a whole? Perhaps punters are sick of big flat trainers/owners hiding behind their accents and getting away with cheating on a daily basis.
they bang on about AOB and gallileo been the dogs bollocks why doesnt a pundit ask the question if both are so good why is the only horse coolmore can put up in older age group ones is a 2 mile plodder in kew gardens, 
Agree with most of the above -what I can't get my head round is why other , trainers , stables , owners can't get horses to the race & Coolmore get seven
Jun 2, 2019 -- 1:05PM, isleham wrote:
if ao'b had been limited to 2 runners there would have been a field of 8 so what kind of race would that have been
An 8 runner derby?
pundit tom Stanley in awe as AOB tells him about gallello,s been different head down never beaten etc,etc why didn't Stanley ask him about the 100,s and 100,s of blue blooded gall,s who couldn't beat the stable yard cat and some of those who did make the grade beaten distances in races.its a scatter gun throw as much shoite strategy tha tworks because they can afford to buy up most of the possible opposition.there happy to win the derby, godolphin happy to target the hound/banded racing in dubia,weld happy to target galway etc,etc.godolphin possible no one avoiding Epsom to run today
Derby has been fading away for more than 30 years. Coolmore's domination through number of runners ruined it for me in recent years and didn't bother to watch or bet yesterday. I used to take Wednesday off work when I could to watch.
didn't AOB have about 50 consecutive losers at Epsom derby a few years back
My point is that the Race was made to look farcical yesterday, by one trainer saddling 7 of the 13 runners.
Accusations of teaming up have been levellled at O'Brien on numerous occasions.
Allowing our premier horse race to be manipulated by one omnipresent breeding operation is beyond bad.
Those on here making excuses for Ballydoyle and Coolmore by saying why dont the other trainers step up, ignore the reality that the prime mile and a half bloodstock has been cornered by Coolmore/Magnier for years now. Ask Godolphin.
Of course, they run their operation to their own maximum benefit, I cannot fault that.
But no other major racing country in the world would put up with yesterdays farce.
Because a farce it most certainly was.
Accusations of teaming up have been levellled at O'Brien on numerous occasions.
Allowing our premier horse race to be manipulated by one omnipresent breeding operation is beyond bad.
Those on here making excuses for Ballydoyle and Coolmore by saying why dont the other trainers step up, ignore the reality that the prime mile and a half bloodstock has been cornered by Coolmore/Magnier for years now. Ask Godolphin.
Of course, they run their operation to their own maximum benefit, I cannot fault that.
But no other major racing country in the world would put up with yesterdays farce.
Because a farce it most certainly was.
THe derby is still the only race in this country about which anybody overseas has heard or cares.
No one wants to know about the king george or ascots hideous champions day, which might as well be run at cheltenham in january for all its relevance to proper good ground flat racing.
I think tom segal went into detail about the demise of british flat racing a few years ago.
He made well reasoned (I thought) arguments about the lack of the traditional owner/breeders and the uk racing program being heavily dependent on handicaps for sprinter/milers. This means the majority of horses are bred for speed, with stallions like kodiac and dark angel in demand.
THeir progeny stand no chance of winning a guineas let alone a derby.
This means the classic races are going to be the preserve of the likes of coolmore, juddmonte, darley etc
It reflects society in a way, money goes to money.
And say what you like about coolmore but they never stitch up the race in favour of one runner.
In fact its been quite tragi-comical in recent times watching the likes of masar and harzand turn them over.
No one wants to know about the king george or ascots hideous champions day, which might as well be run at cheltenham in january for all its relevance to proper good ground flat racing.
I think tom segal went into detail about the demise of british flat racing a few years ago.
He made well reasoned (I thought) arguments about the lack of the traditional owner/breeders and the uk racing program being heavily dependent on handicaps for sprinter/milers. This means the majority of horses are bred for speed, with stallions like kodiac and dark angel in demand.
THeir progeny stand no chance of winning a guineas let alone a derby.
This means the classic races are going to be the preserve of the likes of coolmore, juddmonte, darley etc
It reflects society in a way, money goes to money.
And say what you like about coolmore but they never stitch up the race in favour of one runner.
In fact its been quite tragi-comical in recent times watching the likes of masar and harzand turn them over.
I don't understand the need for the stable to have 7 runners in the Derby.
2 or 3 OK, but unlike other stables they are all owned by the same owners so a day out for them doesn't hold water.
O'Brien is a shrewdly, knows all of them well and that a few shouldn't win, so I do question why some of them are running.
A no bet race for me because of this.
2 or 3 OK, but unlike other stables they are all owned by the same owners so a day out for them doesn't hold water.
O'Brien is a shrewdly, knows all of them well and that a few shouldn't win, so I do question why some of them are running.
A no bet race for me because of this.
Maybe more folk would be tempted to join in if the battalions eased off a little.
Jun 2, 2019 -- 8:35PM, RothmanMike wrote:
I don't understand the need for the stable to have 7 runners in the Derby.2 or 3 OK, but unlike other stables they are all owned by the same owners so a day out for them doesn't hold water.O'Brien is a shrewdly, knows all of them well and that a few shouldn't win, so I do question why some of them are running.A no bet race for me because of this.
Same stance.
Always going to be people playing this game with more info than me.
But this is a rather extreme example.
theres a dearth of 1m 4 horses hence the perpetual search for a guinneas winner to stay beyond the 1m/1.2 /1.4.
Been the same since the Sir Ivor era.
Has always been the question - will it stay the extra 4f.
Has always been the question - will it stay the extra 4f.
Looks like the Derby is doomed -some truculent forumites refuse to bet on it .
As a serious punter it looked very straight forward 7 runners i ended up with 5, the favourite was the one that puzzled on different ground but the price would have been 7/4 if they knew, i had to back 5 including the winner and my best result would have been japan 3rd looked unlucky not to win it, made a profit so didnt do a lot wrong and the interview with the owner before the race said it all they didnt seem to know which one so as a punter why try to beat them just go along with what they are doing, its very easy really unless your stuck with the i only back one in a race mentality
There are too many moderate sprinters/milers in training in the UK and too many very moderate stallions of that sort.
Even when you we do get a very good horse in England,sired by Galileo,it swerves the Derby for some obscure race at Royal Ascot,where unfortunately it managed to scramble home.
Even when you we do get a very good horse in England,sired by Galileo,it swerves the Derby for some obscure race at Royal Ascot,where unfortunately it managed to scramble home.
thelarps and unclepuncle make very valid points. the derby would be a glorified group three race these days if it wasn't for coolmore. I think I stated on here that the home challenge looked dire before the race, and it badly needs to step up.
as a racing fan you can bemoan the dominance of coolmore but you can also use it in your favour. hard to separate his runners at times that must be admitted, but for example If we look at the breeding angle, galileo had won two derbies with his immediate progeny before this one, I think his most fancied runner this year was Anthony van dyck (it's possible he had other runners, I'm not sure) and that got largely overlooked with the hype surrounding the Australia and Camelot stock. and yet galileo came up trumps again.
just because O'Brien dominates as a trainer doesn't mean as a punter you can't win on the race.
as a racing fan you can bemoan the dominance of coolmore but you can also use it in your favour. hard to separate his runners at times that must be admitted, but for example If we look at the breeding angle, galileo had won two derbies with his immediate progeny before this one, I think his most fancied runner this year was Anthony van dyck (it's possible he had other runners, I'm not sure) and that got largely overlooked with the hype surrounding the Australia and Camelot stock. and yet galileo came up trumps again.
just because O'Brien dominates as a trainer doesn't mean as a punter you can't win on the race.
their propping up their own brand in reality the derby is no longer the race people want to win its the 5/6 10 furlong races between now and the arc,which on yesterdays evidence you wouldn't think AOB,S 7 had the speed for,they havnt got a superstar 12 furlong older horse and AOB,S 12 FUTRLONG 3 YR OL;DS SEEM TO WANT MUCH FURTTHER AT 4 PLUS, so it looks like the derby and arc are the operations 2 main targets
O'Brien knows his horses of course, but there are far too many imponderables for him to know in what order they will finish on the day. Aside from luck in running, there is the course and the camber to handle, the ground on the day, the differing levels of experience.
What he does know, is that off a guaranteed pace (which they can force), his Galileo's, Australia's and Camelots have a touch of class and will stay. Those beasts all won the Derby after all. They are bred to knuckle down when others have cried enough. And you can't buy that for middle distance races. Well you can, but Coolmore will charge you a pretty penny.
I feel a little bit sorry for the owners of Telecaster (sired by New Approach, also a progeny of Galileo and who also won the Derby) - supplemented for £85k after withdrawing their initial entry in March, when they could have got in for peanuts.
What he does know, is that off a guaranteed pace (which they can force), his Galileo's, Australia's and Camelots have a touch of class and will stay. Those beasts all won the Derby after all. They are bred to knuckle down when others have cried enough. And you can't buy that for middle distance races. Well you can, but Coolmore will charge you a pretty penny.
I feel a little bit sorry for the owners of Telecaster (sired by New Approach, also a progeny of Galileo and who also won the Derby) - supplemented for £85k after withdrawing their initial entry in March, when they could have got in for peanuts.
why don't the 100,s that don't make the race track,dont get oout of AOB,S YARD,get beat furlongs in some races knuckle down and fight, he,s getting or so of the very best to perform on a racetrack ,whilst the rest of them perform ,show the same instincts,falabilities as many other sires
same people say the same thing about 300 mjk horses from 150 different sires at distances from 5 furlongs to 2 miles from sellers to group ones,
Some salient points.
1) The final result validated the decision to run so many,only inches between a lot of them, so who knew?
2) There is only a limited number of horses good enough to participate at the top level,hence the competition to buy or breed them is competitive. In the market the "lads" put the cash down and reap the benefits, or get burned, although they limit the damage by pooling their resources.
3) The whole crux of the topic is can the Derby be made more competitive. The short answer is no!! as any colt showing the needed potential is soon gobbled up by the big players.
4) You have to ask yourself if i had the best six horses in training would i throw all my darts to win the blue riband? You bet.
1) The final result validated the decision to run so many,only inches between a lot of them, so who knew?
2) There is only a limited number of horses good enough to participate at the top level,hence the competition to buy or breed them is competitive. In the market the "lads" put the cash down and reap the benefits, or get burned, although they limit the damage by pooling their resources.
3) The whole crux of the topic is can the Derby be made more competitive. The short answer is no!! as any colt showing the needed potential is soon gobbled up by the big players.
4) You have to ask yourself if i had the best six horses in training would i throw all my darts to win the blue riband? You bet.
problem been its not going to be the best race but an AOB GALLOP,
why don't the 100,s that don't make the race track,dont get oout of AOB,S YARD,get beat furlongs in some races knuckle down and fight, he,s getting or so of the very best to perform on a racetrack ,whilst the rest of them perform ,show the same instincts,falabilities as many other sires
Yes he's handpicking from a fairly large pool. I nearly made that point funnily enough. I still think there's a fairly unique mix of class, stamina, attitude and ability to handle the track that is ingrained in some of the best progeny of these stallions. Most notably Galileo without wanting to point out the obvious.
Yes he's handpicking from a fairly large pool. I nearly made that point funnily enough. I still think there's a fairly unique mix of class, stamina, attitude and ability to handle the track that is ingrained in some of the best progeny of these stallions. Most notably Galileo without wanting to point out the obvious.
seems AOB and the boys have given up the fight against all the top 10 furlong races,10 derby entries over the weekend and not a word about any of them showing a lot of speed even though that was the watch word for even the most obvious slow boats 2/3 seasons ago, now its all about stamina,durability, head down etc,etc
what's lost in all this AOB dominance talk is that Mahdmoon, who finished second is trained by Kevin prederghast and on another day could easily have won the race.
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