Andrew Gibson - Pro punter

no and  he's one of the best they have on limited evidence.

Exactly what I thought - 7/2 in one place only 1/5 odds.

Sounds like a talking formbook, loads of ratings and trainer stats which presumably are available to anyone. What I want from a pundit, particularly at this time of the year, is some idea of fitness. He hasn't mentioned that at all so he presumably hasn't got the confidence/knowledge  to actually assess the horses condition. That is the only real point in having a pundit.

Pro punters should hold strong opinions, non on RUK with the possible exception of J. Neeson, have a view until the race is over.

Nothing wrong with napping a 7/2 shot each way (even if many people can't get on). Don't know the guy but lets give him a chance. Neeson and Fremantle set the standard for me but there are a few others who are decent and worth listening to.

he selected the winner...hard crowd on hear.

So the people who rate him just because he picks a winner can't you make your own selections?

Nothing wrong with tipping a 7/2 shot but it hardly makes you stand out from the crowd. Just about anyone could put that up. It is hardly what you would call adventurous.

"sam england has every right to be pleased with himself there"

whoopsie

kate & sandy part (ii)

His nap has not won. It hasn't run yet.

sam post op

given the fair we are normally given this guy knows his onions.....Andy talks a lot of sense and as such unlikely to get too many gigs....

Another smooth-talking spiv who has never met Sam England!  I was starting to believe his confident patter.

how can you take anybody seriously who doesn't know whether a trainer is a man or a woman?

sam drake
been married to jonny (england) quite a long time now
unforgiveable lack of knowledge

Any so called pro punter that quotes stats continuously  is not a pro punter. HTHs.

has he mentioned Enda Bolger yet?

He managed to get the 'plug' for his website, membership costs are £335 until end of March 

victoria smith would have him totally bamboozled

what would a pro punter say to losing punters on a tv channel loper ?

I must admit, he has done the Pauline Nicholls stable tour, so not all bad.

His nap just came 4th.

He's now saying that the Skelton yard need to deceive the h'capper  and get their beast dropped by 10lb for a spring campaign.

Should he be saying this openly on tv?

Pro punters don't actually spend the afternoon reading out stats on a tv channel, though, howard.

Well, at least not until the tank runs out.

He's another of those pro punters that uses Proform, no doubt he doesn't have to pay for it because it is splashed all over his web page, the one that so called pro punters have for income.

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Who's Andy?

Anyone paying any money for "tips" needs urgent medical attention

yeah especially if they've had the end of it snipped off!

Dept ford is correct.
If you can't make regular long term profits with your own selections - give this game up.
Because you sure as hell won't by following so called professional tipsters.

The form book goes out the window for most races of class 3 and less, its the money that talks

After the first race he didn't get that much right and even in that race he narrowed it down to two, one of which you needed a search party to find.

He seems to revolve around stats, more stats, a bit of inside information and shorties. Is that par for the course for a pro punter?

To be fair he did provide a bit of amusement. Clearly his prepared party piece was to suggest half the field wouldn't exactly be trying in the day's best race when in fact the whole field were clearly quite happy to pick up first prize. Compounded things by still suggesting afterwards that the winning connections could easily be kicking themselves for the winning the race. Why not just admit you read the race completely wrong?   

On a different tack why were they in a booth? I know Howard has problems but the rest of them are surely fit enough to stand in the paddock?

Is this same guy who used to do the ATR Cheltenham preview??

Does he and his clientele get on with the books?

Doubt it denz.

Unfortunately, Andy has antagonized most of the main trainers in Britain today. He has identified their need to pull horses to achieve a decent handicap mark, and in doing so has incurred their wrath for supporting RUK in future.  He will disappear, to be replaced by the pathetic ginger bastard and equally useless idiots that "tip" on RUK.  I admire your approach Andy, but everyone will now think that racing is bent, which is clearly not the case.  Love Andrew Thornton.

Nov 4, 2018 -- 6:37PM, GHOSTOFALEXBIRD wrote:

Doubt it denz.

How can he guarantee a profit and loss for his clients when there is F All liquidity most of the day and the racetime markets are a lottery? In the patter above bookies are mentioned albeit at Cheltenham strange never had any of my old accounts changed just because it was Cheltenham.
Can't stand any of the charlatans if they had any decency whatsoever they'd do it on their own without any gravy thieving from the game or fleecing those that know less,just my opinion of course.

From his site. A glowing testimony from one of his disciples.

'No weekends homework is complete without first taking a good look at the work Andy Gibson sends me'

Mick Fitzgerald

Has he got a results page where his tips are proofed?

I wonder if Fitzgerald received a fee for that quote

Probably puts Andrew's tips on his own thieving service.

I'm trying to get me heed round how it works, Denzil

He reviews the races and then gives tips for Cheltenham?

Gawd knows

another pointless character assassination thread on betfair

who wouldve thunk it

anyone know if Mapletoft does something similar for the AW Finals day?

Nov 4, 2018 -- 11:30PM, kjansch wrote:

another pointless character assassination thread on betfairwho wouldve thunk it

I'll gladly assassinate any tipsters who make money from the game just bring up some more names and I'll be there.

Not sure where the 'character' bit comes in? Surely anyone is allowed an opinion?

Nobody is stopping glowing references although it would be nice to know whether they are from chums/subscribers.

At least I don't need a freebie to give an opinion.

If he is the same guy from ATR he wasn't much good.He was about 45 to 50 with curly hair and glasses.Was a really nice guy but would put you in workhouse if you followed his tips.

The description sounds about right. I don't remember him on ATR which isn't a great sign. Obviously, he has since jumped ship.

I am open minded to any pundit but they need to add something, particularly on a specialist channel, that with a little effort I can't do myself. That something is an assessment of fitness and on that score he didn't deliver at all. If you can't do that there isn't much point actually being on track. Personally, I am not really bothered if any pundit 7 winners or 7 losers although credibility wouldn't exactly be enhanced by the losers.

"Nothing wrong with napping a 7/2 shot each way (even if many can't get on)"

Not sure about that, presumably as a pro he can't get on. Nevison regularly goes on about "thieving each way bets" when we all know they are not generally available.

Nov 5, 2018 -- 1:18PM, adamski wrote:

"Nothing wrong with napping a 7/2 shot each way (even if many can't get on)"Not sure about that, presumably as a pro he can't get on. Nevison regularly goes on about "thieving each way bets" when we all know they are not generally available.

It's a scandalous scenario this selective bet acceptance which isn't about money and a total shambles.
Was telling someone about the David Evans scenario yesterday he can get £6000 on and a bigger price whilst us not in the game struggle to get £6 on at a shorter price and they're training the horses.

7/2 shot each way could be good value but not impressed tipping that price each way in a competitive handicap at fifth the odds.

I can honestly say I've NEVER EVER backed a horses ew below 5/1 in my 28 year betting life and not at 5/1 in the last 11 years,Birchy used to tip 9/4 shots ew  sure if anyone attempted the same they'd be restricted immediately.

if he shows me his jet, his yacht and the Caribbean island he's bought from his winnings on the horses i might sign up for a week ...


.... didn't think so.

DD , an accurate assessment of fitness would be very useful but firstly how would ANYONE know this about several runners from different yards ? Secondly if anyone HAD great knowledge of this I suggest they would keep it to themselves. Really you can't hope for anything more than a good judge of horses ability.

The dark art of paddock watching

Unless you go racing every day, and get to know how the horses from each yard tend to look when they're fit and when they're backward, then you're almost better off ignoring the paddock.

Few punters go every day now, because of this place, and probably even fewer tipsters.

hulk23: Mark Holder had a go at that sort of thing - his adverts used to feature himself sporting Raybans and too much hair gel, standing beside a red sports car outside a mock-Tudor new-build.

I always wondered whether there was a further photo featuring the owner emerging from his front door and chasing the perky protipster away.

always ensure your protipster claims to live in a mock-Tudor new-build before parting with your cash ..

Nov 5, 2018 -- 2:12PM, GEORGE.B wrote:

The dark art of paddock watching

Ozzie James aint bad

I always wondered whether there was a further photo featuring the owner emerging from his front door and chasing the perky protipster away.

SFBTW

Ive a mate who is into paddock watching and swears by it  and my other mate who goes racing reckons they all look the same.

If you have a working knowledge of horseflesh then I would have thought it was far from impossible to tell if a horse was likely fit or not. Yes, you are never going to get it right every time. You are right there is no point bluffing as several on RUK try to do. Morrison was one of the few who seemed to have some idea in that direction but it appears RUK have kicked him into touch.

One of 60 who qualified from over 3000 entries for the last Racing Post Champion Tipster Competition. Got to the last four of the competition but couldn`t beat yours truly. Clearly knows his horses but dismisses the clock which for me is his downfall.

Are you Karl Hedley?

Close.

Karl Marx?

.. Harpo. ?

Ginger?

howard?

Fitness and the formbook not always the most straightforward combo I'd imagine there'd be plenty of 'woulda backed that but thought it wasn't fit' or fittest horse not the best handicapped or best form wise,too much potential indecision I think.

I saw Gibson at a Cheltenham preview night in Dublin last year. I noted two things he said. "Fancy of the week is Mister Whitaker" and "Killultagh Vic no chance in Gold Cup".

is this the bloke on lucky on sunday, bit of Winstanley about him