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but surely his best ever performance was his first champion win where the time beat standard ....which suggests that quicker ground suits him best
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it was bordering on soft ground in his 1st champion
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cant beat the standard on soft ground...impossible
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wonder...........are you rodders??
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pull up old quotes they attributed the win to ground being softer than described on the 1st day that year
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and regardless, he's an older horse now
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times are far more accurate to assess the going rather than a clerk of the courses opinion
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I agree but this was trainer & jockey quotes
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2017 they were worried ground wasn't going to be soft enough for buveur (going by the description) but when he won they said its riding softer than what they've called it
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how is their opinion different to the COTC..........you cant argue with time..........its science
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Times are of less use at the Festival imo because the large fields and stronger pace of most races misleads the stopwatch boys into thinking the going is on the fast side, even when jockey and horse in the winners enclosure are splattered with mud.
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whats that got to do with it...........the fact is he produced bis best performance on the quickest ground he had run on
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ramruna........times don't lie
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you cant beat the standard on soft ground............its IMPOSSIBLE
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I wouldn't want to say his first Champion Hurdle win was on categorically the quickest ground he has run on but it was nowhere near soft on the time and certainly a lot quicker than for his less impressive win in the 2018 Champion. I'd be inclined to think he is better on good/good to soft than really testing based on visual impressions and my view of the level of the form though I couldn't argue with his strike rate on very testing ground.
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Who sets THE standard?
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3m 50.90s (fast by 0.10s) hardly bordering on soft timewise is it Wonder?
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@cardiffc -- if the standard times are based on more slowly-run races, then yes they can lie or at least tell half-truths.
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not talking about times analysis
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I think he handles heavy but to be at his very best he needs good or at worst g\s............his best runs confirm that
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I think kempton showed you what will happen if its genuine good ground
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He'd have lagged up at Kempton without the blunder though.
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I don't think so
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I think he was done for toe by a horse who really does want a sharp 2m on good ground
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I would agree Verdana Blue had conditions very much in her favour but that blunder would have stopped almost any horse and he did well to recover and nearly win.
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wonders.........that race that day at Kempton was his 2nd best racing post speed figure behind his first champion hurdle win
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cardiff...do you understand the idea of opportunity cost?
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That's definitely true but I am not sure how relevant it is really. She isn't the sort of horse who is going to pull out a huge amount more for pressure.
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just even pace will do
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wonders......how do you assess soft going..........if you saw an horse beat the standard on his best ever run would you conclude he loved heavy ground??
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answer my question first please
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if I had the foggiest idea of what you mean I would
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then may I suggest you educate yourself as it will improve your understanding of times and how you are using times to form your opinions
a proper times analysis is not just about assessing how fast a horse has run, you need to understand how time figures are arrived at so that is ground, pace etc etc most festival races are run at a strong pace and on good jumping ground...so given that horses have had the best opportunity to run a big time figure take a winter trial race run on soft ground (eg the old agfa hurdle) small field run at a slow pace...the opportunity to run a big time figure is much more limited so comparing time figures between the 2 races & making inferences from them about preferences is total folly imo |
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got stuff to do now, will pick this up later
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what a load of crap....that champion hurdle was run at a fast pace and they beat standard..........what the F*** is tripping you up??....after that race because the jockeys and trainers said the ground was really soft.............did you honestly look at the next race and conclude I need to look for mud larks???????????????
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acts on any imo
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test
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Cardiff how come you promote speed ratings
As i understand it , they rely on |