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Running on Concrete in that blistering heat.
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Thought same meself, even the winners look lame after races
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Hard in places
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I would say more than 70% of horses running there today, will be lame after they've ran.
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Gratification perhaps? Only animals
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It looked really grim ... dust everywhere i'm surprised they were allowed to race on that.
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I am surprised some Top Trainers were running their Horses on it.
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I can remember them running over the jumps on Firm ground in the past.
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Dont the horses that like Firm ground deserve a chance to Win?
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needy and greedy only there today
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The owners of Horses that Like and go on Firm ground pay there training fees the same as the owners whose horses prefer good,good to soft, soft and heavy going.
Horses go wrong on every type of going. |
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Yes wonders a chaser who loved firm ground winning 5 on the trot in small fields during a similar dry spell.
And horses still die in these enlightened times. |
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@1830
That's firm ground and then there's what they ran on at Bath today, there would be more give on the M25. |
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Bath had HARD in the going description,
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OK change the firm in my posts to HARD.
The same principle applies. |
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it is widely accepted through the industry that the attrition rate is unacceptably high to run jumps racing on firm ground now
even for flat racing firm, hard in places is taking the fkin p1ss imo and the trainers who run their horses there will know about it in the mornings |
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if it was purely good to firm then imo the fields would be a bit larger, would they not. i doubt there are many who would like hard going and if they did there racing career would be a very short one.
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I'll give you an example. When I rode at Bath on hard ground once, this is what it was like.
Go to the top of the stairs, and run down as fast has you can, listen to the sound, and how hard it is to keep balanced. That is exactly what it sounds and feels life to ride on hard ground, the horse feels like it will fall down with you at any time, and they put legs out everywhere. God forbid you get a shower of rain, as then it's like riding on an ice rink. horses hit the ground so hard they get unbalanced and jarred. I have ridden on good to firm and firm several times and normally there is a covering of grass. Look at other meetings calling the ground firm, or even good to firm, firm in places, you will see a good covering of grass even. Look t bath today, you can barely see any grass, the grass that was there is dead, there is patches of dirt/sand which is rock hard. The ground cracks as you have half a ton of horse gallop over it and the dust that kicks up is vile and gets in horses lungs. Coming down the hill you have to hold onto the horses heads to stop them slipping. As I said earlier, I would be amazed if three quarters of the horses that ran today, don;t come back sore, jarred and some will have suspensory and Tendon injuries, strains or bruising from running on. Write down all the horses that ran there today, I would be amazed if you couldn't count the ones on one hand, that run again in the next 3 weeks. No trainer in their right mind would want to run their horses on ground like that, unless you're pure greedy or don't give a damn about your horses. |
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crayford dogs cancelled tomorrow due to extreme heat ..
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too hot for a greyhound to run for 24 seconds round crayford, but cool enough for mercers court to cart 12 stone for 3 miles round Worcester ..
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I could understand (but not condone) connections wanting to run horses in small fields round there that are not good enough to have a chance of winning any sort of competitive race. But running horses that ought to have some sort of a future, that doesn't make sense.
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The card scheduled for Bath next week moved to Wolverhampton.
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i doubt they could have filled a card.
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We should bring some dogs over from Australia. For them it might be cool.
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Nine Grand prize money for the first match race. If you were an owner would you not go for it. Look at yesterdays runners and all will soon be running again.
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@oldgit1
Depends, you come second, pick up 3K, horses comes back with a suspensory or tendon injury, £2000-4000 in vet fee's, 6-18 months off the track, still costing you money, horses probably never the same ability again. I would say that's a big risk to owners. 4 horses that ran at Bath were reported as returned lame after the race, so all won't be running soon and one horse was confirmed as breaking down. Of the 25 or so that ran yesterday that's about 20% of horses which are not OK because they ran there, and I'm sure that a few more will be added to that list. |
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Saw bout 12 gypsy horses staked out in a field no shade no water today
il feel sorry for them if thats ok?? Im going to be throwing carrots across the **** in the morning cant trespass on his land fooking aweful |
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d y k e
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Them d y k e s luvs their c a r r o t s
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oldgit No i wouldnt and No they wont
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So will the horses hopefully mouse
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I agree with the dealer . . . no way if i had a horse would it run on that
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WD Ghost fill yer van with water as well
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Domino - I respect your professional opinion, but a thought....
In the fifties and sixties prior to heavy watering, firm and even hard going was common (Brighton, Goodwood, Epsom and other well drained tracks, like Bath). With the emergence of regular watering, are we in danger of altering the (admittedly and already well altered) breed by engineering out any preference for ground other than good. I remember many hard and firm ground specialists from my youth. I can't believe it was an accident of breeding, that these hosses preferred very fast ground. Thoughts anyone. nb - Maybe fast ground horses are a bit like rare breeds, they need special treatment. |
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@Blackbarn
Worth also considering, in those days there was nothing like all weather gallops, and horses were probably trained on faster ground, so the legs were hardened and more used to it. Horses would have been stronger and legs stronger. Now all turf gallops are watered all summer and when riding too quick closed, and most trainers use AW gallops and so on. Therefore horses are not used to faster conditions, and therefore when encountering it, it causes the legs problems and increases the chance of injury. |
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Dealer.
Cant get water over the ditch but i can sure bung carrots |
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Ring the rspca
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Domino - I think you have illustrated my point, that we are further changing the breed. Nothing wrong with that of course, assuming it is for the better.
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Date Joined: 05 Sep 01 Add contact | Send message 26 Jul 18 20:33 Joined: 05 Sep 01 | Topic/replies: 2,536 | Blogger: doorman99's blog Ring the rspca have done . . . . not breaking the law tethering an animal, Tethering compromises a horse’s well-being and is not a practice we recommend, however tethering itself is not illegal in the UK. Our officers must work within the law, so we cannot send them out to tethered horses unless the horse’s welfare is affected (e.g. an injury caused by improper tethering equipment). |