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Anyone know what he is doing now. I asked him if i could have photos of the bajan bandit for place settings at my 2003 wedding in troon. Well him and his wife really obliged with a stack of photos of him and the other ashleybank investments horses. A real kind effort which we all really appreciated.
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I think he has some involvement in Scobie Jardine's operation, I'm not sure what though.
He rode Martin Pipes first ever winner , horse called Hit Parade in a seller at Taunton in the late 70's
Ashley bank investments
those were the days
regards
Ronnie.
those were the days
regards
Ronnie.
jardine - lungo - pipe? Ah all becomes a little clearer.
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is not his daughter married to some flat trainer?
james tate
Replies: 5709 14 Aug 18 20:00
is not his daughter married to some flat trainer?
james tate
In the glory days of ashleybank investments there were loads of good horses running in the beige and brown colours. of course the bajan bandit was the best, i loved that horse.
Spoke recently with Iain Jardine at Uttoxeter.
Apparently Lennie spends some time in Spain and plays alot of golf.
His daughter married James Tate, so Lennie may have an input there.
His wife Barbara was lovely and wonder what she's up to now, but I know she enjoyed fishing.
Owned a couple of horses with her mates, called "the Happy Hookers".
Apparently Lennie spends some time in Spain and plays alot of golf.
His daughter married James Tate, so Lennie may have an input there.
His wife Barbara was lovely and wonder what she's up to now, but I know she enjoyed fishing.
Owned a couple of horses with her mates, called "the Happy Hookers".
Edinburgh Woollen Mills prior to Ashleybank Investments.
David Stevenson the man behind those operations.
Went pearshaped when the the recession hit.
Direct Access & The Bajan Bandit, the best of the bunch.
Wonderful times at Ayr and Kelso.
David Stevenson the man behind those operations.
Went pearshaped when the the recession hit.
Direct Access & The Bajan Bandit, the best of the bunch.
Wonderful times at Ayr and Kelso.
Dunno what he does now but i saw him at Tattersalls last year
Yes Barbara was fantastic providing me all those photos for free. very generous
lungo missed out on a future Cheltenham festival winner due to lack of interest/care with the horse.
I think he trained Crazy Horse that was a half decent hurdler
David Stevenson's daughter married Ger Lyons, source RP article
In the Lyons den - Juddmonte backing aids evolution of a man with grand plans
Richard Forristal talks to Ger Lyons
1 of 1
6:00PM, AUG 11 2018
An amateur psychologist tasked with analysing Ger Lyons’ fervent reaction to Colin Keane being crowned champion jockey in 2017 might reach for the metaphor of a parent vicariously living out unfulfilled dreams through their child.
In 2014, when Keane was just 19 years old, Lyons appointed him as his stable jockey. The apprentices’ title was promptly secured en route to two runner-up finishes behind Pat Smullen in the overall standings, before last year’s relentless ascent to the summit after an epic tussle with the outgoing champion.
Lyons and his wife Lynne are proud parents to Jack (25) and Kerri (23) but Keane has also been reared in his belief system. Playing such an integral role in the journey of the first rider in nearly half a century to top the pile without being associated with one of the traditional Flat behemoths meant reflected glory.
Keane’s triumph was a vindication of his boss’s judgment and faith, but it was also a manifest culmination of the handler’s endeavours to scale the summit of Irish racing.
And therein lies the rub. For all that Lyons is defined by an aggressive ambition and the work ethic – if not always the diplomatic acumen – to complement his grand designs, he also lives in the real world. As long as the O’Brien name resides over the door in Ballydoyle, he will likely never be champion trainer.
In that context, Keane’s audacious coup constituted an acknowledgement of so much of what Lyons has sought to achieve over the past two and a half decades.
“I definitely think I got more out of it than he did,” Lyons admits, sitting behind the desk of a first-floor sentry that looks out on the 90-strong Glenburnie operations unit nestled below in the Dunsany flatlands of County Meath.
“It meant a lot. To me, Colin’s the best rider in Ireland. The championship is about consistency and he is pushing again this year, and he doesn’t have Aidan or Joseph O’Brien behind him. He has me. I’m 25 years pushing against the grain, so his championship was the positive yield out of it all.
“It made it all worthwhile. If by having him it has made people look at me in a different light, so be it. I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, but I’m not as bad as I’m made out to be either. The one thing I am is honest, and I’ll talk to you. You won’t ever walk away wondering what I think of you, because I need to sleep at night. If I have an issue with you, you’ll know it, and I’m not going to change that.
“Speaking out can cost me owners, so for me it has to be about winners – I try to let them do the talking now. I wasn’t champion trainer but my jockey was champion jockey and I got the buzz as if I was champion trainer because I know I can’t be.”
In a way, such a defeatist line is the antithesis to what you’d expect from Lyons. He frequently speaks about how competing against O’Brien on a daily basis compels everyone in the Irish Flat sector to raise their standards, but is it frustrating to be faced with such an elusive benchmark?
“No,” he responds. “If it was down to winners rather than prize-money, maybe I’d have a chance some day, but it’s not. The little victories are Colin winning the championship or getting an owner like Juddmonte into the yard with the goal of ultimately training Group 1 winners for them, that’s the challenge. It has always been the challenge.”
That particular road has been of the long, winding and bumping variety. When Sheikh Fahad’s Qatar Racing entity was in its nascent stages, it was Lyons who implemented the initial blueprint and masterminded their first Group 1 win with Lightening Pearl in the 2011 Cheveley Park Stakes.
As the coming together of two deeply ambitious and capable individuals, there seemed to be a natural symbiosis to the relationship, until a nuclear fallout occurred in May following “a difference of opinion”. Lyons isn't averse to ruffling feathers but he will not be drawn on the matter.
He has moved on, and it is a mark of how highly he is regarded as a trainer that Khalid Abdullah’s Juddmonte operation promptly filled the void. Dermot Weld is the only other Irish trainer on the Juddmonte roster, and that’s the sort of company Lyons aspires to keep.
After Lord Grimthorpe’s initial advance, Lyons received three yearlings. He now has ten, and has already saddled three winners in the iconic Abdullah colours, not least the exciting Bated Breath filly Viadera, who is bound for the Debutante Stakes later this month.
“I never used to be able to buy the pedigrees,” Lyons reflects. “We’d be making pedigrees and then we wouldn’t be able to buy the siblings.
“Aidan has the raw material and we haven’t had that. If I can’t source a Group 1 winner, I can’t train a Group 1 winner, so getting access to the Juddmonte pedigrees gives us a chance, but we are at the bottom of their ladder. It’s up to me to work my way through it.
“I never used to buy into the theory that an ounce of breeding beats a tonne of feeding, but I do now. In our game, it’s so true.”
Lyons’ siege mentality, the perception of it being him against the establishment, is part of his DNA. There is probably no more recognisable contrarian among the Irish racing fraternity, and there is a hint of Jose Mourinho about the manner in which his ability to achieve results isn’t always accompanied by the sort of diplomatic nuance often required to sustain long-term relations.
Darley, for example, have also come and gone.
Abrasive, irascible, outspoken and affectionately referred to by friends as Grrr, he is no shrinking violet but he isn’t just a blowhard.
While he is blunt and often contradictory, he can be extremely articulate and is passionate about Irish Racing Inc and his contribution to the cause.
“I am mellowing with age,” suggests the avid dog-lover. “I’ve a family and other people to represent, so there’s a time when it’s worth a row and a time when it’s not. If you give me a yearling and it’s no good, I will tell you to move it on. I’d rather have horses here that get me excited, and I haven’t left any behind.
“I made a decision a long time ago that I was going to do this job the right way – my way,” he adds with characteristic conviction.
“I haven’t sold myself well in the past when I’ve launched into things without thinking. I was a man in a hurry. I wanted to be competing and have winners every day on every card, and now I’m doing that I’m still not happy.
"Now I’m wondering why I’m not winning more stakes races, so I’ve a consultant coming in for a couple of days to see how I can make that happen. Whatever it takes.”
Such newfangled methods have helped Lyons, who turns 53 on Saturday, bulldoze his way through the domestic hierarchy over the past decade. He hasn’t been out of the top five since 2013.
The former jump jockey who served his time on the northern circuit in Britain initially went with his heart and trained National Hunt horses on setting up in Glenburnie in 1992.
By then he had married Lynne Stevenson, daughter of David Stevenson of Edinburgh Woollen Mills and Ashleybank Investments who had such long and successful ownership tenures with Gordon Richards and Len Lungo.
Lyons plundered a breakthrough success at the highest level when Ruby Walsh steered Big-And-Bold to Powers Gold Cup victory in 2002, but by then he had already resolved that training jumpers was not conducive to running an efficient business.
He ignored the received wisdom that the Flat was a closed shop in which he wouldn’t be able to compete meaningfully. Instead, he became a pioneer of sorts, identifying the potential of the then fledgling Dundalk all-weather facility to build a viable year-round business that could sell its produce to the emerging international markets.
To this day, he lives by that resourceful philosophy as the counter ticks towards 850 wins. He has one Royal Ascot win in the bag courtesy of Elletelle’s 2007 Queen Mary coup and the quest to make a telling and lasting impression in the upper echelons fuels his every waking moment.
Until he achieves that, he won’t rest and everything else going on around him will just be noise.
He recently ventured to the Olympia Theatre to see Copper Face Jacks: The Musical and bellyached from start to finish. “I should do that more often, I thought, but I know I won’t,” he ponders phlegmatically. Such is the lot of a man on a mission.
A cycling fad came and went, and he has never been to see his beloved Manchester United at Old Trafford, despite “great intentions” to do so. He didn’t even go to Ascot for Elletelle’s day in the sun and he hasn't drank alcohol since he was 40.
“I start at five in the morning so I have to be in bed for 9pm,” he relays.
“The thought of going up to the airport to get a flight to England for two minutes’ work if I have one runner – why do I need to be there?
"It’s not what I do. My brother Shane and Andrew Duff are my assistants and they can go. My work is here, and I love being here, and Lynne has accepted that now too. She heads off to New Zealand in the winter with Jackie Mullins and Jessica Harrington and a few others because she is fed up asking me to go.
“You can’t have it every way and I want all this. Badly. There is a wall there that is blank at the start of every year and we hang a photo of every winner on it as we go. So when I’m looking at that half bare – things to do.”
Lyons hardly comes up for air until we broach the subject of Lynne’s breast cancer diagnosis early last year, shortly after the death of John Shortt, one of his oldest friends. On this, he requires a deep breath.
Mercifully, Lynne is now cancer free and is a radiant picture of health. Still, it was an ordeal.
It is a mark of their collective resilience that the stable achieved what it did in 2017, with 72 turf season wins smashing Lyons’ previous best as he immersed himself in the challenge of getting Keane over the line.
“I don’t know how we got through it,” he finally exhales, “but I think I’m at my best when my back’s against the wall. Last year was a blur. I would get up and feed and drop Lynne into the Mater Hospital for treatment and then come back.
“I don’t know if I ever really grasped it. I did four years of it with John, but while you are there for him, it’s not you. I could still get in my car and go home. With Lynne, it’s still not me – I can’t feel the chemo in my system. You have a daughter and a son to look after – you can’t not function.
"We’re all very close and we were all there when we needed to be there. And it starts at the top. If the top is weak, the rest of it is weak. That’s the same in any walk of life. So I just got on with it, and Colin’s season became a focal point for all of us. Lynne was there the day he got the championship in Naas. That was huge – we all got so much satisfaction out of it.”
A wily Scotswoman with a wicked sense of humour, Lynne had always been her husband’s ballast. Her strength in adversity allowed him to carry all before him in 2017.
“I remember saying to Ger when it happened, just go and do your thing. Don’t do anything stupid – I’ll figure it out,” Lynne recalls in her melodic Borders lilt on a stroll around their state-of-the-art facilities.
“All I wanted was a lift to the hospital when I needed one, otherwise I was grand. I took a step back from the office and let him off.
“I trust him. It took me a long while – I was a proper pony-clubber asking him what he was doing all the time – but he seems to know what he is doing. He missed riding terribly for a long time, but I think he has found his calling now all right.”
There certainly isn’t much doubt about that, and they make quite a formidable team. Woe betide anyone who stands in their way.
Lyons Roars . . .
Ramifications of the Workplace Relations Commission clampdowns
For all the WRC negatives, it will bring a positive outcome. They are making us reassess our ship and people have to have a life. Our lads who were in Galway at night time, I gave them the morning off. People say you can’t do it, but you can – find a way to do it.
The Irish Racehorse Trainers Association
I believe we are the weakest of all the associations and that’s because of the people at the top. We’ve Michael Grassick – a former trainer – as chief executive and Noel Meade – a trainer – as chairman. It’s not a slight on them, but they are the wrong type of people for the job nowadays. You have to have a politician now.
Look at the stable staff association – Bernard Caldwell is that person. He is an excellent politician and he represents his body well. We need people who can put their shoulder to the wheel and get things done. The job is bigger than what any of us trainers are doing.
Irish racing’s switch from ATR to RUK
I didn’t see it coming, and it looks short-term to me, but I don’t lose any sleep over it because it is out of my control. We had no say in it. The powers that be have sold us out to RUK and time will tell if they are right or wrong, so let’s not slate RUK until we’ve seen what they are going to do.
Bookmakers’ influence on racing
If the bookmakers say we have to race at two in the morning, then we’ll enter and run. It shouldn’t be the way it is, but we’re bound up to this mighty dollar. We are cap in hand to, A, the government and, B, the bookies.
We’re living in an era where the punter is being put before the owner. That’s wrong. The owner comes first – always. There are families in turmoil over drink and drugs and now betting, and we’re condoning that because it suits us – that doesn’t sit well with me.
In the Lyons den - Juddmonte backing aids evolution of a man with grand plans
Richard Forristal talks to Ger Lyons
1 of 1
6:00PM, AUG 11 2018
An amateur psychologist tasked with analysing Ger Lyons’ fervent reaction to Colin Keane being crowned champion jockey in 2017 might reach for the metaphor of a parent vicariously living out unfulfilled dreams through their child.
In 2014, when Keane was just 19 years old, Lyons appointed him as his stable jockey. The apprentices’ title was promptly secured en route to two runner-up finishes behind Pat Smullen in the overall standings, before last year’s relentless ascent to the summit after an epic tussle with the outgoing champion.
Lyons and his wife Lynne are proud parents to Jack (25) and Kerri (23) but Keane has also been reared in his belief system. Playing such an integral role in the journey of the first rider in nearly half a century to top the pile without being associated with one of the traditional Flat behemoths meant reflected glory.
Keane’s triumph was a vindication of his boss’s judgment and faith, but it was also a manifest culmination of the handler’s endeavours to scale the summit of Irish racing.
And therein lies the rub. For all that Lyons is defined by an aggressive ambition and the work ethic – if not always the diplomatic acumen – to complement his grand designs, he also lives in the real world. As long as the O’Brien name resides over the door in Ballydoyle, he will likely never be champion trainer.
In that context, Keane’s audacious coup constituted an acknowledgement of so much of what Lyons has sought to achieve over the past two and a half decades.
“I definitely think I got more out of it than he did,” Lyons admits, sitting behind the desk of a first-floor sentry that looks out on the 90-strong Glenburnie operations unit nestled below in the Dunsany flatlands of County Meath.
“It meant a lot. To me, Colin’s the best rider in Ireland. The championship is about consistency and he is pushing again this year, and he doesn’t have Aidan or Joseph O’Brien behind him. He has me. I’m 25 years pushing against the grain, so his championship was the positive yield out of it all.
“It made it all worthwhile. If by having him it has made people look at me in a different light, so be it. I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, but I’m not as bad as I’m made out to be either. The one thing I am is honest, and I’ll talk to you. You won’t ever walk away wondering what I think of you, because I need to sleep at night. If I have an issue with you, you’ll know it, and I’m not going to change that.
“Speaking out can cost me owners, so for me it has to be about winners – I try to let them do the talking now. I wasn’t champion trainer but my jockey was champion jockey and I got the buzz as if I was champion trainer because I know I can’t be.”
In a way, such a defeatist line is the antithesis to what you’d expect from Lyons. He frequently speaks about how competing against O’Brien on a daily basis compels everyone in the Irish Flat sector to raise their standards, but is it frustrating to be faced with such an elusive benchmark?
“No,” he responds. “If it was down to winners rather than prize-money, maybe I’d have a chance some day, but it’s not. The little victories are Colin winning the championship or getting an owner like Juddmonte into the yard with the goal of ultimately training Group 1 winners for them, that’s the challenge. It has always been the challenge.”
That particular road has been of the long, winding and bumping variety. When Sheikh Fahad’s Qatar Racing entity was in its nascent stages, it was Lyons who implemented the initial blueprint and masterminded their first Group 1 win with Lightening Pearl in the 2011 Cheveley Park Stakes.
As the coming together of two deeply ambitious and capable individuals, there seemed to be a natural symbiosis to the relationship, until a nuclear fallout occurred in May following “a difference of opinion”. Lyons isn't averse to ruffling feathers but he will not be drawn on the matter.
He has moved on, and it is a mark of how highly he is regarded as a trainer that Khalid Abdullah’s Juddmonte operation promptly filled the void. Dermot Weld is the only other Irish trainer on the Juddmonte roster, and that’s the sort of company Lyons aspires to keep.
After Lord Grimthorpe’s initial advance, Lyons received three yearlings. He now has ten, and has already saddled three winners in the iconic Abdullah colours, not least the exciting Bated Breath filly Viadera, who is bound for the Debutante Stakes later this month.
“I never used to be able to buy the pedigrees,” Lyons reflects. “We’d be making pedigrees and then we wouldn’t be able to buy the siblings.
“Aidan has the raw material and we haven’t had that. If I can’t source a Group 1 winner, I can’t train a Group 1 winner, so getting access to the Juddmonte pedigrees gives us a chance, but we are at the bottom of their ladder. It’s up to me to work my way through it.
“I never used to buy into the theory that an ounce of breeding beats a tonne of feeding, but I do now. In our game, it’s so true.”
Lyons’ siege mentality, the perception of it being him against the establishment, is part of his DNA. There is probably no more recognisable contrarian among the Irish racing fraternity, and there is a hint of Jose Mourinho about the manner in which his ability to achieve results isn’t always accompanied by the sort of diplomatic nuance often required to sustain long-term relations.
Darley, for example, have also come and gone.
Abrasive, irascible, outspoken and affectionately referred to by friends as Grrr, he is no shrinking violet but he isn’t just a blowhard.
While he is blunt and often contradictory, he can be extremely articulate and is passionate about Irish Racing Inc and his contribution to the cause.
“I am mellowing with age,” suggests the avid dog-lover. “I’ve a family and other people to represent, so there’s a time when it’s worth a row and a time when it’s not. If you give me a yearling and it’s no good, I will tell you to move it on. I’d rather have horses here that get me excited, and I haven’t left any behind.
“I made a decision a long time ago that I was going to do this job the right way – my way,” he adds with characteristic conviction.
“I haven’t sold myself well in the past when I’ve launched into things without thinking. I was a man in a hurry. I wanted to be competing and have winners every day on every card, and now I’m doing that I’m still not happy.
"Now I’m wondering why I’m not winning more stakes races, so I’ve a consultant coming in for a couple of days to see how I can make that happen. Whatever it takes.”
Such newfangled methods have helped Lyons, who turns 53 on Saturday, bulldoze his way through the domestic hierarchy over the past decade. He hasn’t been out of the top five since 2013.
The former jump jockey who served his time on the northern circuit in Britain initially went with his heart and trained National Hunt horses on setting up in Glenburnie in 1992.
By then he had married Lynne Stevenson, daughter of David Stevenson of Edinburgh Woollen Mills and Ashleybank Investments who had such long and successful ownership tenures with Gordon Richards and Len Lungo.
Lyons plundered a breakthrough success at the highest level when Ruby Walsh steered Big-And-Bold to Powers Gold Cup victory in 2002, but by then he had already resolved that training jumpers was not conducive to running an efficient business.
He ignored the received wisdom that the Flat was a closed shop in which he wouldn’t be able to compete meaningfully. Instead, he became a pioneer of sorts, identifying the potential of the then fledgling Dundalk all-weather facility to build a viable year-round business that could sell its produce to the emerging international markets.
To this day, he lives by that resourceful philosophy as the counter ticks towards 850 wins. He has one Royal Ascot win in the bag courtesy of Elletelle’s 2007 Queen Mary coup and the quest to make a telling and lasting impression in the upper echelons fuels his every waking moment.
Until he achieves that, he won’t rest and everything else going on around him will just be noise.
He recently ventured to the Olympia Theatre to see Copper Face Jacks: The Musical and bellyached from start to finish. “I should do that more often, I thought, but I know I won’t,” he ponders phlegmatically. Such is the lot of a man on a mission.
A cycling fad came and went, and he has never been to see his beloved Manchester United at Old Trafford, despite “great intentions” to do so. He didn’t even go to Ascot for Elletelle’s day in the sun and he hasn't drank alcohol since he was 40.
“I start at five in the morning so I have to be in bed for 9pm,” he relays.
“The thought of going up to the airport to get a flight to England for two minutes’ work if I have one runner – why do I need to be there?
"It’s not what I do. My brother Shane and Andrew Duff are my assistants and they can go. My work is here, and I love being here, and Lynne has accepted that now too. She heads off to New Zealand in the winter with Jackie Mullins and Jessica Harrington and a few others because she is fed up asking me to go.
“You can’t have it every way and I want all this. Badly. There is a wall there that is blank at the start of every year and we hang a photo of every winner on it as we go. So when I’m looking at that half bare – things to do.”
Lyons hardly comes up for air until we broach the subject of Lynne’s breast cancer diagnosis early last year, shortly after the death of John Shortt, one of his oldest friends. On this, he requires a deep breath.
Mercifully, Lynne is now cancer free and is a radiant picture of health. Still, it was an ordeal.
It is a mark of their collective resilience that the stable achieved what it did in 2017, with 72 turf season wins smashing Lyons’ previous best as he immersed himself in the challenge of getting Keane over the line.
“I don’t know how we got through it,” he finally exhales, “but I think I’m at my best when my back’s against the wall. Last year was a blur. I would get up and feed and drop Lynne into the Mater Hospital for treatment and then come back.
“I don’t know if I ever really grasped it. I did four years of it with John, but while you are there for him, it’s not you. I could still get in my car and go home. With Lynne, it’s still not me – I can’t feel the chemo in my system. You have a daughter and a son to look after – you can’t not function.
"We’re all very close and we were all there when we needed to be there. And it starts at the top. If the top is weak, the rest of it is weak. That’s the same in any walk of life. So I just got on with it, and Colin’s season became a focal point for all of us. Lynne was there the day he got the championship in Naas. That was huge – we all got so much satisfaction out of it.”
A wily Scotswoman with a wicked sense of humour, Lynne had always been her husband’s ballast. Her strength in adversity allowed him to carry all before him in 2017.
“I remember saying to Ger when it happened, just go and do your thing. Don’t do anything stupid – I’ll figure it out,” Lynne recalls in her melodic Borders lilt on a stroll around their state-of-the-art facilities.
“All I wanted was a lift to the hospital when I needed one, otherwise I was grand. I took a step back from the office and let him off.
“I trust him. It took me a long while – I was a proper pony-clubber asking him what he was doing all the time – but he seems to know what he is doing. He missed riding terribly for a long time, but I think he has found his calling now all right.”
There certainly isn’t much doubt about that, and they make quite a formidable team. Woe betide anyone who stands in their way.
Lyons Roars . . .
Ramifications of the Workplace Relations Commission clampdowns
For all the WRC negatives, it will bring a positive outcome. They are making us reassess our ship and people have to have a life. Our lads who were in Galway at night time, I gave them the morning off. People say you can’t do it, but you can – find a way to do it.
The Irish Racehorse Trainers Association
I believe we are the weakest of all the associations and that’s because of the people at the top. We’ve Michael Grassick – a former trainer – as chief executive and Noel Meade – a trainer – as chairman. It’s not a slight on them, but they are the wrong type of people for the job nowadays. You have to have a politician now.
Look at the stable staff association – Bernard Caldwell is that person. He is an excellent politician and he represents his body well. We need people who can put their shoulder to the wheel and get things done. The job is bigger than what any of us trainers are doing.
Irish racing’s switch from ATR to RUK
I didn’t see it coming, and it looks short-term to me, but I don’t lose any sleep over it because it is out of my control. We had no say in it. The powers that be have sold us out to RUK and time will tell if they are right or wrong, so let’s not slate RUK until we’ve seen what they are going to do.
Bookmakers’ influence on racing
If the bookmakers say we have to race at two in the morning, then we’ll enter and run. It shouldn’t be the way it is, but we’re bound up to this mighty dollar. We are cap in hand to, A, the government and, B, the bookies.
We’re living in an era where the punter is being put before the owner. That’s wrong. The owner comes first – always. There are families in turmoil over drink and drugs and now betting, and we’re condoning that because it suits us – that doesn’t sit well with me.
Andrew he did train crazy horse he won the bumper on Scottish national day with him I don't know if he was named after the Liverpool and England captain.
Thanks Jimnast,
I don't know either. I checked to see who the owner was for a clue, but it was Ashleybank Investments
I don't know either. I checked to see who the owner was for a clue, but it was Ashleybank Investments
do you remember which footballer was nicked named Nijinsky ?
@Jimnast
Colin Bell, Manchester City's greatest player.
Colin Bell, Manchester City's greatest player.
correct domino even as a united fan I liked colin bell a great player but I do think theres a few around now who might take over as citys greatest player.
England missed him when he finished.
England missed him when he finished.
as good as Sergio is Andrew I doubt he will have a stand named after him.
Emlyn Hughes was Red Rum I think, cause he looked like a horse lol.
Great scoresr Sergio is, he already has a bar named after him at the etihad called the 93:20, named after his goal at that time to take the title off those in-breds just up the road. :)
Sergio wouldn't be fit to lace Colin Bell's boots.
To score 1 in 3 from Midfield shows what quality Colin was.
Sergio wouldn't be fit to lace Colin Bell's boots.
To score 1 in 3 from Midfield shows what quality Colin was.
That's it, Crazy Horse ! I'm sure a footballer has been called Red Rum though as well for looking like a horse ?
I do remember Bert Trautmann,Bell, and Summerbee.
Big gap before anyone good turned up after them though.
Big gap before anyone good turned up after them though.
the greatest goalkeeper ever played for city in between those mentioned and the present team.
Immediately after Bell, came God aka Gerry Gow. Only there for a short time however and now no longer with us.
Summerbee often meets the fans in the Legends bar at the Etihad, met them numerous times, as well as the Goat and Tommy Booth who were quality players. Joe Corrigan also a top player as well who attends. Andy Hinchcliffe and Richie Edgehill other legends who attend. Also had the pleasure a few years ago to meet the great late Alan Ball before his passing, what a lovely man he was. #Andafterallwevegotalanball :'(
Summerbee often meets the fans in the Legends bar at the Etihad, met them numerous times, as well as the Goat and Tommy Booth who were quality players. Joe Corrigan also a top player as well who attends. Andy Hinchcliffe and Richie Edgehill other legends who attend. Also had the pleasure a few years ago to meet the great late Alan Ball before his passing, what a lovely man he was. #Andafterallwevegotalanball :'(
Jimnast, that has to be Joey Corrigan, the man mountain himself.
domino
they had a much better goalkeeper than joe corrigan .
they had a much better goalkeeper than joe corrigan .
@Foxy
Who ?
Williams was never as good as Joe, and Frank Swift was before Trautmann.
None of the modern day keepers, Weaver, Given, Hart or Coton were as good as Corrigan and if you even suggest David James, wash your mouth out with soap and water.
Who ?
Williams was never as good as Joe, and Frank Swift was before Trautmann.
None of the modern day keepers, Weaver, Given, Hart or Coton were as good as Corrigan and if you even suggest David James, wash your mouth out with soap and water.
I'll take a punt given his username is Foxy, that he is a Leicester fan and therefore he is hinting that Kasper who played half a dozen games for us in cup matches before he was released is better than Joe Corrigan, which if that's what he is implying he needs to go and give his head a wobble.
He was well and truly passed it when he signed for us. Wasn't a fraction of the keeper he was by then. Still have Corrigan on appearances for us.
the statement was the greatest keeper ever played for city.
by the way how come no one mentioned harry dowd a salford lad ?
Because again Joey was better and Alex Williams was probably better as well.
Someone I know took one off Len when he gave it up, After 48hrs the horse was a sweaty mess going mad in it's box so called a vet who sedated and took bloods for analysis, Turned out it'd been given heroin for pain relief for spinal problems.
I always liked him till I heard this, BTW the source is as honest as the day is long so I've no reason to doubt her.
I always liked him till I heard this, BTW the source is as honest as the day is long so I've no reason to doubt her.
haha no, She's not a trainer she just does a lot of work for horse welfare, Stopping horses going to meat sales, Stopping bad owners getting their hands on stock, Works with a few dedicated people who do allsorts to stop abuse really.
@Gutfeeling
Still Bastiman in my eyes ;) She's a saint you know.
Still Bastiman in my eyes ;) She's a saint you know.
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