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Full of small field weak grade ones.
Should they have watered?
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Yes, indeed Freddie, even with ground issues think it has been a cracking meeting so far.
layers have got a short money after the xmas meeting
How can you water when frost enforces a precautionary inspection?
Feb 3, 2019 -- 2:54PM, jmdc wrote:
How can you water when frost enforces a precautionary inspection?
you cant
I must admit I hate the track but it beats Southwell.
It's looked like that every race has been run slow and then they've sprinted up the straight
all trainers love to blab on about their horses have speed would prefer good ground blah,blah goes on heavy but better on good then when they get good ground they all come out, 
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bad for breding sheds if say their horse love slow ground
,bad for breding sheds if say their horse love slow ground
Yeah your right duffy….It just don't look like proper National Hunt Racing.
There's a sort of untrustworthy look to all these races, something goes on, get's it's own way at a crawl, then they all get stacked up a bit turning in and then it all goes a bit mad, it's a bit like watching Patrick Mullins in the final furlong of a bumper over and over again.
Yeah I would be taking form from this meeting with a pinch of salt,
running on the same ground they will more than likely face at Cheltenham, let's see if they pull them out on that occasion
I would be surprised if by the friday on new course its not bordering on g/f (obviously won't be called)
Is it a disaster? Small fields but plenty of clues for Cheltenham which is half the point. The books will hate it after today's first five jollies copped, following the four good things Saturday.
Leopardstown blames 'impossible situation' as fast ground decimates big meeting
By Richard Forristal
UPDATED 3:43PM, FEB 3 2019
Leopardstown's clerk of the course Lorcan Wyer said on Sunday the track's groundstaff were in an impossible position due to the unusual weather patterns as firm ground prompted a glut of non-runners in the Unibet Irish Gold Cup and the rest of Sunday's showpiece card.
In the €125,000 Grade 1 highlight, six of the ten declared runners were scratched on the basis of unsuitable ground, after the going on the chase course was changed from good on Saturday to good, good to firm in places on Sunday.
In total, the second leg of the Dublin Racing Festival was hit by 25 non-runners, of which 22 were due to the unusually fast conditions.
Champion trainer Willie Mullins was philosophical about the matter, describing it as "a once-in-a-lifetime weather situation".
The below average level of rainfall had already rendered the ground drier than normal, but with the country covered in frost and/or snow all week, Wyer explained that the track's hands were tied in terms of what they could do to ensure conditions that were acceptably soft for winter-ground horses – the main fear being that watering would have increased the risk of the meeting being lost to frost.
"In the lead into this meeting, ten days before this fixture, we were given a forecast by Met Eireann of 40-50mm of rainfall," Wyer said.
"We got maybe 20mm of that, and we started off on the Monday of this week with a forecast of 20mm to 40mm of rain, sleet or snow, and sub-zero temperatures all week.
"Watering with that forecast, particularly with the sub-zero aspect, would be alien to me. I'm not sure any other track would go along those lines.
"The forecast was for temperatures to be at their lowest on Friday night. At Dublin airport it got down to minus six, and we got down to minus three or four here. I'm not sure watering is the right thing to do given such circumstances, even though we've ended up where we are."
Of the prevailing ground, he said: "It suits a good-actioned horse, but clearly it's not ideal for real winter types. Last year you'd lose your wellies, so deep was the ground at this meeting. It's just a different dynamic this year."
Noel Meade, who saddled Road To Respect to finish second in the Gold Cup, was among those who sympathised with the situation the track found themselves in.
"I think Lorcan is right," he said. "If they'd watered heavily during the week, or last weekend, and got the frost we got Friday night, we might not have been racing at all.
"And if they'd watered and got the rainfall that was forecast, there would be people giving out that it was too heavy.
"It's a Catch-22 situation. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. The way it's turned out today, you would have loved if they had watered, but hindsight is a fine thing. They were in an impossible situation."
Wyer added a review would take place to consider how to manage such circumstances in future. "There maybe has to be a conversation about watering in sub-zero temperatures," he said.
"Myself and [racecourse manger] Pat Keogh and track foreman Willie Gibbons discussed our options and we had to make a decision. Like after any festival, we'll sit down and dissect where we've ended up and have a conversation about it. It was an unusual situation."
By Richard Forristal
UPDATED 3:43PM, FEB 3 2019
Leopardstown's clerk of the course Lorcan Wyer said on Sunday the track's groundstaff were in an impossible position due to the unusual weather patterns as firm ground prompted a glut of non-runners in the Unibet Irish Gold Cup and the rest of Sunday's showpiece card.
In the €125,000 Grade 1 highlight, six of the ten declared runners were scratched on the basis of unsuitable ground, after the going on the chase course was changed from good on Saturday to good, good to firm in places on Sunday.
In total, the second leg of the Dublin Racing Festival was hit by 25 non-runners, of which 22 were due to the unusually fast conditions.
Champion trainer Willie Mullins was philosophical about the matter, describing it as "a once-in-a-lifetime weather situation".
The below average level of rainfall had already rendered the ground drier than normal, but with the country covered in frost and/or snow all week, Wyer explained that the track's hands were tied in terms of what they could do to ensure conditions that were acceptably soft for winter-ground horses – the main fear being that watering would have increased the risk of the meeting being lost to frost.
"In the lead into this meeting, ten days before this fixture, we were given a forecast by Met Eireann of 40-50mm of rainfall," Wyer said.
"We got maybe 20mm of that, and we started off on the Monday of this week with a forecast of 20mm to 40mm of rain, sleet or snow, and sub-zero temperatures all week.
"Watering with that forecast, particularly with the sub-zero aspect, would be alien to me. I'm not sure any other track would go along those lines.
"The forecast was for temperatures to be at their lowest on Friday night. At Dublin airport it got down to minus six, and we got down to minus three or four here. I'm not sure watering is the right thing to do given such circumstances, even though we've ended up where we are."
Of the prevailing ground, he said: "It suits a good-actioned horse, but clearly it's not ideal for real winter types. Last year you'd lose your wellies, so deep was the ground at this meeting. It's just a different dynamic this year."
Noel Meade, who saddled Road To Respect to finish second in the Gold Cup, was among those who sympathised with the situation the track found themselves in.
"I think Lorcan is right," he said. "If they'd watered heavily during the week, or last weekend, and got the frost we got Friday night, we might not have been racing at all.
"And if they'd watered and got the rainfall that was forecast, there would be people giving out that it was too heavy.
"It's a Catch-22 situation. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. The way it's turned out today, you would have loved if they had watered, but hindsight is a fine thing. They were in an impossible situation."
Wyer added a review would take place to consider how to manage such circumstances in future. "There maybe has to be a conversation about watering in sub-zero temperatures," he said.
"Myself and [racecourse manger] Pat Keogh and track foreman Willie Gibbons discussed our options and we had to make a decision. Like after any festival, we'll sit down and dissect where we've ended up and have a conversation about it. It was an unusual situation."
no doubt a few irishman will tell me again at cheltenham this year, the English daren't go over for this meeting
Feb 3, 2019 -- 3:18PM, acey deucy wrote:
Yeah I would be taking form from this meeting with a pinch of salt,
Think the form will stand up well myself
1st race on Saturday, LAST HURDLE BOTH CIRCUITS OMITTED BECAUSE OF LOW SUN! AT FRICKIN 12,50??????? Does this set the record for earliest race in the day to have hurdles omitted because of low sun? What a joke.
Yes absolute joke they had 12 months to plan the fixture and couldn’t even get it sorted properly where the sun would be on Saturday afternoon at 1250 ,it’s amazing between them all the couldn’t come up with a simple solution like running the races right handed instead of left handed or moved it to another racecourse that morning when it was clear the sun was going to be a problem.
I enjoyed the racing, especially the performances of those good mares. If they'd watered and the forecast rain had arrived they'd have got complaints from the same people whingeing now.
duffy 03 Feb 19 15:14 Joined: 28 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 20,221 | Blogger: duffy's blog
There's a sort of untrustworthy look to all these races, something goes on, get's it's own way at a crawl, then they all get stacked up a bit turning in and then it all goes a bit mad, it's a bit like watching Patrick Mullins in the final furlong of a bumper over and over again.
I agree with this as well, it's definitely got a different look about it to our racing.
There's a sort of untrustworthy look to all these races, something goes on, get's it's own way at a crawl, then they all get stacked up a bit turning in and then it all goes a bit mad, it's a bit like watching Patrick Mullins in the final furlong of a bumper over and over again.
I agree with this as well, it's definitely got a different look about it to our racing.
Low sun is low sun no matter what time of the day it is. I used to get annoyed too about all the omissions however, I’ll happily put up with them if starters could be relied upon for consistent efficiency. The biggest bugbear in Racing for me.
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