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betting_masta When: 24 Jun 18 18:00
Today's results from Stall 1:

Posh Perfect - WON 16/1
Beauvais - 2ND 6/5
Rainbow Rebel - WON 2/1
Cribbs Causeway - 6TH 8/1
Wind Place and Sho - 3rd 4/1
Crotchet - 2nd 1/1
Round the Island - WON 5/2
By:
Makybe_Diva When: 24 Jun 18 18:09
Shocked
By:
posy When: 24 Jun 18 18:35
Well worth remembering that stat...thanks for posting it
By:
Andrew in Sweden When: 24 Jun 18 19:07
Betting masta,

WD, although i doubt it's a reliable system. It's probably one of those random stats that look good but if followed in future may not be financially rewarding.

The draw at Pontefract, although slightly favouring low numbers is not significant at all.

If you look at the 4 meetings this year prior to today, in 27 races stall 1 only produced 2 winners.

Good luck.
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betting_masta When: 24 Jun 18 19:17
Andrew,

That is as maybe - the simple fact is that stall 1 has given more profit than any other stall at Pontefract since 2014 and is the only one showing a positive A/E or value index

It may just be down to chance but horse racing is more and more becoming a chance game rather than a skill game IMO

You have to admit being in stall 1 should help as if you get a good start you are on the rail in the best part of the track for the entire race

It's like being drawn stall 1 in athletics. you have to cover less of the track so that's an advantage in itself - obviously it's not going to make you a millionaire but it continues to be a positive angle at courses such as Pontefract

How else are you going to explain Posh perfect winning today
By:
Andrew in Sweden When: 24 Jun 18 19:30
Betting masta,

I understand your logic with respect to the inside, but it would also depend on the pace and how the horse runs.

If it was Chester or Beverley, stall 1 is a big positive. 

Posh Perfect won over 6f, that at Pontefract starts on a straight and is over 3f before a slight LH bend. She made all today and was simply the better filly, although the runner up gave her a race. In her two previous races she was ridden from off the pace that she obviously didn't like.

The 2 up front drew away, the draw didn't make any impact. 

Good luck.
By:
betting_masta When: 24 Jun 18 19:36
Andrew, you're a sharp mind

best of luck
By:
Andrew in Sweden When: 24 Jun 18 19:37
I wish i was Wink
By:
onlooker When: 24 Jun 18 19:49
Sure there was a thread on here - a couple of months ago - saying something like ...

'STALL 1 over A Mile and a Quarter at PONTEFRACT - NOT had a WINNER' since LESTER PIGGOTT was riding.
By:
Deltâ When: 24 Jun 18 21:13
pier to pier sight


hth
By:
stridingedge When: 25 Jun 18 08:28
Stall 3 is where it's at at Ponty if you want to believe that sort of logic. Cry
By:
stridingedge When: 25 Jun 18 08:40
Stall 1 at Ponty has not given a profit over the last 5 year period at all from what I'm looking at.



            Bets        Wins        Win%        P/L(SP)        Place%        Race%        ROI(SP)        P/L(BF)        ROI(BF)        Lay(BF)        ROI(L)        Plc(BF)        Plc%(BF)        P/L(Plc)        ROI(BF Plc)        AvgOddBF        BF A/E        BF chi        BFExpWins        AvgWinOdd   
    ALL        429        78        18.18        -41.63        42.89        18.18        -9.7        -3.07        -0.72        -32.79        -0.33        194        45.22        182.19        42.47        24.17        1.09        0.76        71.27        4.97   
    2018        27        2        7.41        -21        37.04        7.41        -77.78        -20.98        -77.71        19.52        3.72        11        40.74        2.43        9        20.43        0.52        1.06        3.88        3   
    2017        97        17        17.53        -1.42        38.14        17.53        -1.46        9.84        10.15        -18.57        -0.72        39        40.21        152.24        156.94        27.63        1.07        0.09        15.9        5.62   
    2016        105        18        17.14        -35.07        46.67        17.14        -33.4        -31.93        -30.41        24.68        1.77        51        48.57        1.94        1.84        14.25        0.98        0.01        18.32        3.89   
    2015        104        28        26.92        27.15        48.08        26.92        26.11        43.98        42.28        -54.09        -1.92        53        50.96        9.74        9.37        28.14        1.42        4.28        19.73        4.68   
    2014        96        13        13.54        -11.29        39.58        13.54        -11.76        -3.98        -4.14        -4.33        -0.17        40        41.67        15.85        16.51        28.29        0.97        0.02        13.44        6.52   



By:
dave1357 When: 25 Jun 18 08:54
You might be looking at actual stall one and not de-facto stall one (eg stall two when stall one is withdrawn)

I have a profit at betfair SP from flatstats - they use defacto stall one and have 451 runners
By:
dave1357 When: 25 Jun 18 08:55
which means the holy grail system is "back stall two when stall one is withdrawn"  Grin
By:
stridingedge When: 25 Jun 18 09:52
I checked that as well dave using inside stall...



            Bets        Wins        Win%        P/L(SP)        Place%        Race%        ROI(SP)        P/L(BF)        ROI(BF)        Lay(BF)        ROI(L)        Plc(BF)        Plc%(BF)        P/L(Plc)        ROI(BF Plc)        AvgOddBF        BF A/E        BF chi        BFExpWins        AvgWinOdd   
    ALL        475        93        19.58        -16.7        43.58        19.58        -3.52        24.97        5.26        -65.49        -0.64        217        45.68        180.48        38        22.69        1.15        2.28        80.64        4.93   
    2018        34        5        14.71        -4.5        44.12        14.71        -13.24        -1.37        -4.04        -1.53        -0.27        17        50        8.83        25.97        17.63        0.87        0.11        5.72        5.9   
    2017        114        24        21.05        6.63        39.47        21.05        5.82        18.12        15.89        -28.31        -1.05        48        42.11        151.08        132.53        24.71        1.22        1.18        19.62        5.03   
    2016        115        20        17.39        -35.19        47.83        17.39        -30.6        -32.39        -28.16        24.34        1.65        57        49.57        5.23        4.55        13.85        1.01        0.01        19.71        3.99   
    2015        110        30        27.27        31.4        48.18        27.27        28.55        48.31        43.92        -59.06        -2.07        55        50        6.65        6.04        26.95        1.44        4.89        20.9        4.71   
    2014        102        14        13.73        -15.04        38.24        13.73        -14.75        -7.7        -7.55        -0.93        -0.03        40        39.22        8.69        8.52        27.48        0.95        0.04        14.69        6.21   





as is so often the case one skewed year makes a profit over all, certainly nothing statistically significant here.
By:
stridingedge When: 25 Jun 18 09:57
Stall 3



            Bets        Wins        Win%        P/L(SP)        Place%        Race%        ROI(SP)        P/L(BF)        ROI(BF)        Lay(BF)        ROI(L)        Plc(BF)        Plc%(BF)        P/L(Plc)        ROI(BF Plc)        AvgOddBF        BF A/E        BF chi        BFExpWins        AvgWinOdd   
    ALL        421        64        15.2        52.19        34.68        15.2        12.4        565.71        134.37        -632.12        -6.33        154        36.58        -16.13        -3.83        24.7        1.05        0.19        60.88        7.39   
    2018        30        3        10        -17.42        30        10        -58.07        -16.93        -56.43        15.05        3.99        9        30        -4.55        -15.15        13.57        0.66        0.61        4.53        4.19   
    2017        98        16        16.33        11.75        37.76        16.33        11.99        25.35        25.87        -35.1        -1.45        40        40.82        17.12        17.47        25.69        1.13        0.3        14.1        6.86   
    2016        105        13        12.38        -22.96        31.43        12.38        -21.87        -10.22        -9.74        1.32        0.05        33        31.43        -19.22        -18.3        27.52        0.91        0.13        14.28        6.31   
    2015        99        16        16.16        -24.64        34.34        16.16        -24.89        -21.77        -21.99        14.4        0.59        38        38.38        -21.63        -21.85        25.72        1.04        0.03        15.38        4.65   
    2014        89        16        17.98        105.46        37.08        17.98        118.49        589.28        662.12        -627.79        -32.19        34        38.2        12.15        13.65        22.92        1.27        1.08        12.59        12.15   




yes a big proift but down to one year when a few prices went in.

Using lazy patterns as evidence of anything is not a good policy.
By:
top2rated When: 25 Jun 18 10:30
Hey striding.....

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Shocked
By:
saddo When: 25 Jun 18 11:27
I may be imagining it but they very seldom come from behind at Ponte Carlo, ability to go a good early pace seems more important than the draw imvho.
By:
deadbrain59 When: 25 Jun 18 12:14
outside draw ponte, outside draw disadvantage on soft heavy as all the water drains naturally too the far side ,because its uphill all the way pontyMischief
By:
ride em out When: 25 Jun 18 12:29
It's like being drawn stall 1 in athletics. you have to cover less of the track

Are you sure?Confused
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