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31 Aug 18 21:23
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i see Jason Ward is pot hunting a couple of listed races on Saturday and Monday at Craon. Thats a new course to me, Pierre Bazire rides Wee Jim on Saturday, Alexis Badel rides Maifalki on Monday. any info on the track and jockeys greatly appreciated and if you get a chance to look at the races can you post up your thoughts.

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By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 21:26
hope Jason behaves post race Shocked
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 21:35
Happy speaks french like Joey Barton
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 21:36
done well this year - unfortunate blip in post race wolvs?
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 31 Aug 18 21:41
not sure people his age change their manner of speech, just might be more careful now.
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 21:44
he has Deltâ, i think they have given him a couple more.
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 21:45
in fairness to him GC i have seen loads of stable videos and he always comes across okay, maybe the nerves got to him lol
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 21:48
my mate Dougie has splashed the cash again  Deltâ , sole owner this time. they are desperate to find him a really good one.
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 21:56
still at MJ?
By:
TheAnorak
When: 31 Aug 18 22:12
Here's some info about the course - the map looks like three Fontwells tangled up by a drunk:

http://www.lescourseshippiques.com/hippodrome/471/craon.html

I'll take a look at those races and get back to you in the morning.
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:15
many thanks Happy
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:18
yes Deltâ
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:19
need to get him a 15k dark vision imo!
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:20
aye i did say that to him
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:21
he said he wouldnt have sold it
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:22
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By:
knot in wood
When: 31 Aug 18 22:24
ward bought a couple at donny sales a bated breath filly @ 12.5k and a charm spirit filly @ 9.5k.

lamont racing- epaulette filly @ 11k.
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:24
early!
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:25
^
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By:
the dealer
When: 31 Aug 18 22:25
cheers KIW , saw pictures of the Epaulette filly she is a big beast for this stage of her life
By:
knot in wood
When: 31 Aug 18 22:25
very...
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:26
have you joined Crottley classic k i w?
By:
knot in wood
When: 31 Aug 18 22:34
i could not remember epaulette but just checked and see he's a australian horse.

haven't checked out that site for ages delta, whats a crottley classic(sounds a bit iffy)
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:35
thread up earlier
By:
Deltâ
When: 31 Aug 18 22:36
Wales Racing Club and Classic Club update    Crottly    1    31 Aug 18 08:58
By:
TheAnorak
When: 01 Sep 18 08:08
Morning Dealer,

The 2-y-old race this afternoon, like a lot of French 2-y-old races this season, has 50% British based runners. Best of those is likely to be Julius Limbani (Archie Watson), who has twice run 4th in Listed races in France and both of those were better races than this. He doesn't have a handicap rating here, but the French have him on approx 94, which is 7lbs or more ahead of all but one of these. The other contender is the filly Early Time, winner of her first two starts over 7F, then 4th in a 6F Listed race - all those races at provincial tracks. The step up in trip should suit her, and her French rating is a pound higher than Julius Limbani. Wee Jim will need to improve about a stone on what he's shown so far to be competitive with those two. Bazire is a run of the mill jockey, most often seen in claimers and low grade handicaps riding for the brothers A+G Botti.

The 12F race on Monday looks a lot more competitive and all the seven French runners are rated 90+, so hard to see Maifalki making much of an impact. Badel is a good quality rider, 43 winners this year, and also won a Listed race at Kempton back in April. Highest rated in this field is the 5-y-old Alignement, a winner over 10F at Maisons Lafitte and Longchamp before being outclassed in a Group 3 at Deauville. The trip is a potential problem for him - he ran below his best in the Grand Prix de Cagnes Sur Mer over 2,500 metres earlier this year. My preference would be the only 3-y-old, French Risk, a three time winner this year, twice over this trip, including the Swiss Derby. He ran a respectable third in a Listed race at Vichy last time and that form looks as good as anything in this field.

Here's a link to a good film of the 2016 running of the 12F race that shows what the course is like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2am3dKlmRw8

You'll be able to view a reurn of the races this weekend on that site I mentioned earlier - click the link 'Toutes Les Videos' and give the course and date you want to watch.
By:
the dealer
When: 01 Sep 18 11:40
Many thanks TA very much apprecited
By:
TheAnorak
When: 01 Sep 18 11:53
No problem - glad you pointed out the Listed races as I might have missed them. Tend to think of Craon as a jumping centre and in fact the biggest prize money on offer during this three day meeting is for a Listed 3M 6F cross country race tomorrow, which has total money of 75,000 euros. The French tracks to the west of Paris are all very keen on their cross country chases and they get bigger crowds for them than Longchamp or Chantilly usually manage.
By:
the dealer
When: 01 Sep 18 12:06
Often spek to a guy who visits Paris for a few months a year, l'm amazed how cheap it is to go racing. He pays a few euros for a pass that gets him into all the surrounding tracks.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 01 Sep 18 12:23
The whole finanical strucgture over there is totally different to what we're used to. Most races below Listed/Group level there is no entry fee - the jockeys riding fee is only payable if the horse is out of the money and it's much lower than ours anyway - every horse trained in France has an annual 3000 euro transport allowance for trips to the races paid by the racing authority - and as you rightly point out, admission charges are negligible.

I've followed the career of a horse called Montesquieu (I tried to persuade a couple of trainers to buy him out of a claimer when he was a 3-y-old). He's now an 8-y-old, has run 96 times and won 15 of them, all in claimers and handicaps. He never reached a handicap rating higher than 81 in his career. But including the owners premiums paid to locally trained horses, he's collected 431,000 euros in prize money.

I reckon a horse with that rating here would have to win at least 50 races to match that total!
By:
the dealer
When: 01 Sep 18 12:43
thats some difference, our racing is so diluted and far too many getting a piece of the pie.

many thanks again and good luck over the weekend
By:
knot in wood
When: 02 Sep 18 19:10
i only read the RP report but seems like WEE JIM ran a strange race or was given a poor ride?
By:
the dealer
When: 02 Sep 18 19:27
I think TA said you can watch replays from the site he linked, will have a look later tonight. It does read strange on RP and in the end he wasnt beaten that far. €2.5k for finishing 5th so i suppose that easily pays the expenses with one to run
By:
knot in wood
When: 02 Sep 18 19:32
i tried that link dealer but failed miserably(computers and french not my strong point)
By:
the dealer
When: 02 Sep 18 23:37
going round in circles here as well lol Sad
By:
TheAnorak
When: 03 Sep 18 07:41
I've downloaded it from Equidia, here's a link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qtCiDpohGWxFnUboUn0HtjFoIp3fjfcA

Odd race all round, run at a much quicker early pace than normal in France, winner came from pretty much last to first, but they still all finished in a heap. Wee Jim certainly not given a good ride, although he didn't look to be helping the jockey much either.
By:
the dealer
When: 03 Sep 18 11:45
Cheers TA  you're a star


Many thanks again for your input.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 03 Sep 18 12:25
Some decent, knowledgeable posters on this thread, WD guys.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 03 Sep 18 14:03
Here's the text commentary on the closing stages:

13:58:34Provisoire : 5/8-7-4-1
13:58:28Victoire our Maifalki en principe, mais photo
13:58:13peut-être
13:58:095 vient gagner à la fin
13:58:05mais 5 vient fort
13:58:028-5-7-4-1
13:57:588-5-7
13:57:558 repart facile

Which means 8 (French King) leads going easily, but then 5(Maifalki) comes strong to win in a photo - then 4 seconds later he puts 'perhaps' !

Maifalki confirmed the winner - great stuff for connections and just shows how weak some of these French races are for those that take the chance. Goodness knows what the UK handicapper will make of that!
By:
TheAnorak
When: 03 Sep 18 14:05
His price on the French Tote was 7.8/1.
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