5:15 Curragh 30 JUN 2018 RTE1 1m4f Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies) (3

You have really gone left field with that selection.

Stumbled leaving stalls, (loses a length)  in touch in midfield, 6th straight, closed to track leaders [i]when not clear run and hampered 3f out, (at least another length or more) effort over 2f out, no impression in 5th and hung left over 1f out, kept on to go 4th inside final furlong, no threat to leaders (op 8/11)[/i]



I'll be shocked if it doesn't reverse the form with Dee Ex Bee. But hey ho, it's all about opinions.

* You would have though that Masar would had have had a pop at this race..

shocking price, but a lot of o'brien horses that are shocking prices end up winning anyway, so who knows....

most likely of the field to put up a spectacular preformance, feel he'll either bomb out completely or win by five lengths.

Stewy, I haven't got access to RTE, where else cam I watch it, M8?

Seems to be drifting on betfair,now 1.93.

Try LV  George.

Good luck and cheers stewy

Without her knowing I stuck 100/110 on for my better half. She will watch the race with me and if it gets beat I will say nothing. Hopefully I will be handing her a surprise ton after the race. I do feel strongly about this one GEORGE. All the best for today.

I've gone with Delano Roosevelt twice on my thread this season, in the Derby when he didn't look the same horse that had shaped so well in the Derrinstown, and last time at Ascot when perhaps the race didn't go his way.

I see Pricewise has gone for him today, but imo hard to select him when, as in the Derby, connections only want one horse of theirs home in front, and that is Saxon Warrior.

By the way, it'll be interesting to see how the Ballydoyle mob deal with SDS and DXB, cuz I'm sure they haven't forgotten about what happened halfway down the straight at Epsom!

Hope they do"A Job" on the Johnston Horse.

Think it's fair to say that SDS shouldn't be expecting any favours, acey. Think that was one of the 'highlights' of the season when he made the manoeuvre to block the fav off at the pass

Of course SDS may just get the horse out in front but the danger in that will be having a 'Golden Freeze' done on him.

Will be interesting to see what tactics Frankie employs, horse ran with the choke out at Epsom, very surprised JB & Fozzy are running their horses, could be a rough old race for some, O'Brien's aside, Bandua looks the most interesting to me, achieved next to nothing in its two victories to date on vastly different ground, did carry a fair weight in each race and must have shown DW something that has convinced him to run here rather than look for a more realistic Group opportunity elsewhere, at 50/1 worth a little investment for me for an interest in the race

One horse race, will sit in 5th or 6th, cruise through to lead around 2f out and skip clear in the final furlong.

Rostropovich will make Dee Ex Bee's life very difficult.

Dee Ex Bee would have no chance dropped in, just gallops and SW has a potent turn of foot.

Dee Ex Bee will go forward, Rostropovich will make sure it's no soft lead and press him from the offset.

SW will drop in mid div and just pick them off.

You are very bullish dom and so am I. That said, if there is one man who has hammered me many times financially it's Moore. That said, if he has the petrol in the tank here I'm hoping it obliges. Any f**k up by him and I will have to give up on him.


If this beast is good enough and had Piggott on it's back I truly believe it would be a 1/2 shot.

If this beast goes above evens I'm going in again. If I'm right you would think the C.S.F. looks obvious..

fozzybear, I know that question is not directed at me but for what it's worth it's very rarely that a horse without a few 111s next to it's form win classics. Time will tell and kick off is up and coming.

What horse are you referring to?

I doubt Dee Ex Bee would have the turn of foot to be dropped in, he may well be considered adaptable by his connections but in the Blue Ribband he was dropped in and got done for speed as the race quickened and stayed on too late. In the Derby they rode him a lot more positively and it suited him and he ran a big race. If they were to go back to drop him in, I personally feel he would struggle to match the turn of foot of Saxon Warrior, Dee Ex Bee's best chance is to make it a stamina test, like he done at Epsom. In his two previous races ridden to quicken he lost his chance getting outpaced and stayed on too late. So I would disagree with Mark Johnston's son, at this level, his chance is decreased massively by being dropped in, as he showed in both trial races before the Derby when dropped in and beaten for a turn of foot.

Latrobe eachway 3 places w/o SW & DXB 5/1

and a couple of quid ew on The Pentagon. Boiled over at Epsom...one last chance.

The Pentagon might be sacrificed. Would be backing it each way if I knew it was going to be ridden to try to win.

saxon warrior yes or no?

I like The Pentagon as a horse, but his best work at home has always been over 7 and 8f at home and over 12f he's looked a complete non stayer and only just got home over 10f. The 12f at the Curragh is very stiff. I would personally be surprised if he stayed, but reckon he could be a completely different proposition if they dropped him back in trip. I would expect him to be ridden forward myself, to ensure good middle pace in the race.

Place laid DEB

good luck everyone...should be quite interesting

even money to beat a dodgy johnstone job.  yes please, win and win by more than 2.25L thank you.

The Pentagon will LOVE this ground. Probably a sacrificial lamb though so resisting and each way bet on him.

Fozzybear

I agree somewhat with you, but Dee Ex Bee committed for home 3f out, at which time Ryan still bided his time on Saxon and then got into some trouble. Saxon wasn't himself at Epsom, however you view Epsom, I wouldn't judge Saxon Warrior on that run, it wasn't him and he'll be a whole different horse today. Dee Ex Bee made his move a good furlong before SW at Epsom, I would expect Knight To Behold to lead up, with Rostropovich and Dee Ex Bee tracking today myself.

I'm probably alone, but I see Old Persian a bigger danger than Dee Ex Bee, I think Delano will run on for a place, but I'll be very surprised if Saxon didn't win this by 3L minimum.

I would be tempted to lay Dee Ex Bee to place as well.

Does that interest anyone? 4-1 at Skybet



fozzy, no disrespect but most on here deal with reality. 4/1??? Good luck if you got a score on.

5/4 ??  wtf, reload.

Drifting and I have backed it at evens!

Willo was raving about DXB on the clock when he won on debut at Goodwood last season, though visually he does look more of a grinder than a push button sort.

Had to take some 2.24 even though the drift is a concern.

I've resisted the temptation to lump on the fav, lost too much lately and my confidence is completely shot.

Good luck to those who have had a bet.

Drift has to be a worry from yesterday, stewarty!

has this ever happened...

What a result for Joe, delighted for him.

ffs, thought it was a good thing when it was clear always trying's was beat 6 furlongs out ...

Lol I didn’t need the insurance on Latrobe

Very disappointing.

Every chance, just not good enough.

Thought 2f out, he was just going to sweep by but didn't.

Came out on top of the Epsom horses by a long way, but very disappointing he couldn't get by them two.

**** day for me.

what a complete load of bollox ...

Very nearly a first classic for Frankel but a very good run by Rostropovich.

the 3yo colts look a moderate bunch

Dare I say THEY KNEW!

wd el g

Winner beaten by Hunting Horn earlier in the season, the horse that leads SW and can't get near him. That must have improved boatloads.

That was great. Where did you tip Latrobe ELG? Well played.

3 year olds a load of garbage this year.

Enable will destroy this lot if she turns up somewhere fit.

& if she's trained on

If that can win an Irish Derby the 3 year olds are terrible....Dee Ex Bee St Leger fav? Should be running over hurdles.....Saxon Warrior clearly not a world beater...and the rest of them garbage.

3yos will be getting the wfa also

These O'Briens are a puzzle...

trained on?

Thanks...to be fair it was nice not having to worry when Saxon loomed up

Perfectly positioned, when a lot of the rags were held-up (expecting a furious gallop?). Wonder if Listen Jr is privy to Dad's tactics.

elarqam and dee ex bee, identical runs - both fancied, both going absolutely nowhere half way round ... ??

They have had u again

not too many people going on about the deep impact cross now are they pmsl

blake thinks saxon warrior ran a fine race

Back to 10f for SW I imagine.

stewy b would stiffen potted meat..must have done his bollox this mth

Saxon warrior hardly going to be commanding a high stud fee now...will now be to the likes of Pour Moi and co..

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Drift has to be a worry from yesterday, stewarty!




Cost me a few bob stewarts. Very disappointed but simply not good enough. The last time I looked the Epsom Derby winner was 7s for the King George...

Aiden looks as happy as Punch that Saxon got beat

That winner cant be rated more than 115.  Irish derby will be a grp2 before too long Jack Hobbs, Hazard, Capri....

Doesn't truly stay 12fs at the top level which was always the worry.

Jun 30, 2018 -- 5:30PM, granitjack wrote:

Saxon warrior hardly going to be commanding a high stud fee now...will now be to the likes of Pour Moi and co..

best he's ever trained etc etc

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stewy b would stiffen potted meat..must have done his bollox this mth Cry



Shafter can't get a dig at Andrew so he has a dig at me. Three bets in the last month. One being 10s on the Queen Alexandra Stakes winner...

the last 8 ive seen all beat.

Specsavers.

I've not had this **** a day ever ! I could have had a horse in training for 4 months for what I've lost today.

so that’s another European G1 mile and half failure for Deep Impact.

They just can’t do 12f here.

Think it stayed ok,alright maybe not truly but while the 2 in front kicked just a fraction earlier SW cut the deficit from 2.5Ls 3f out to .5 at line, disappointing anyway from SW,he was very sweaty and maybe the late drift suggested he played up before the start?

FWIW

I wouldn't blame the trip, just a bridle monkey. Looked for all the tea in China when he loomed up he would go clear 2f out, but was very one paced off the bridle.

Trip not an excuse, just not good enough.

SW sweating up badly pre race could not have helped him.

I would be amazed if everything wasn't sweating. It's 31 degrees in Dublin today.

SW was sweating noticeably more than the others, probably explains the late drift.

Thats true re the rest, still that was imo extreme,nearly looked worse than that other O B sweaty yoke (Idaho?)

Reminds me of another Father and Son called O'Brien in an Epsom Derby.

wondersobright
not too many people going on about the deep impact cross now are they pmsl

He got 2m in a world record time, so I've been told.

1        Secreto    Christy Roche    David O'Brien (IRE)    14/1
2    shd    El Gran Senor    Pat Eddery    Vincent O'Brien (IRE)    8/11
3    3    Mighty Flutter    Brian Rouse    David Elsworth    66/1


1984 Derby.

Jun 30, 2018 -- 5:47PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

SW was sweating noticeably more than the others, probably explains the late drift.

Could have also been down to Ted Walsh pointing out the horse was sweating whereas he felt everything else was grand.

Poor Pat got blame for that...not justifiedly I think

El Gran Senor should have won

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1        Secreto    Christy Roche    David O'Brien (IRE)    14/1
2    shd    El Gran Senor    Pat Eddery    Vincent O'Brien (IRE)    8/11
3    3    Mighty Flutter    Brian Rouse    David Elsworth    66/1


1984 Derby.


I swear to God this is a true story.

After Piggott had finished well down the field on an outsider he unsaddled and went up to Vincent and whispered in his ear....'miss me?'.

stewarty, no need to swear as it's been quoted a thousand times or more.

A stunned O'Brien, torn between delight for his Derby-winning son and dejection about his Derby-losing colt, was standing on the Epsom lawn with Robert Sangster and the other connections when Lester Piggott, who had finished fifth in the Derby aboard second favourite Alphabatim, strode past him on his way back to the weighing room.

Without checking his stride, without missing a beat, Piggott turned to O'Brien and Sangster, muttered: "Missing me?" out of the side of his mouth and was gon

*gone.

I knew it was something like that sparrow. I read it in the Daily Express the next day and had a good chuckle.

A man of few words sparrow but very astute with what he said at times. And for what it's worth I think he would have won on El Gran Senor.

Eddery felt he hit the front too soon as the leaders fell back suddenly and left him with no option.

sparrow, where did you  get that quote from? ie. which newspaper?

stewarty............

https://www.racingpost.com/news/great-partnerships-lester-piggott-and-vincent-o-brien/193487

Thanks for the link sparrow. An excellent read.

I'd be interested to know whether or not Beggy's instructions were to let Moore win should the finish have been between just the two Aiden horses .

A man of few words sparrow but very astute with what he said at times. And for what it's worth I think he would have won on El Gran Senor.

Agree