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Badly hampered then virtually floored, hopefully ok as may well have won with a clear run
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Would have won for sure
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Roche knows he's there and he's whipped his horse to close the gap off. He should be disqualified for dangerous riding imo, end of.
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wasnt enough of a gap really imo
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winner stayed straight
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Badly hampered?
Barged Tosen Ciara out of the way before going for a non existent gap between the front two. It should be disqualified more than the front two be in trouble. |
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Looked a smart animal to recover from the first incident and concur would have won.
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I was there today and thought he should have won easily given a clear run. Roche had his whip in the wrong hand for starters , there was plenty of room for the horse to go through before the incident, Lyons came out a little as well and that was the difference between Roche been fired out...I had no bet on the race...
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george im embarrassed by your comment.
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The point is this, once Roche knows there is a horse on his inner and between the two horses, he should be taking steps to ensure he keeps his mount straight, not to whip his horse to the point that his mount edges left and closes the gap, thus forcing DM's mount out of the gap, which results in him nearly clipping heels and going down. There should never be a win at any costs mentality among jockeys.
Luckily, McDonagh and his mount escaped unscathed. At Kempton several months ago, there was an incident where a jockey and his mount were forced out of a gap, as that happened, the horse clipped heels and the jockey was catapulted into the ground with tragic consequences. Incidents like the one tonight should be jumped on from a great height by stewards. |
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'that his mount edges left'
you said it,that does not constitute 'dangerous riding. |
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53.1 A Rider is guilty of dangerous riding if he causes serious interference by
53.1.1 purposely interfering with another horse or Rider, or 53.1.2 riding in a way that is far below that of a competent and careful Rider and where it would be obvious to such a competent and careful Rider that riding in that way was likely to endanger the safety of a horse or Rider. |
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it's not selective editing, shafter
The point is this, once Roche knows there is a horse on his inner and between the two horses, he should be taking steps to ensure he keeps his mount straight, not to whip his horse to the point that his mount edges left and closes the gap, thus forcing DM's mount out of the gap, which results in him nearly clipping heels and going down. There should never be a win at any costs mentality among jockeys. We'll have to agree to differ. My 22.03 post is my final post on it. |
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totally clueless.
so,your saying if a jockey gives a horse a crack and it edges left,that can be deemed dangerous riding.  |
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Grow up.
If a jockey's well aware that his actions are blocking another horse's path, then yes, imo I would deem that dangerous. A horse and jockey nearly ended up on the floor, if you think that's funny then keep laughing. |
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There has been two really bad instances of dangerous riding in Ireland this week , one in Listowel and last night's episode. The Stewards need to take these happening seriously before they escalate and a bad injury or even worse happens...
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Imo Roche knew the other horse was there and should have taken measures to avoid contact, instead he changed whip hands and came right across the Weld horse, I'm sure Dermot will be having a word this morning...
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he probably should have changed whip hands again alright but still dont think it was as bad as people reckon. admittedly it could have been but luckily it wasnt
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Your never going to try to let another horse through a small gap (if you're trying to win of course), why would you when you're in front.
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Though if anything look to me like the one on the rail came off it and blocked it more than the other.
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it was an incident that could have been worse but could never have it as dangerous riding. it seems to me that he is being criticised for pulling his whip through, imo you are making a huge assumption that the horse would go left because of it. horse hang into the whip, the hang away from the whip and they run straight for the whip. i cant see anyway he would have known the horse would go left. it surely cant be expected for a jockey not to use his whip in this circumstance on the chance the horse would hang away from it? if he hadnt used it who is to say the horse still wouldnt have gone left? if he hadnt used it he would have been accused of not trying. its an unfortunate incident for numerous reasons looked worse than it was but no way dangerous imho
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It seems to me some people are saying jockeys should be free to use their whips freely and if their mounts hang into the path of another horse as a consequence, or contribute to another horse being squeezed out of a gap, then it's just one of them things.
Thanks for telling us that there should be no onus on jockeys to keep their mounts straight when using their whips. I wonder how 'dangerous' McDonagh thought it was when he saw his life flash in front of him? |
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the dealer 20 Sep 18 11:25
it was an incident that could have been worse but could never have it as dangerous riding. sense at last. |
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GEORGE.B 19 Sep 18 22:36
We'll have to agree to differ. My 22.03 post is my final post on it. you need to stand firm george.(and learn racings rules). |
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Racing rules are jockeys are free to whip their mounts into the path of another horse?
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most dont deviate when whipped..
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George im not saying that no onus is on jockeys to keep their mounts straight, when using the whip and im only talking about this race. in my opinion he had every right to use his whip in that hand as he had no way of knowing his horse would go left and therefore it was not dangerous riding. if his horse had kept straight like most do nothing would have been said. he didnt continue to whip the horse when it started to drift and in my opinion he did nothing wrong. with regards Mcdonagh and what he thought,i would guess that nearly every jockey at some point in there career would have saw their life flash before them, wether it be riding work, schooling or riding in a race.
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He went for a very small gap when behind the other two, that explains a fair bit.
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The gap was nearly TWO horses wide when he tried first....
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