Before GELDING your horse.

Know a few punters on here, not too many trainers

Unless you're going to be a group 1 horse, there is no point keeping a horse entire. What absolute nonsense Value Bet. Horses fill out more and strengthen once gelded and calm down. I used to ride an older horse at home who was no better than a 70 horse but the owners wanted to keep him entire as they one day wanted him to cover a mare and produce a foal (and what a slow one it would be). The horse should have been gelded at 2, but the owners were clueless. Most trainers will geld all 2yo colts at the end of the season unless they look group class and quite right too. The only geldings who win group 1's are often sprinters or horses who improve so much for being gelded and wouldn't have won those races but for being gelded. If you're trying to suggest the difference between a fit horse and an unfit horse can be the difference between a 80 rated horse and a group 1 horse, then you are absolutely clueless and I pity the trainers in Australia who ask you for fitness advice !
You could chuck a horse out in a field for 6 months and do nothing with it, and it will still over have around 20lb improvement in it than when race fit.

I find it more hilarious you think you can judge whether a horse is fit or not by watching it on a TV screen, where you can't hear it's breathing pattern, or assess it's body mass.

When were you gelded Jim?

Give it up Jim, You wouldn't know the first thing about horses ya buffoon.

A nice mixed catch, this will encourage Jim to keep going for a bit longer.

susan had wuliieshaftertimer gelded

Only if he's on the glue, Mouse.

I have seen horses puruchased for 300k pounds and magnificant types with great breeding.

The trainer gives them 4-5 unfit runs and no score, so takes the easy way out and chops them.

They still race bad because unfit and the owners missed an opportunity of a sire and to recoup their money.

Trainers presume a gelded horse will improve out of sight on low fitness, they are seriously wrong.

James

When were you gelded Jim?

i'm not sure jim is still with us, he may have gone to the mattress shop in the sky

It's in the blood.....according to Jim.

Gelding a horse will calm it and reduce distractions. But shirly if its balls still in tack it would be a stronger horse in the coming years ? more testosterone !

RIP James Conway...thanks for the memories...

is this from human experience dixi?

Fairy King was a very succesful sire that did not win a single race
Kodiac never won a group race or even listed race

I tell ya a funny story about gelding, I nicked one off gone golfing, way
Back, by Machiavellian, stoutys vet (Matilda, French girl) came over to
Cut him, quick injection in neck, head dropped, both balls out, im standing
At door of box, Tilda, chucks both balls out past me, blood splatters all over my
White shirt, she had a jack russell with her, dog eats both testicles, she looks
At me at says, in a French accent, a lot of men in Newmarket would benefit
From this operation *****

Jim was a top drawer proper crank.
Only guy on the planet who could tell you whether the horse's 'blood count', (Jim knew), was 90 to 100% just by looking at his television.

It's a question that never gets asked, but how does a top trainer like Aidan O'Brien, keep a lid on a 100 randy colts and harness their 'energy' in the right direction?

Clearly it is an issue to be dealt with because a number of Godolphin colts, with any amount of potential, eg Rebels Romance, end up being cut.

As anyone who's had a young dog will know, they can be a right handful before being cut, so how does Aidan cope with a hundred beasts coming out of their boxes in the morning with raging hards on?

George, some of them are Colty, most arnt’t
You have to keep the colts and fillies separate

Most of the time all they want to do is eat and sleep
At one they are 6 and half, 13 at 2, it’s when they are 3,
They know what its for

ponchoslament, most people must be absolutely clueless about what goes on in yards and the training of horses, cuz all they ever see are the images of trainers sat / stood next to the gallops, looking admiringly on as their string majestically canters by.

So the Stoute connection there, are you an old pal of (barsteward) Jonjo?

No George, but I did ride out a  bit at stoute’y, freemason, mostly the quiet ones,
not for Long,I wasn’t very good, Kribensis was there, when I was there, I doubled in
Weight, for me the best trainer in Newmarke, brilliant trainer

Stoughty would always ride out first two lots, wed/sat, his hack was Compton park
Or Compton lad, ex Michel Dickinson chaser, if I remember. He never bothered with third lot

And Kribensis was a horrible little bastid