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Coolmore got their tactics all wrong there. Three horses in the race and they allowed Dettori to dictate a gentle pace with the fav sitting in a very poor position.
Hayley saying Ryan best in world, fook me the sniffer dogs should be after her
Jun 22, 2018 -- 3:17PM, fozzybear wrote:
"not been suited by the way the race has unfolded". Jason Weaver of course stops short at criticising Ryan Moore. Hayley Turner saying Ryan Moore is the best in the world!A US and NZ jockey have been the only two that the ITV team have had the balls to criticise this week. Funny that.
Johnny Murtagh got criticised the other day on here for telling the truth
Delano Roosevelt is poor, the jockey didn't make any difference
Won on debut beating an odds-on stablemate who hasn't won in 4 races since. Has run 6 times since debut without winning. It's stays and that's all, he needs a trip in my opinion.
Won on debut beating an odds-on stablemate who hasn't won in 4 races since. Has run 6 times since debut without winning. It's stays and that's all, he needs a trip in my opinion.
I would rather he tried something than sit there and do fook all, as he always seems to do
Exactly Deptford, sitting there hoping someone will make it a strong pace yet his stablemates let Frankie have an easy upfront...
Runs on, gets beat about 3, stop start gallop, change tactics,oh no, I will just sit and be a passenger
A peculiar run from Delano Roosevelt, running in snatches and lethargically, I thought; Epson induced or fast ground. Or being saved for another impending race. For once, despite Moore could have done more I'm more inclined to look for another excuse. Objective: The Leger for him, I'd suspect.
Deptford,
I understand that backers are sometimes frustrated with RM, but in reality, he's no different to many of the top jockeys in racing history. Of course he f***s up sometimes, but so did Lester, Gordon, et all over time. Personally I prefer Frankie, but i wouldn't have any qualms about backing RM with decent money on the right horse.
He's a high profile jockey, riding for a high profile stable, often on short priced favourites, but he can't be expected to win them all. His overall record compares very favourably with the greats, and although I would place Lester and Gordon above him, he's got to be up there with the best.
The colt he was on today is slow and if they ran the race another 5 times it still wouldn't win.
For those that want to sl*g him off, simply lay his mounts.
I understand that backers are sometimes frustrated with RM, but in reality, he's no different to many of the top jockeys in racing history. Of course he f***s up sometimes, but so did Lester, Gordon, et all over time. Personally I prefer Frankie, but i wouldn't have any qualms about backing RM with decent money on the right horse.
He's a high profile jockey, riding for a high profile stable, often on short priced favourites, but he can't be expected to win them all. His overall record compares very favourably with the greats, and although I would place Lester and Gordon above him, he's got to be up there with the best.
The colt he was on today is slow and if they ran the race another 5 times it still wouldn't win.
For those that want to sl*g him off, simply lay his mounts.
It is not all about the punting for me, I do not see how he is rated world class, he makes so many mistakes, he has no plan b
Andrew if you knew his tactics before hand then you would make a mint, sadly Ryan only knows them a few minutes before the race himself...
Moore never has a plan b, simple as that. He has a plan of what he wants to do and sticks to it no matter what. This isn't just an O'Brien issue, he does it on everything. Sometimes horses will win no matter how they're ridden, but for a so called top jockey he's lost some amount of big races due to his sticking to the plan.
Impossible123 thinks Coolmore are going to dump him as OoSG got beat 
When he packs up, he can get a job with RUK, they are all as bad as him, guessers the lot of them
It would be interesting to know how much the apologists are losing unless of course they only back the ones that win.
His three duffers today have probably paid for bookmakers holidays for the next ten years.
His three duffers today have probably paid for bookmakers holidays for the next ten years.
I layed his first mount, but not because he was riding it.
I still think he will be RA top jockey tomorrow night.
I still think he will be RA top jockey tomorrow night.
The only O`Brien horse I backed was Rostropovich each way. The clock said no to all the others.
Jun 22, 2018 -- 3:52PM, FELTFAIR wrote:
It`s amazing he gets any rides at all.
Well he only got the O'Brien job after Smullen turned it down. Can't remember ever saying after a Moore winner that the jockey won the race. Said it plenty of times about Murtagh and Kinane. Though to be fair they were on a different level.
Moore would not have won on Clemmie; Clemmie did not train on, or is gone after her injury. Retirement?
Alpha Centauri was amazing; backed her for the English 1000G after her 2nd in the Albany.
Alpha Centauri was amazing; backed her for the English 1000G after her 2nd in the Albany.
MJK all the connections must be mad to employ him I assume.
What price RM top jockey at RA this week, i want to be on 
Jun 22, 2018 -- 6:04PM, FELTFAIR wrote:
MJK all the connections must be mad to employ him I assume.
If you assume it might be right so, seeing ad you're never wrong.
Good answer. Did you type that while raising your eyes in disdain?
Just accept that you dislike Ryan Moore. I rarely if ever criticise jockeys as I firmly believe horses win races and not jockeys. If I did criticise jockeys it would be Mick Kinane and Richard Hughes both at Epsom, Kevin Manning at Goodwood and Eddie Aherne at Newmarket. Just four in many years whereas others hit that number in a day on here and it is extremely tedious.
If you think the horse wins the race and not how the jockey rides it, you need urgent medical attention
Jun 22, 2018 -- 6:56PM, FELTFAIR wrote:
Just accept that you dislike Ryan Moore. I rarely if ever criticise jockeys as I firmly believe horses win races and not jockeys. If I did criticise jockeys it would be Mick Kinane and Richard Hughes both at Epsom, Kevin Manning at Goodwood and Eddie Aherne at Newmarket. Just four in many years whereas others hit that number in a day on here and it is extremely tedious.
I don't dislike Moore as I don't know him, but the OTT 'world class' jockey stuff is annoying. He's not even the best jockey in the UK for most honest observers. Yes it can become tedious Ott slagging of jockeys, but so can Ott defence of them as well. You mention the four above, but only Manning still rides. So no other jockeys today are bad riders? Not his fault but Moore is lucky that he rides against a very poor crop of jockey these days.
The four I mentioned were for individual rides, otherwise like nearly all jockeys they were and in Manningg`s case still is, eminently capable.
I honestly can't see how there's no difference in say De Souza or Fanning battling out a finish, or Dettori and Moore in a tactical race that hasn't gone as planned early.
I guess it depends on how one chooses to measure superiority. Number of winners, percentage of winning rides, most prize money etc etc. Which ever one you pick you get different answers. Personally I am a big fan of Frankie Dettori but was he the cause of Cracksman being beaten or was the horse just not good enough on the day. Similarly was Ryan Moore the reason Order of St George was beaten,Jim Crowley the reason Battaash got beaten etc etc? Equally was Jamie Spencer the reason Agrotera won today?
This is why I ignored this poster eg "I rarely if ever criticise jockeys as I firmly believe horses win races and not jockeys."
Horses win races and not jockeys? What a ridiculous statement to make on this horse racing forum!
Two classic examples are: Derby 1986 - Shahrastani vs Dancing Brave, who won the race? The horse or the jockey?
Ascot Gold Cup 2017 - Big Orange vs Order Of St George? The horse or the jockey?
Horses win races and not jockeys? What a ridiculous statement to make on this horse racing forum!
Two classic examples are: Derby 1986 - Shahrastani vs Dancing Brave, who won the race? The horse or the jockey?
Ascot Gold Cup 2017 - Big Orange vs Order Of St George? The horse or the jockey?
He doe's ride a lot of ill judged races .. especially laying to far out of his ground
Indeed, I firmly believe had Moore been on Stradivarius he'd have sat next to the rails and stay in a pocket (regardless) until a gap opened, and would not have won. The tactical move by Dettori to move to his left to follow Moore won the race for him and Stradivarius.
dettori is a better race rider. moore only wins on the absolute monsters he gets to ride for AOB.
how many of moore's rides this week were lagging miles behind. you cannot tell me AOB has his horses in that bad shape
how many of moore's rides this week were lagging miles behind. you cannot tell me AOB has his horses in that bad shape
Feltfair,
Agreed, you can lead a horse to water ..... etc
Agreed, you can lead a horse to water ..... etc
for me theres only 2 jockeys that i would consider a plus factor;de souza anywhere and dettori in big meetings.
ryan moore by his own admission has no motivation for lower standard racing and is victim to whichever horse hes given to ride by coolmore
ryan moore by his own admission has no motivation for lower standard racing and is victim to whichever horse hes given to ride by coolmore
only using 1 ride as a sample is unfair,but the ride on Order of st george at ascot last year was reminiscent of starkey on dancing brave
Chav,
I totally agree about Frankie, i prefer him over Ryan, but i wouldn't have any qualms about backing RM on the right horse.
De Sousa is a good jockey (I rarely lay his rides) but not a great one and his overall record in the big races is poor. Pressure of a big job maybe, and he didn't last long with Godolphin. He's a hungry, dedicated jockey and everything he rides is generally ridden well, even though he makes mistakes as all jockeys do.
Ryan Moore has won just about everything, is very wealthy and i totally understand he's lost some of the motivation he once had, many sports stars do. He's also a dedicated family man and even turned down the top jockey with AOB once as he didn't want to relocate to Ireland. He was held in such esteem by AOB/Coolmore they had an agreement that he would ride in UK whilst Joseph was the chosen one.
Coolmore do not employ poor jockeys, they never have, it's not in their interests to and RM is not a poor jockey. Many think every Coolmore/AOB runner with RM on top has a God given right to win, it's ridiculous. Daniel Roosevelt is a typical example, it wasn't a bad ride, it's simply a slow horse who's running over the wrong trip.
What i find amusing is pocket talkers continually sl*gging RM off, yet continue to back him, only to follow the crowd like lemmings when he loses. Surely if you think he's a muppet, then lay his rides.
I totally agree about Frankie, i prefer him over Ryan, but i wouldn't have any qualms about backing RM on the right horse.
De Sousa is a good jockey (I rarely lay his rides) but not a great one and his overall record in the big races is poor. Pressure of a big job maybe, and he didn't last long with Godolphin. He's a hungry, dedicated jockey and everything he rides is generally ridden well, even though he makes mistakes as all jockeys do.
Ryan Moore has won just about everything, is very wealthy and i totally understand he's lost some of the motivation he once had, many sports stars do. He's also a dedicated family man and even turned down the top jockey with AOB once as he didn't want to relocate to Ireland. He was held in such esteem by AOB/Coolmore they had an agreement that he would ride in UK whilst Joseph was the chosen one.
Coolmore do not employ poor jockeys, they never have, it's not in their interests to and RM is not a poor jockey. Many think every Coolmore/AOB runner with RM on top has a God given right to win, it's ridiculous. Daniel Roosevelt is a typical example, it wasn't a bad ride, it's simply a slow horse who's running over the wrong trip.
What i find amusing is pocket talkers continually sl*gging RM off, yet continue to back him, only to follow the crowd like lemmings when he loses. Surely if you think he's a muppet, then lay his rides.
spencer would be the biggest conundrum,because hes undoubtedly a top class jockey when he wants to be.if you see him ride from the front he never gets beaten,its just the other 99.5 % of his rides that are the problem.
I agree again.
JP was the dogs 'b*****ks back in time, Irish and UK champion jockey, the pin up boy of flat racing, winning everything, Godson of John Magnier and Irish, reasons he was the chosen one at Coolmore.
It was too much, too soon, he couldn't handle the pressure, made several high profile mistakes and was consequently given his P45. In later years the acromonious split with Emma didn't do him any favours (what was he thinking ?) and he's not the same jockey today. On a point and shoot job he's fine, and he can ride, but i doubt he will ever win the big ones again.
JP was the dogs 'b*****ks back in time, Irish and UK champion jockey, the pin up boy of flat racing, winning everything, Godson of John Magnier and Irish, reasons he was the chosen one at Coolmore.
It was too much, too soon, he couldn't handle the pressure, made several high profile mistakes and was consequently given his P45. In later years the acromonious split with Emma didn't do him any favours (what was he thinking ?) and he's not the same jockey today. On a point and shoot job he's fine, and he can ride, but i doubt he will ever win the big ones again.
What none of us know (unless you work at Coolmore or Godolphin) is what restrictions are placed on the jockeys who get retainers which explains why some jockeys get shown the door quite quickly. Doyle has moved from Juddmonte where he did well to Godolphin where he only got a few good rides and is now riding very well for William Haggas and others. SDS had a good year with Godolphin but seems happier back as a freelance. Hanagan went to Hamdan but was soon back with Fahey etc. etc. Not all about ability, more about the restrictions I suspect. Meanwhile Coolmore have given Ryan leave to ride a favourite for Sir Michael today for the first time in ages.
Sageform,
Meanwhile Coolmore have given Ryan leave to ride a favourite for Sir Michael today for the first time in ages.
RM has ridden Crystal Ocean several times including the last twice, in fact he won on a Coolmore/AOM runner the same day last month
Meanwhile Coolmore have given Ryan leave to ride a favourite for Sir Michael today for the first time in ages.
RM has ridden Crystal Ocean several times including the last twice, in fact he won on a Coolmore/AOM runner the same day last month
The old pocket talking chestnut appears again. Always a sign that someone has nothing very useful to add other than a general swipe. How does anyone know what someone else has backed and it doesn't matter anyway unless you are suggesting that any horse that you back can never be given a bad ride.
Even if you don't rate Moore you are not going to lay all his mounts. What a stupid suggestion. It is impossible to know which ones he is going to mess up on but it will be a decent number.
Even if you don't rate Moore you are not going to lay all his mounts. What a stupid suggestion. It is impossible to know which ones he is going to mess up on but it will be a decent number.
Andrew, but Coolmore didn't have 2 runners opposing Crystal Ocean on those occasions. Ryan often rides the Stoute horses if Coolmore don't have runners but not so often when they do.
Sageform,
OK i see what you meant now. Apologies
Fozzybear,
Parts of your post are erroneous.
Jamie Spencer didn't get the top jockey job simply due to 'godson' affiliation. He was the Golden boy of racing at the time, the Beckham of the turf for want of a better description.
He was a very good jockey and won his first classic aged just 17. Not only did he win the champion apparentice jockey, but both the Irish and UK Jockey championships, the latter twice. This was in the days of Fallon et all.
As I stated the job was too much for him, he was young, and couldn't handle the pressure. Personal issues in his life have also affected him, but he has a good CV and ridden over 2000 winners.
The reason SdS would not get the Coolmore stable jockey is because they only use Irish in that position. If he had been born in Dublin, i still doubt he would get the job.
SdS is good and happy what he does, travelling up and down the country in search of numerical winners. His stint at Godolphin wasn't successful.
As for 'Yes' men, that's part of the game, even going back to Vincent O'Brien and Lester Piggott.
OK i see what you meant now. Apologies
Fozzybear,
Parts of your post are erroneous.
Jamie Spencer didn't get the top jockey job simply due to 'godson' affiliation. He was the Golden boy of racing at the time, the Beckham of the turf for want of a better description.
He was a very good jockey and won his first classic aged just 17. Not only did he win the champion apparentice jockey, but both the Irish and UK Jockey championships, the latter twice. This was in the days of Fallon et all.
As I stated the job was too much for him, he was young, and couldn't handle the pressure. Personal issues in his life have also affected him, but he has a good CV and ridden over 2000 winners.
The reason SdS would not get the Coolmore stable jockey is because they only use Irish in that position. If he had been born in Dublin, i still doubt he would get the job.
SdS is good and happy what he does, travelling up and down the country in search of numerical winners. His stint at Godolphin wasn't successful.
As for 'Yes' men, that's part of the game, even going back to Vincent O'Brien and Lester Piggott.
Fozzy,
Correct, i just checked on Wiki. I must have been thinking of JS
Coolmore policy was always to have an Irishman as stable jockey, but that's obviously not applicable today. I got it wrong, so apologies.
Correct, i just checked on Wiki. I must have been thinking of JS
Coolmore policy was always to have an Irishman as stable jockey, but that's obviously not applicable today. I got it wrong, so apologies.
Much as I would like to see Frankie or Buick win the Ascot top jockey title, Ryan will probably still get it with Crystal Ocean and Thomas Hobson at short prices plus a few others to get some places. He is behind Frankie on seconds and thirds though so needs 5 wins in total.
On the subject of Spencer, Mr Neilson said that he is only behind Dettori on Moore for Royal Ascot wins of current riders which is why he booked Jamie yesterday. Quite funny that Jamie said he spent the first 6 furlongs working out how much he had in hand when the owner told him the horse was capable of 110-115 horse but rated 88. I did back it and thought it must be lame at halfway as it was so far back.
On the subject of Spencer, Mr Neilson said that he is only behind Dettori on Moore for Royal Ascot wins of current riders which is why he booked Jamie yesterday. Quite funny that Jamie said he spent the first 6 furlongs working out how much he had in hand when the owner told him the horse was capable of 110-115 horse but rated 88. I did back it and thought it must be lame at halfway as it was so far back.
Sageform,
Jamie said he spent the first 6 furlongs working out how much he had in hand
That must have been difficult with only 8 fingers and 2 thumbs
Jamie said he spent the first 6 furlongs working out how much he had in hand
That must have been difficult with only 8 fingers and 2 thumbs
He admitted that his maths were not good which is why it took him 6 furlongs
I'd like to see the AOB boys show Moore the way to ride their horses.
Has a jockey cam ever been fitted to Moore? I cannot remember one way or another. If not, it would be interesting if so.
Shame Moore beats every horse on his side after a tardy start on Van Beethoven, but did not reckon the presence of those on the far side though. I think Moore certainly needs to sharpen up on his peripheral vision in the future.
Ryan Moore,
Well done.
Royal Ascot top jockey again ............. 8 of the last 9 years
Well done.
Royal Ascot top jockey again ............. 8 of the last 9 years
Another shortie for Moore. Let's hope he does a better job at steering this one than Sir Dancealot in the Stewards Cup last season.
Another shocker, world class my fooking arse, Stevie Wonder would do a better job
How far back was the **** - then he runs it up the back of the only seriously weakening horse(how the hell didn't he see that?) Incompetent beyond belief - a 20lb claimer would ride better than that.
If he was a foreign rider he’d be crucified by our pundits. As it’s Ryan they’ll call it unlucky in running..
I’m waiting for the ‘unlucky’ and ‘it’s the horses not the jockeys’ comments....
I said to my Mrs 6f what was gonna happen...and dopy Ryan truly obliged....
The apologists will have every excuse in the book MJK...
That was woeful; no pace yet happy to be towed along right at the back. What an intelligent ride from Moore!
Given the calibre of rides is that relevant? Ridiculous comment. Answer the question of ride in last race?
kinda interesting that Mullins and the same owner as fav placed at 33/1 - why are so many TOP trainers so tough to get right? - hmmm - can't think why ;)
Thomas Hobson was never placed to challenge let alone ridden to win.
Ryan Moore - leading jockey at #RoyalAscot for the 8th time in 9 years
plenty of rides thou
plenty of rides thou
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