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Willie Shafter.
08 Jun 18 16:16
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Report stridingedge June 8, 2018 4:17 PM BST
cut him right up
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:17 PM BST
Deffo cost the runner up the race
Report par June 8, 2018 4:17 PM BST
that was terrible
Report tomhunt June 8, 2018 4:17 PM BST
looked under his arm and done him
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
Would never have got past it
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
2nd hmp but didnt snatch it up..
Report GEORGE.B June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
the look under the arm from Luke was the giveaway

you're not going there mate Crazy
Report SlippyBlue June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
Half a length, no doubt it cost the jolly the race.
Report asparagus June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
Absolutely no way it cost 2nd the race.
Report craigie69 June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
FPP bets will say great ride morris
Report carrot1960 June 8, 2018 4:18 PM BST
And Morris knew what he was doing and it was deliberate yet nothing will be done under present rules
Report hulk23 June 8, 2018 4:19 PM BST
did it lose a nose ?  no.  end of stewards ...
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:19 PM BST
Who the fk is betting that at 1.2?
Report asparagus June 8, 2018 4:19 PM BST
Morris was doing just enough late on so winning distance of half a length is misleading.
Report TheFear June 8, 2018 4:20 PM BST
1.2 is insane
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:20 PM BST
Winner tougher than the second. winner keeps it
Report Twoboyz June 8, 2018 4:20 PM BST
Do they chuck them if it is deemed dangerous riding?
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:20 PM BST
I think the runner up wouldve won personally and it should go
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:21 PM BST
im not sure its cost it the race but steards can do anything you dont expect.
Report duffy June 8, 2018 4:21 PM BST
Stewards should ask how after the look under the arm you thought there was room to go across when that should have told you there wasn't.
Report GEORGE.B June 8, 2018 4:21 PM BST
think had Dobbs shown a bit more vigour when in the clear in the final furlong he might have got his mount closer and given himself more of a chance in the SE
Report Tallywagger. June 8, 2018 4:21 PM BST
If Dobbs got busy after the carve up he would have got that much closer. Close enough for a reverse. I think not much chance now.
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:22 PM BST
braemar wouldve won that, utterly convinced, if they dont overturn that they arent fit for purpose
Report SlippyBlue June 8, 2018 4:22 PM BST
I'll eat my hat if the winner gets thrown out.
Report Wesdag June 8, 2018 4:23 PM BST
Winning distance should save the fptp.
Report asparagus June 8, 2018 4:23 PM BST
watching a different race to me. Dobbs was much busier than Morris in the final furlong imo
Report harry callaghan June 8, 2018 4:23 PM BST
be very surprised that is thrown 1.3 seems generous if thats your thing
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:23 PM BST
runner up still had a tankful under him
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:23 PM BST
Twoboyz    08 Jun 18 16:20 
Do they chuck them if it is deemed dangerous riding?

you can have 1000 its dangerous riding.
Report TheFear June 8, 2018 4:24 PM BST
would dobbs be any good in the enquiry? Suspect Morris would be better Cry
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:24 PM BST

Jun 8, 2018 -- 4:23PM, jamesdean wrote:


runner up still had a tankful under him


exactly, braemar was cruising and lost all momentum

Report shoodacoodadidnt June 8, 2018 4:24 PM BST
As always not quite sure of the rule but don't they need to be convinced the runner up would have won - you can't possibly be certain - but stewards a law unto themselves right
Report GEORGE.B June 8, 2018 4:24 PM BST
only cuz Morris knew the race was his at that point
Report duffy June 8, 2018 4:25 PM BST
Just a question whether they feel comfortable throwing a 1/2 length winner out
Report Rider June 8, 2018 4:25 PM BST
braemar was never get past, the filly keep finding and braemar does what he does finishing 2nd again
Report flag of goats June 8, 2018 4:25 PM BST
Why did Luke Morris ease the winner slightly inside the last furlong?

If he wins a length not a prayer of this being overturned.
Report duffy June 8, 2018 4:25 PM BST
didn't see him morris says LaughLaugh
Report SlippyBlue June 8, 2018 4:25 PM BST
Didn't see him Laugh Shocked
Report shoodacoodadidnt June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
Morris must be in trouble but wrong to throw it out
Report enpassant June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
Clearly looked and done him. If that is ok by the stewards he keeps it, if not he's out.
Report stridingedge June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
didn't see him

should be chucked for that comment alone Laugh
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
Laugh luke morris - "I didnt see him" aye fecking right
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
horse racing is full of cheats, fact
Report Gerald the Show Pony June 8, 2018 4:26 PM BST
Unlikely to get reversed but I am not going to change my position on Braemar and the current price. Dobbs very poor there and took far to long to reorganise the horse. Of course Morris knew what he was doing and for me it was dangerous riding regardless of making Dobbs looking amateurish.
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:27 PM BST
The three time runner up isn't getting it
Report enpassant June 8, 2018 4:27 PM BST
the WORLD is full of cheats
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:28 PM BST
No surprise if this gets chucked
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:28 PM BST
whos cheated who?
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:29 PM BST
result stands
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:29 PM BST
Laugh
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:29 PM BST
whats the point of these stewards if they never act
Report BigField June 8, 2018 4:29 PM BST
bit of a joke that it stands - I mean the stewards just don't like changing results regardless of the rules - utter pointless them being there.
Report Wesdag June 8, 2018 4:30 PM BST
A nose & it goes.
Report asparagus June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
Amazing that some people thought that should go.
Report SlippyBlue June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
In France or America the result would be reversed.
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
so basically u can do whatever u want aslong as u win by more than a nose? lol the whole industry is bent
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
a length and no stewards
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
Right result
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
Brilliant. Braemar goes down as an 'unlucky loser' and we get another chance to lay it at odds on next time.

With any luck Dobbs will keep the ride too.
Report Rider June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
correct result.
Report enpassant June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
Keeping the race is fine but stewards all around the country should be forced to look at this race and conclude a clear 'look' and taking of ground is ok under similar circumstances. Then we would all know the score but we all know the same thing could happen tomorrow and it gets chucked out.
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:31 PM BST
SlippyBlue    08 Jun 18 16:31 
In France or America the result would be reversed.

its brighton
Report GEORGE.B June 8, 2018 4:32 PM BST
Luke cautioned. An admission from the stewards that they saw the look under the arm but are doing feck all about it Crazy
Report NOW WE KNOW June 8, 2018 4:32 PM BST
Quite surprised they had an enquiry, PR only as the second still had every chance and the result was not affected.
Report onthearkle June 8, 2018 4:32 PM BST
Shocking clearly looked under his left arm and shut the door and then to say I didnt see him that tells you guilt that said Dobbs took wrong decision ponce ride
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:32 PM BST
Lack of knowledge on here is astounding
Report GRANTCKING June 8, 2018 4:33 PM BST
why was he cautioned if he did nothing wrong?
Report onthearkle June 8, 2018 4:33 PM BST
interpretation of rules
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:33 PM BST
Well done try my best, you were correct about a 1.2 shot

Your knowledge is 2nd to none
Report hulk23 June 8, 2018 4:34 PM BST
if you backed the runner up at least you can take something from morris getting cautioned ...
Report swampy117 June 8, 2018 4:34 PM BST
it seems we are complete the opposite to usa racing rules.anyone can see that it should of been reversed.uk racing stewards a joke.
Report onthearkle June 8, 2018 4:35 PM BST
just protects the paymaster bookmakers who pay on 2 results
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:35 PM BST
Jamesmead= bonehead
Report par June 8, 2018 4:36 PM BST
sit 2 horses off rails, if he goes up inside , half him in two, if he goes right you have the option of pushing him wider.
all legal, but...
Report lookafter your broom June 8, 2018 4:37 PM BST
Ryan Moore would have got it overturned ,
Report jamesdean June 8, 2018 4:37 PM BST
Bonehead?  Laugh

Anyone using that term over the age of 12 needs ignoring..
Report TheFear June 8, 2018 4:37 PM BST
Morris would have talked a good game there imo. There was a chance it could have gone. Only getting cautioned is a joke.

Perhaps Brighton stewards take the camber into account due to experience,,,
Report Try My Best June 8, 2018 4:38 PM BST
I'll be ignoring you thats for sure. Clueless
Report onthearkle June 8, 2018 4:40 PM BST

Jun 8, 2018 -- 4:37PM, lookafter your broom wrote:


Ryan Moore would have got it overturned ,


If Ryan was on the horse would of won and no stewards required

Report BigField June 8, 2018 4:41 PM BST
If my nan was on the horse would of won and she's dead
Report onthearkle June 8, 2018 4:41 PM BST
After watching that ride arent we all through shock
Report Wesdag June 8, 2018 4:42 PM BST

Jun 8, 2018 -- 4:31PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


so basically u can do whatever u want aslong as u win by more than a nose? lol the whole industry is bent


Tbf, 1 won a head last Friday & got chucked very quickly.

Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:44 PM BST
although the runner up was hmp 2 out,the winner was dossing last half fur..they have to be sure the 2nd would have won..very hard to deduce that happened.
Report TheFear June 8, 2018 4:47 PM BST
they dont have to be sure... balance of probabilities init
Report NOW WE KNOW June 8, 2018 4:48 PM BST
It really is that simple, unless the stewards are nearly certain the interference costs the 2nd the race the result will stand.
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 4:50 PM BST
TheFear    08 Jun 18 16:47 
they dont have to be sure... balance of probabilities init
NOW WE KNOW    08 Jun 18 16:48 
It really is that simple, unless the stewards are nearly certain the interference costs the 2nd the race the result will stand.

correct.
Report Wesdag June 8, 2018 5:30 PM BST
An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference approximately 1 ½ furlongs out
when the winner, ALTRA VITA, ridden by Luke Morris, interfered with BRAEMAR, placed second, ridden
by Pat Dobbs. The Stewards considered that the interference had not improved ALTRA VITA’s placing as
although the winning distance was only ½ length, the interference occurred far enough away from the
finish that there was enough time for BRAEMAR to regain its momentum. In addition, the interference
suffered was only minimal, with Dobbs only to having to ease momentarily.
Morris was cautioned for
careless riding as he had allowed ALTRA VITA to drift left towards the rail when not sufficiently clear.

But not enough to lose it half a length?

Laugh
Report Wesdag June 8, 2018 5:31 PM BST
Not the stewards finest moment in explaining their decision.
Report TheFear June 8, 2018 5:33 PM BST
you could tell by morris's atr interview before he even went in the stewards room that he was going to bully his way to keeping the race. They should televise them so we can see if the other jock is doing enough to try and get the race
Report Willie Shafter. June 8, 2018 5:37 PM BST
a shocking elucidation imo
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 21, 2018 3:27 PM BST
screaming from beneaththewaves 08 Jun 18 16:31 Joined: 30 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 10,757 | Blogger: screaming from beneaththewaves's blog
Brilliant. Braemar goes down as an 'unlucky loser' and we get another chance to lay it at odds on next time.

________

Ta. Much obliged.

Selection    Odds    Stake(£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/loss(£)
Braemar    1.96    500.00    Lay    21-Jun-18 01:16    500.00
*Average odds: On  Off    Back subtotal:    0.00
Lay subtotal:    500.00
Market subtotal:    500.00
Commission @ 3.6%:    18.00
Net Market Total:    482.00
Report TheFear June 21, 2018 3:34 PM BST
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