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The Eclipse gets the showdown it wants
Saxon Warrior / Roaring lion & Masar
In Donnacha we trust ......
Saxon Warrior / Roaring lion & Masar
In Donnacha we trust ......
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What was that Good Thing for Today dom?
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Ryan will ride surely......if he gets beat again his value will plummet even further
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They seem to be desperate the way this campaign with the great white hope is going. After he gets stuffed on Saturday expect a further drop in trip the following weekend for the July Cup..............
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Massar is better than Roaring Lion,not much to chose between Massar and Saxon Warrior, AOB is always confounding the punters,that the conundrum
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tangle...........why are you ruling out RL............surely this is more his trip...............looked to be going well 2f in the derby...........wouldn't be ready to dismiss him
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Firm ground will undo him again.
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looks a cracking race now
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would be surprised which one of the 3 won..........hope coolmore don't mess about with the pace like they did in the irish derby.....
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won't beat masar
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I backed SW in the Guineas, the Epsom Derby and the Irish Derby. Horse owes me nothing but I wouldn't back it ever again. Only my opinion but seems to be a bit of a goat. ie. reluctant to go by horses close by whereas it had no company in the Guineas.
For any newbie looking in Sea Pigeon had the same attitude until it was ridden properly by Francome. (Champion Hurdle) |
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Stewy,Aiden has made many punters look like a goats
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think its a tough race to be dogmatic.....think you can make a decent case for all 3..............race to watch for win purpose but was thinking of using the race for my placepot banker............which of the 3 is the safer place banker??
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masar
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It never went past the 1st 2nd in the Irish Derby because of the ground, Look at both horses action then look at SW, They loved the firm ground, He hits it hard = wants some cut.
Big top heavy horse feeling every stride, Once the weather eases off I'll start following him again. Just my opinion but am surprised no one has mentioned this anywhere...So maybe I'm wrong. |
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sweet.........it will be masar or RL probably because they will be fresher......edging towards RL
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gut.........they made sure it wasn't a fast paced irish derby to suit SW..........so your ground theory could be spot on
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Then again gutfeeling, maybe you are spot on.
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I could be...or not
 Just all 3 starts last season he faced ground with some ease in it and looked straight as a dye everytime, This season it's been good or good to firm and for me he's not handled any race that well, Yes he won the Guineas but twice came off a true line once taking the lead, Was that the rising ground so he rolled a little or feeling the surface as it'd be quickest at the highest point of the straight mile which is the final furlong. Food for thought at least. Good luck today chaps. |
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If the reason for his lacklustre performance in the Irish Derby was the ground (good to firm) I wonder why connections had been so keen to run him here and so soon after last weekend's exertion. It could well be the firmish ground, but I'd side with connections, and instead think it was more likely the distance that over-stretched him; none of these uncertainties if only AOB runs his Guineas winners in one of the Derby Trials prior to Epsom.
I think he'll run well, whether he wins tomorrow will hinge on the effect of the Irish Derby had had on him, and off course the expected "heat" similar to The Curragh, I think. |
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Cracking race in prospect as 1m 2f seems to be the ideal distance for all 3
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Cracking race indeed, Happily could gatecrash the colts given her Lagardere victory especially if Sax runs below his Guineas form.
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Cliffs I'm sure will be the sacrificial lamb.
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Yep, almost a certainty Cliffs would be doing the donkey work for Sax and Happily on saturday; he assumed that role for Churchill in the Juddmonte last year.
Masar was a good winner in the Derby, but 7/4 is extremely short for beating horses that were non stayers in the Derby eg Roaring Lion, Sax and Hazapour; Dee Ex Bee the runner-up had also been beaten by Kew Gardens, Crossed Baton and Young Rascal prior, and was thumped in the Irish Derby. Masar too had been beaten by Happily over 8f in the Lagardere, and Sax in the 2000G; this race is over 10f, and 7/4 is way too short, in my opinion. |
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Agreed with price of Masar price wise shouldnt be much between all 3. 9/4 5/2 11/4 would be nearer mark over this trip
Saxon Warrior looked unbeatable in guineas over a Mile with a step up 2 furlongs would be ideal. Roaring Lion looked like 1m 2 was right up his street in Dante and seemed to confirm that in Derby Masar looked great over 1 m4 in Derby. |
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think it would be a massive shock if one of those 3 didn't win but I think its impossible to nail your colours to one of them
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Happily wouldnt be massive shock beat Masar comfortably in lagadare altho she would appear to be better suited with some give.
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At the weights I favour the older horses and assuming 8 runners last year's Derby winner each way is a huge price at 33/1.
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@Posy
Wings of Eagles is not in the race ? |
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fcuk what was i thinking !
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I've backed Cliffs ew thinking for some reason he won the Derby last year...a senior moment.
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He was a fortuitous 2nd, but 2nd nonetheless.
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Fortuitous..., I like that. Similarly Sharastani (Dancing Brave) , Prime Minister May (David Cameron), Russia (Spain), Big Orange (OoSG), etc.
I cannot back Masar for the price, and 10f; Saxon Warrior would be the one but for his run last weekend (backed at 8/1 antepost). Roaring Lion would be the most likely winner at this trip, I believe, but the value has to be Happily - a line thro' Masar - if the good to firm ground is not an inconvenience. A great looking race for horse racing enthusiasts, hope it delivers a 3-way photo finish prior to the England game. |
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I was at Sandown in 1968 to see the Eclipse and it is still one of the greatest races I've ever seen. The official 123 was Royal Palace,Taj Dewan,Sir Ivor.
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Masar non runner
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Ya, but no news as yet why?
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Heat in a leg
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Oh dear, how unfortunate for Godolphin. On the other hand the connections of Sax have played their card well, and lucky.
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posy
Date Joined: 18 Oct 03 Add contact | Send message 06 Jul 18 14:58 Joined: 18 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 9,572 | Blogger: posy's blog I was at Sandown in 1968 to see the Eclipse and it is still one of the greatest races I've ever seen. The official 123 was Royal Palace,Taj Dewan,Sir Ivor. Never knew about that particular race posy but Piggott says Sir Ivor was the best he had ridden. |
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I always thought that Royal Palace was one of the most underrated horses I had seen.
Hardly ever gets mentioned and his record was there for all to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Palace_(horse) |