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GEORGE.B
30 Dec 18 12:37
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if the result hasn't been called? Confused
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Report broadsword December 30, 2018 12:37 PM GMT
numpties
Report broadsword December 30, 2018 12:38 PM GMT
last price mathced storm melody 4.7
Report Jack Bauer '24' December 30, 2018 12:39 PM GMT
Absolute clowns.
Report sparrow December 30, 2018 12:40 PM GMT
They never learn.
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:40 PM GMT
Shambles. Effing amateurs.
Report sparrow December 30, 2018 12:41 PM GMT
Costing their company thousands by their incompetence.
Report granitjack December 30, 2018 12:41 PM GMT
Didn’t see the race. What has won?
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:41 PM GMT
must be a DH now shirley
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:41 PM GMT
still noone knows Shocked
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 12:41 PM GMT
is the judge waiting for the market to be reopened?
Report BennyBinion1 December 30, 2018 12:42 PM GMT
Does anyone know the winner!!???
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:42 PM GMT
Have they emailed it to Australia?

This is pathetic.
Report granitjack December 30, 2018 12:42 PM GMT
I’m on Storm melody fingers crossed Cry
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:42 PM GMT
storm melody Laugh
Report Biscar Two from a mile back December 30, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
Do you think we will see that photo ?
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
15 mins and they probably got it wrong.
Report batman50 December 30, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
Who knows?
Report granitjack December 30, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
Thanks striding happy days Excited
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
that was brutal
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:44 PM GMT
wd jack Wink
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:44 PM GMT
Its a dead heat.
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:44 PM GMT
no it isn't
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:45 PM GMT
Oh yes it is. (Not officially)
Report broadsword December 30, 2018 12:45 PM GMT
white nose in front on top photo
Report stridingedge December 30, 2018 12:45 PM GMT
yes thought it was going a bit panto there born to win Grin
Report BornToWin December 30, 2018 12:46 PM GMT
That's the mirror image broadsword. Both heads inseparable on the line.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 12:46 PM GMT
did they call the wrong result ?  someone swiped the lot on the kirby horse just before suspension, last price matched 1.37 despite storm melody being 2's on for the duration ...
Report posy December 30, 2018 1:22 PM GMT
https://media.britishhorseracing.com/images/photofinish/hireswatermark/2018_16281_0.jpg

no arguing with the photo
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 1:33 PM GMT
no arguing? you cannot see the horse on this side..the white blaze is what they deemed 2nd?
Report broadsword December 30, 2018 1:34 PM GMT
mirror image still showing white nose in front
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 1:35 PM GMT
https://imgur.com/a/IGCRazu
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 1:41 PM GMT
https://imgur.com/a/xKtxg4G

cancel 1st one..a foot before line the 2nd is in front...the bha print does not show the deemed to be winner.
Report posy December 30, 2018 1:51 PM GMT
What do you mean the bha print doesn't show the winner ??  red/white colours clearly shown
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 2:05 PM GMT
in the mirror image all you can see is the 2nd
Report mrcombustible December 30, 2018 4:14 PM GMT
Suzanne the Betfair Monkey who usually covers Lingfield was not on course today. I suspect that is why the market was not reopened. I do not know if they had a replacement on track.

None of the jockeys knew what had won.

The photo was not exhibited on track
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 4:16 PM GMT
Mr C, the photo market did open for 2 or 3 minutes, but suspended several minutes before the result was called.
Report mrcombustible December 30, 2018 4:17 PM GMT
Thanks George B I was not aware of that
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 4:32 PM GMT
something definitely happened to precipitate the suspension.  whatever it was also caused a massive swipe of ventriloquists odds just before the suspension, everything stolen down to 1.37   shafter seems to be getting very animated, posting photo finish prints etc which usually means he's dropped a packet and is considering contacting his MP about the official result
Report mrcombustible December 30, 2018 4:35 PM GMT
Maybe they suspended because they had no one on track and thought that after 3 minutes the result should have been called so suspended to be on the safe side?
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 4:37 PM GMT
doesn't explain the 'i just heard the result before everybody else' move for ventriloquist ...
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 8:48 PM GMT
no-one shows the still on the line..once people see the sl mo on atr people react,is that to difficult to fathom out?
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 8:54 PM GMT
if you find out the reason for the suspension you will find out why someone wanted to swipe a wodge on the eventual 2nd, because they heard something that led them to believe the 2nd had won, a couple of seconds before the suspend monkey heard it.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 9:01 PM GMT
the suspension wasn't due to the result being announced, it was due to something else.  which is why the OP started the fred.   someone knew what that was before the suspend monkey knew.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:05 PM GMT
Willie Shafter.    30 Dec 18 20:48 
no-one shows the still on the line..once people see the sl mo on atr people react,is that to difficult to fathom out?

hulk23    30 Dec 18 21:01 
the suspension wasn't due to the result being announced,

you dont say Laugh
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:06 PM GMT
hulk23    30 Dec 18 21:01 
the suspension wasn't due to the result being announced, it was due to something else.

like what exactly?
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 9:10 PM GMT
the market had reacted, the winner was 2's on.  fair enough, it won.  but it went to 4.7 (last matched) one second before the suspension. 
and the second went 1.37

i've no idea why it was suspended, but it was about 3 minutes before they announced the result.  is that normal ??
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 9:10 PM GMT
on course rep caught short?
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 9:17 PM GMT
hulk, judging from the time of the posts on this thread, it was more like 6 or 7 minutes at least

it had been suspended 2 or 3 minutes before I started the thread
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:18 PM GMT
i came into the office 5min after the race while they were waiting for the result,i replayed it on atr and screenshotted the pic that i posted...imo 1 foot before the line then 2nd was inches in front..they went over the line together unsplittable imo..on the bha print the winner isnt shown in the mirror image..only the 2nd which has the white blaze...im not convinced the correct result was given.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:19 PM GMT
the other day there were 2 photos at ling..non were opened,im not sure the had an ocr in attendance.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:20 PM GMT
it took 12mins to call the result.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 9:22 PM GMT
you couldn't split them but one second before the market was suspended someone was willing to go 4.7 the winner, which had previously been a solid 2's on shot.

one second before the suspend ??
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:30 PM GMT
opinion.
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 9:31 PM GMT
On the ATR coverage, at 12.33.27, when they show the slow mo, it looked like Kirby's mount had dipped it's head at just the right time.

So regarding the betting flip flop, I think watching live people thought Storm Melody had got there, but the slow mo told a different story?

And I think the market suspended within seconds of that slow mo being shown.
Report GEORGE.B December 30, 2018 9:32 PM GMT
* its head
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:32 PM GMT
im assuming the prices changed when atr showed the slo mo..while waiting for the result the lad beside me said when i came in,it looked like this side won live but on the slo mo i think ventro has won and had a monkey on.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:33 PM GMT
correct george.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 9:36 PM GMT
fairly amazing coincidence that their 'opinion' played itself out on the market exactly one second before the suspend monkey hit the button.  i would say both actions were based on the same information, we don't know what that was.  But it would appear the information they received was complete bullsh!t.  Unfortunately SadLaugh
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:53 PM GMT
the other day there was a close finish...within secs they were betting 1.5 and 2.8 ish..i put frame by frame on live on atr on line as i do ev photo and shouted the outsider has won..at the same time it went 1.05..i only got 1.2 down...it only takes a split sec for the market to flip.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 9:54 PM GMT
as i tell everyone..never ever bet as you see them go over live.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 10:16 PM GMT
does the market always suspend 1 second after ATR put up the slow mo and 10 minutes before they call the result

didn't think so ...
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 10:19 PM GMT
never suspends till result is announced on track..dont know todays reason.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 11:00 PM GMT
neither do i.  but as i said earlier if you find why the market was suspended ... you will also find out why someone was going gung-ho one second before the suspend monkey pressed the button.  it was a pre-suspend swipe, you're familiar with them, think you got a warning about them.
Report Willie Shafter. December 30, 2018 11:02 PM GMT
can only assume either no ocr and were premature or they lost the connection.
Report hulk23 December 30, 2018 11:08 PM GMT
you know the score William - 1.53 to 4.7 and then one second later it suspends for no apparent reason.  I'll let people make their own mind up ... leave it at that.
Report mrcombustible January 5, 2019 5:54 PM GMT
Had it confirmed today.

There was no Betfair representative on track last Sunday.

Their representative was sick.
Report hulk23 January 6, 2019 9:09 AM GMT
doesn't explain the suspension 1 second post-swipe.  someone had been told / found out ventriloquist had won that race, swiped the odds available and laid the eventual winner 1.53 to 4.7.  one second later the market just happened to suspend, as if by magic.  however someone must have questioned that 'initial decision' - heated debate followed and 10 minutes later the other one was called the winner.  my opinion based on what i saw.
Report posy January 6, 2019 9:32 AM GMT
Mr C I'm very interested to understand how the suspend procedure works. I know you're hugely knowledgeable about Lingfield ; with regard  to the usual girl  does she suspend when she hears the words "here is the result..." or is she given an early warning signal to allow her a few more seconds to suspend the markets ?
Report GEORGE.B January 6, 2019 11:04 AM GMT
So is Mr C saying Betfair opened the photo market despite having no-one on track and then just took a guess as to when the result may be called, and were about 8 minutes out?
Report hulk23 January 6, 2019 11:12 AM GMT
the swipe and the suspend should be mutually exclusive, if so the chances of them happening within a second of each other is virtually nil.
Report mrcombustible January 6, 2019 6:45 PM GMT
Posy when there is a photo or stewards enquiry called  she is on her mobile to the office. She does not get an early warning. As soon as she hears them saying over the tannoy, "The result is" she tells the person on the other end of the phone to suspend.

It is the same procedure with the start and finish of a race, she is watching from the grandstand and relaying the information to her office who do the suspension.

I cannot explain what happened last Sunday as they had no one on the track, my guess is they suspended after 2.5 minutes because they thought the result must be out by now. Maybe when they saw they big move they assumed the result was known.
Report hulk23 January 6, 2019 7:38 PM GMT
hmmm, ok.  so the massive PPBF organisation, a listed company, uses a very advanced system to suspend markets which involves a person sitting in a room somewhere trying to guess when a result has been announced based on them seeing larger than expected market movements ... which themselves would be a result of someone having already heard the result being announced. 

heard it all now ... Laugh
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 7:57 PM GMT
hulk still grasping at straws..Crazy
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 7:58 PM GMT
It is the same procedure with the start and finish of a race, she is watching from the grandstand and relaying the information to her office who do the suspension.

absolute tosh
Report koi January 6, 2019 8:15 PM GMT
He is correct I was present in Betfair box and could not believe my eyes as she kept losing signal.
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:19 PM GMT
the ocr does not instruct the suspend or unsuspend..
Report hulk23 January 6, 2019 8:24 PM GMT
seem to know everything, so why was this market suspended 10 minutes before the result was announced ?
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:31 PM GMT
nee eye deer.
Report mrcombustible January 6, 2019 8:34 PM GMT
Willie please enlighten us.
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:43 PM GMT
regarding what?
Report posy January 6, 2019 8:44 PM GMT
Many thanks Mr C . Somewhat surprised that the 'suspend' is so low tech. Next time I'm at the course I'll look out for her
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:44 PM GMT
It is the same procedure with the start and finish of a race, she is watching from the grandstand and relaying the information to her office who do the suspension.

so why does the unsuspend happen after 50 yds and the suspend 50 yds past the line?
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:46 PM GMT
its done from bf towers by the quickest pics they have...if they lost reception the race occasionally wouldnt go into play woodit.
Report hulk23 January 6, 2019 8:53 PM GMT
someone's going to have to tell that bird she's been wasting her time on the phone for the past 20 years ...
Report Willie Shafter. January 6, 2019 8:55 PM GMT
the ocr does instruct them on photos and inq's.
Report mrcombustible January 9, 2019 5:21 PM GMT
Willie sorry but your information is wrong.

The OCR is on her mobile to PPBF in Dublin and she says suspend as soon as the stalls open and when they go by the line. Obviously if there is problems with her mobile reception they use TV pictures as a back up.
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