Liquidity

hustled?

Yeah hustled. Did you ever get the feeling that you`re not seeing what is actually available in the bet and lay markets? Back in the day if you wanted to get £100 on something at 5/2 in the morning...no probs. These days you`ll have have to pick up bits and pieces all the way down to 2/1. Bots, PP...I don`t know whats going on on this site any more

Layers are not interested in markets many hours before the off time as has been the case for years now. If you want to bet in a proper market then you have to bet around 10 minutes before the off.

Or, go to last2minutes.com.

One of the reasons layers don't put up prices early is that they will be instantly undercut by bots.

IT is optional.
.

you get what the robot sees fit..simples as.

1.47 man has been busy on tomorrows

Feb 7, 2019 -- 1:30PM, Barton Bank wrote:

One of the reasons layers don't put up prices early is that they will be instantly undercut by bots.

only if their price is poor value.

How do you know layers don`t put up early prices any more. This is my point, do you trust what your computer screen/Betfair/PP is telling you?

oh another conspiracy theorist, just what the forum needs.

what would they gain by having practically no liquidity on view in their markets?

They get a mug like me to take their own 2/1 because I can`t see the 5/2 that you`ve put up. Then they go and lock in a profit by taking your 5/2. It`s simple really, you just need the right software. I don`t buy the idea that the morning markets are quiet these days. There has to be a logical reason for that.

kkkatt • February 7, 2019 3:39 PM GMT

a mug like me

at least you know what you are

have a break..

Get in line Dave.

Aint ya got a klan meeting to go to?

you get what the robot sees fit..simples as.

Yet another old thread on a quiet day

Trading rooms gone, liquidity gone, customers gone.. A sad state of affairs for the once dominant Betfair...

sanity ..gone.

do they either try and arrest the decline or allow it to keep heading in the same direction at an alarming rate?

Horse Racing I/R costs BF to subsidise small time in order to keep the Cash Cows,Soccer,Cricket, Tennis etc,Levels

How much do they actually make on those sports those? Lots of recycled money with comm only paid on net position isnt it?

all controlled by GPS and WOG now.

Surely WOG is the domain of Star,Rico

sundays are the worst day by far from what I seen

And have been for some considerable time,FF

gotten harder again this week..

Jamee seems to be AWOL,Rico

I don't think so, Irons.

How are things going,Jamee?

Slow since Christmas, but then Jan/Feb always the same.


2026-01-01 00:00

(yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm)     to    
2026-02-08 23:11

(yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm)   
Download to Spreadsheet  ?
Cricket: -£126.15 |
Darts: -£76.26 |
Football: -£930.46 |
Greyhound Racing: -£8.62 |
Horse Racing: £7,465.01 |
Tennis: -£100.00
Total P&L: £6,223.52

January has rarely been a source of untold wealth for me and any profit is acceptable.
Well done.Jamee

Thanks. I'm taking a few weeks off late feb/early march. Next year I think I will plan my hols for a bit earlier.

A wise choice for next year,Jamee.
Annual Flu Jabs have always made January a minefield

Horse Racing I/R costs BF to subsidise small time in order to keep the Cash Cows,Soccer,Cricket, Tennis etc,Levels

The most stupid comment ever by the guy who calls everyone else thick.

For months he's made accusations that Betfair are cheating by running their own bots I/R.

And now he's claiming that all this cheating is costing them money without explaining what is so expensive about offering I/R.

And the logic that they are only offering I/R to keep betting on other sports popular is ridiculous.

If they didn't offer I/R to please a very few customers it would stop thousands of customers from betting on the tennis or cricket.


If he's not calling people childish names or stating the absolute obvious he's bullsh*ting with comments like this in a desperate attempt
to convince others that he's the guy in the know.


He's nothing more than a cancer on this forum.

I will take a lucky guess that you do not bet I/R on horses because if you actually did you might have a clue about the subject but,of course,that has never prevented you from trying to ridicule others.
Go boil your head scrub buddy boy

20 years ago there were rarely races with

well that was a cliffhanger!! what I intended to say was

what percentage would the resident experts on here attribute to the following to the off the cliff decline in race liquidity?

a) financial checks
b) commission
c) sports betting instead of horse racing
d) ever more efficient BOTs scaring off clients
e) Other - please specify

All respondents will be entered into a draw!

a c d

d e a d

CHEATING

I will place a bet and the money dissappears and it moves in half/full point, it's like a cheat code to entice me to take a lower price (and the opposite if laying). This is in markets where there appears to be clear liquidity close to the off.

In confirmation of Gordon63's comment earlier, "All respondents will be entered into a draw!"....

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There is absolutely no doubt that BF Seed their Horse Racing Markets pre off and I/R. Whether that is cheating is open to debate and despite JML's statement earlier I have never said that it is.
I/R Horse Racing has been in a steady decline for years now and a combination of many factors has not helped.
Top of the list is the hideous Gambling Commission who have been allowed to dictate how punters spend their own money willingly helped by the Bookmakers

More rubbish from the industry expert.

Zero evidence as per usual.

Trying to distance yourself from all the accusations you've made
over the past 10 months about Betfair cheating the I/R.

I could easily say that Betfair only allowed you back on to the forum because
they knew you would kill it.

But I wouldn't because I only say things that can be backed up with evidence.

JML 09 Feb 26 17:05 
over the past 10 months about Betfair cheating the I/R.

so its all above board?

Until you or someone else prove otherwise.

impossible to prove ennithink..but,on the balance of probabilty its 99.85%.

Can you provide proof for that?

Just the usual nonsense from you.

You had a reputation for being a grass so perhaps you could explain
how they manage to keep the software people from spilling the beans.

If they are seeding the pre race and i/r markets, why do they not close the accounts of the consistent winners as other exchanges do?

JML is a pedant,simple as that,
If he thinks that BF Horse Racing Markets are not Seeded he needs Sectioning.
Can he prove otherwise

Are the £1 pounds in the boxes when they have just jumped off from punters,you total cretin,JML?

A 7 year old in a 75 year old body.

Don't worry--you'll have someone to talk to in a while when the carer comes to change your nappies.

"You had a reputation for being a grass so perhaps you could explain".

From what source,Pricko

JML 09 Feb 26 17:34 
A 7 year old in a 75 year old body.

Don't worry--you'll have someone to talk to in a while when the carer comes to change your nappies

And,Scrub Buddy Boy has the temerity of my making childish insults.
The irony

Majority of times theres 3 figures at a price and it's been there for a while JML and I press to back, suddenly it's gone and moves in half/whole point. This is obviously not normal and happens too often for it to be an anomaly.

99% of the time when i click to lay inside last 2f all the money in the pink vanishes instantly..strange when the bet takes 1 sec to submit..
99% of the time when i click with an overide i get backs and lays most done at my overide
99% of the time if i click to lay £5 @1000 last 2f when its 50 in the 1st box i get 20 bets of 3p-10p and £4.38 done at 1000

whats the average of 3 x 99%?

The Head Honcho from Bet Angel explained that it is "click bait" which is removed when you try to take it,Angela.
Anybody who has bet I/R on Snooker will confirm it

Support from the "Two Bobber" Aceform is conclusive proof of being a cretin

99% of the time when i click to lay inside last 2f all the money in the pink vanishes instantly..strange when the bet takes 1 sec to submit..

99% of the time if i click to lay £5 @1000 last 2f when its 50 in the 1st box i get 20 bets of 3p-10p and £4.38 done at 1000

Both can't be true

You need to take some time off Rico.

You keep spouting the same rubbish over and over again  all you've managed to do is to brainwash yourself.

Both can't be true 😆

The Snooker is even more clear,Rico.
A price will sit there until you try to take it and without a shot being made it vanishes just before the 5 Second delay expires.
BTW,I am referring to when I have a Feed  from the Dish.
Still,Scrub Buddy Boy knows best

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds
Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Highland Harvey
630
£0.08
£50.32
Highland Harvey
640
£0.02
£12.78
Highland Harvey
790
£0.02
£15.78
Highland Harvey
940
£0.19
£178.41
Highland Harvey
1,000
£4.69
£4,685.31

jussed coincidence JML?

99% of the time when i click to lay inside last 2f all the money in the pink vanishes instantly..strange when the bet takes 1 sec to submit..

So ALL the money didn't vanish then.

Of course it is Rico
Only the pedant is entitled to an opinion

Feb 9, 2026 -- 5:47PM, uptheirons wrote:

The Head Honcho from Bet Angel explained that it is "click bait" which is removed when you try to take it,Angela.Anybody who has bet I/R on Snooker will confirm it

Yeah. Very sad times. And the price tumbling is trying to get people willing to take a point less. Dodgy

He can guess posters age and their health status as well

Angela,we are dealing with PP whose delaying tactics on the phone whilst trying to get a bet on the dogs was legendary.
Why would they change?

You were all warned. Consistently.

Porter knew, the rest of you refused to listen.

Still fkng refuse.  Mad.

Paudys the biggest player on here. 

He can do anything he likes, he can see every bet, and it won't be to your advantage.

Nobody's checking him, nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

Feb 9, 2026 -- 7:53PM, hulk23 wrote:

You were all warned. Consistently. Porter knew, the rest of you refused to listen.Still fkng refuse.

JML 09 Feb 26 18:05 
99% of the time when i click to lay inside last 2f all the money in the pink vanishes instantly..strange when the bet takes 1 sec to submit..

So ALL the money didn't vanish then.

yes it vanished ewe fckn tatey...then paddis bot has 1 second to evaluate my request and think..oh,heres porter,that knts won over 3.3 million from us..he's offering 1000..give him a few pence ev price then the rest at the max.

Why the bad temper?Not many yellow stickers to be had at Asda?

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds
Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Highland Harvey
630
£0.08
£50.32
Highland Harvey
640
£0.02
£12.78
Highland Harvey
790
£0.02
£15.78
Highland Harvey
940
£0.19
£178.41
Highland Harvey
1,000
£4.69
£4,685.31


How can you match what's up there and it all vanished?

ive jussed explained ffs...

So ALL the money didn't vanish then.

yes it vanished ewe fckn tatey...then paddis bot has 1 second to evaluate my request and think..oh,heres porter,that knts won over 3.3 million from us..he's offering 1000..give him a few pence ev price then the rest at the max.

yes it vanished ewe fckn tatey...then paddis bot has 1 second to evaluate my request and think..oh,heres porter,that knts won over 3.3 million from us..he's offering 1000..give him a few pence ev price then the rest at the max.

Easy to prove if that is going on.

1) On one window show chart with the live amounts on offer at each price.
2) We can then see what you match and what the total matched amount was and compare all three.

So after all these years of screaming you now have the ability to prove it.

Obdurate cretin of the month award goes to the know F/A JML who clearly does not bet I/R on Horse Racing

The Bet Angel spokesperson clearly is speaking nonsense because the scrub buddy boy disagrees.
WAC

the amounts in the boxes are simply clickbait..all pounds morph into pences until you hit your over ride price.

you're way out of your depth JML...woffling sh1te constantly and clueless.

the amounts in the boxes are simply clickbait..all pounds morph into pences until you hit your over ride price.

If that's the case we'll all be able to see it with our own eyes although it's different to what you said before which was then

paddis bot has 1 second to evaluate my request and think..oh,heres porter,that knts won over 3.3 million from us..he's offering 1000..give him a few pence ev price then the rest at the max.



Strange that you seem quite reluctant to prove what you say is happening.

The Hulk would have a poster of you on his bedroom wall if you took this opportunity.


Time will tell which one of us two is woffling sh1te constantly and clueless.

ewe dont win 3.3 million pounds from bf by being clueless.

whats your bf lifetime p&l?

Why are you changing the subject.

3.3 million and chasing yellow sticker trolley round Asda.

Bob Marley once said  Some people are so poor, all they have is money


which I think sums you up perfectly.

3.3 million and chasing yellow sticker trolley round Asda.

now you're making unfounded insinuations?

before we go to far off the subject here is a reminder

1) On one window show chart with the live amounts on offer at each price.
2) We can then see what you match and what the total matched amount was and compare all three.

So after all these years of screaming you now have the ability to prove it.

Don't worry---I'm not holding my breath.

the amounts in the boxes are simply clickbait..all pounds morph into pences until you hit your over ride price.

If only the clueless motormouth would hold his breath

Anyone who thought paudy was paying good money to control this joint, and thought he wasn't going to ride everyone on here for his own gains.  Is a grade A mug.

Think about it ffs.  Paudy, greedy fkng bookie, mug your grannie for 12 pence.

Controlling the exchange?  Let's be reasonable here lads.

Scrub Buddy Boy will ask you to prove that,Hulk

yes it vanished ewe fckn tatey...then paddis bot has 1 second to evaluate my request and think..oh,heres porter,that knts won over 3.3 million from us..he's offering 1000..give him a few pence ev price then the rest at the max.

I'm lost by the ongoing debate surrounding who knows best how the exchange works (IMO I expect it's the code writers although Post Office/Horizon shows this is not always the case!) but what I do know is that people not even rico win 'from us' because it's peer to peer UNLESS rico is saying that the majority of business is in fact punter vs exchange BOTs???

formally was 'pier-pier'

knott ennimare.

There is a World of difference between Volume (the amount traded on the event) and Liquidity(the availability to trade on the event).
In high volume events such as P/L Soccer people have the opportunity,either pre off or during,the money is definitely there for trading purposes.
In a typical 0 to 60 at Wolverhampton no such opportunity is possible after half way in most races.
The pitiful amounts that you see are simply "click bait" provided by the BF Bot to promote the illusion of liquidity.
As has been pointed out by many posters,when you attempt to take any it disappears (The 1 second advantage that BF have).
Do I expect the pedant JML to accept this?
Not on your life.
Try it and see

I am trading games of basketball till 2005,21 years no stop every single day apart 1 month in summer,(i am from south Europe and in my country is very famous basketball) the declining liquidity of the last years on basketball games has enormous impact especially in Europe basketball as are not big markets like cricket,tennis and football.Unfortunatelly Uptheirons has absolutely right,i am full of  "click bait"  amounts facing almost empty boxes.Still survive but i dont know how much longer.The only i can do is trying harder and hope....

iz ewe hat cort syde?