Epsom centre looks empty

Maybe the Drug Dogs frightened everybody off.

Used to be 100 quid to take a coach on the hill, now it's 600 ! 10 years ago over 200 coaches , now less than 50.

It did look a bit underpopulated yesterday at Epsom, and the number of buses was significantly down on previous years. What a shame! I do not like the marquees...just not in-keeping with The Derby.

Chester gone the same, Used to be a band, loads of food and drink outlets, dozens of bookies. Due to the restrictions on alcohol and the management hating poor people it's a desert now.

Whenever the catering and entertainment at an event are taken in-house the enjoyment and ambience suffer without a doubt - only corporate benefits. This is similar to the townies with their loads of dosh buying up residences in a holiday town.

They showed a feature on Lester Piggott on ITV yesterday.

Old footage of Never Say Die - his first Derby Winner - and the likes of Nijinsky et al.

The crowds were ENORMOUS - The in-field/Hill absolutely rammed - and on the Stands side, crowd almost back down to Tattenham corner.

These tented villages for Corporate Hospitality - are nothing other than an eyesore.

Somebody will probably invent a marquee in the future that bridges the course itself - with premium prices charged for the overhead view.

Was shocked how barren the centre of the course appeared. No doughnut van or shooting range.

those ENORMOUS crowds would also have been on a wednesday afternoon - a working day ...

A school day, too.

The corporates ought to be accommodated in a hot air balloon and made to stay up in the balloon for the entire duration of the meeting as they tend to be there mainly to be seen and contribute little, if at all, to the atmosphere and ambience of the meeting.

Numbers and atmosphere a whole lot better than 10 years ago imo. I go every year and have noticed a huge improvement over the last 5 or so years. The addition of the funfair to the centre and new bars and food outlets to the grandstand area are very welcome. Loads of well dressed women now attend enjoying the day out. Well done Epsom. Heres to a weekend Derby/Oaks festival as soon as you can organise it - why run the Oaks on a day when 80% of your potential customers are at work ?

HELLO REGIT , I STOOD ON THE HILL THIS YEAR PROBABLY FOR THE LAST TIME,EPSOM HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY,THE GREED OF THIS ORGANISATION HAS RESULTED IN THE HUNDREDS OF COACHES THAT USED TO FREQUENT THE HILL BEING REDUCED TO AROUND 50,EVERY YEAR EPSOM PRICE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE OUT.AS A BOOKMAKER I HAVE SEEN SLIPPAGE,TURNOVER,AND PROFIT DECLINE TO A LEVEL WERE ITS(FOR ME) NO LONGER VIABLE

'factmachine', I could not agree more. Even watching it on the box - I only live 3/4 miles away in Cheam - it was easy to see the numbers were down, and some bits of the course were underpopulated compared to previous; the character and ambience pf Derby Day have deteriorated.

facts
you don't fancy putting your slips take and exes on
no probs if you don't
Ronnie.

UNLIKE ADGE I NEVER POST MY ACTUAL FIGURES BUT TRUST ME THEY WERE POOR,ASK ME AT THE RACECOURSE AND I WILL HAPPILY OBLIGE.

facts
thank you

ITS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT WHEN THEY HAVE DRIVEN ALMOST EVERYONE AWAY (RACECOURSES IN GENERAL) BUT THE MEDIA RIGHTS MONEY FALLS DRAMATICALLY (REDUCTION IN FOBT STAKES)  VIA PAYMENTS TO THE RACECOURSES,WHAT THEY WILL DO TO ENTICE THE PUBLIC BACK? I FEAR THE DAMAGE WILL BE DONE AND A FEW NEW HOUSING ESTATES MIGHT BE SPRINGING UP SOON

Facts difficult for you to say probs but how many "bookies" on the hill are shysters.

3/4 years ago i wanted 20 at 22/1 as shown, tried to trim it to 14s and hoping i wouldn't notice. (i had a can of lager in my hand)

DAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE

ITSMESWADDLE,PROBABLY THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE THAN ANYWHERE IF THE TRUTH BE KNOWN

Thought so.

A shame on you real boys trying to bookmake. Presuming you take a risk.

THE TROUBLE IS THE EXPENSES ARE THAT GREAT,ITS FOR SOME THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN RECOUP THEIR OUTLAY,AND SO THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL CONTINUES!

BOOKMAKERS THAT STAND HORSES ARE NOW IN MINORITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS,FACT!

How many horses a meeting (on average) do you stand.

I STAND HORSES 95% OF THE YEAR!

EVEN OUR BOOKMAKER ASSOCIATIONS ARE DOMINATED BY COMMISSION AGENTS,FACT!

All the best.

Facts
have you still got the office
if so how is it doing
regards
ronnie

NO,ONCE AGAIN THE EXPENSES GOT THE BETTER OF THE LAST REMAINING INDEPENDENT BETTING SHOP IN ST HELENS.

facts
I have bet with my local independent for the last 12 years  he tells me the same

HILLS.CORALS,LADS AND BETFRED,ALL PAY A LOT LESS FOR DATA/PICTURES THAN SINGLE INDEPENDENTS,NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD,THE ONLY REASON OUR SHOP LASTED SO LONG IS UNLIKE THE FOUR BLUFFERS ABOVE WE WOULD TAKE A BET WITHOUT PHONING THE POLICE,AND NO ONE EVER GOT RESTRICTED OR MONITORED,FACT!

correct me if im wrong but people on the hill are not paying customers so how does the numbers affect racing?most of what is on the hill attracts all the sort of people who would go to the opening of an envelope if it meant getting pissed.few years ago they had a 'music' stage,and i use the word 'music' loosely,attracted mostly teenage hoodies who coudn't care less about horseracing who started fighting just like the p1kies who frequent the hill.good ridance

THE MAJORITY OF THE CROWD ON THE HILL ARRIVE BY TRANSPORT,WHICH HAVE TO PAY ON ENTRANCE TO THE HILL AREA.

DESPITE THE MASSIVE EXPENSES THE BOOKMAKERS PAY TO BET UP ON THE HILL,THERE WASNT EVEN A TANOY SYSTEM THAT THE PUBLIC COULD LISTEN TO,THERE SHOULD AT LEAST BE A BIG SCREEN!

facts
same as my independent
I have been betting for 40 years if he packs in I think I will pack in
regards
Ronnie.

so 150 extra 'coaches' paying £100 each equals 15k

big deal

WARHAN,YOU DONT WORK FOR JOCKEY CLUB RACECOURSES BY ANY CHANCE DO YOU?

no lived in epsom all my life

TEA £2.50P FOR A PLASTIC CUP,100 CUPS SOLD ALL DAY,TEA £1 A CUP, 1000 CUPS SOLD AND PEOPLE COME BACK,WORK IT OUT!

thought they came for the racing?

EPSOM AND MOST OTHER RACECOURSES ARNT INTERESTED IN THE RACEGOER,IF THEY WERE THEY WOULD TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME RACING NOT DRIVE THEM AWAY!

EPSOM AND MOST OTHER RACECOURSES ARNT INTERESTED IN THE RACEGOER

and i can assure you most of the people on the hill aren't interested in horseracing

WEDNESDAY WAS MUCH BETTER

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY CERTAINLY ARE,THE PRAWN SANDWICH BRIGADE IN THE CORPORATE BOXES HALF PISSED AND RIP OFF DRINK ARNT!

PRESECO £6 A BOTTLE,AINTEE THE SAME BOTTLE £36,YEP THERE DOING A GREAT JOB,COME RACING!

HAYDOCK PARK THE LAST FRIDAY MEETING,IT COST MORE FOR A GLASS OF THE ALCOHOL BEING SERVED IN TATTS THAN IT WAS FOR THE BOTTLE,RESULT NO SALES ALL DAY!

facts
only do 16days York 16 days cheltenhan 4 days the royal meeting know
the thing I have noticed is the bars are chock a block but nobody is watching the racing,
sweet dreams
ronnie

SPOT ON RONNIE,AND THATS WHAT THE RACECOURSES WANT!

i understand where you are coming from and i agree about corporate 'hospitality' but don't kid yourself people on the hill spend money which benefits the track/racing.They take their own alcohol,food and leave all the sh1t behind

I WONDER HOW LONG IT WILL BE BEFORE THEY START CHARGING PEOPLE TO USE THE TOILETS?

why not?they do everywhere else

WARHAN,THE TRACK ARE RIPPING PEOPLE OFF WITH THE PRICES THEY CHARGE,WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ??????????????

£7 FOR A BURGER THE DOG WOULDNT EAT

facts before I go to bo peebs
I was at York a week gone Saturday a guy on the rattler back home told me he him and his bird had spent 300 quid at the races and he had never watched a race
sweet dreams
Ronnie.

don't mean to sound like a snob but i like going to places where it is around £5 a pint because it keeps all the sh1t out who go out with a score in their pocket expecting to get p1ssed,just go into any wetherspoons pub and you will see what i mean.

CHESTER,WATCH ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CORPORATE VILLAGE WITH THEIR BACKS TO THE RACING AS THE HORSES RACE PAST,IF THEY HAVE HAD A BET THEY WILL GET A CHESTERBET DIVIDEND OF THE SP -10%,COME RACING!

and if they bet with oncourse books they will get less than the exchanges,are you going to direct them on to here?

waham
over a fiver a pint at ascot and goodwood
not the nicest places latley

what percentage of people there involved in trouble?more likely to have a punch up in the village post office

WARHAN,YES THERES NOTHING LIKE PAYING £36 FOR A BOTTLE OF PRESECO,AFTER YOUVE EATEN YOUR £7 BURGER,IT MUST BE VERY SATISFYING,DO THE RACECOURSES GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT ON YOUR ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP BADGE?

waham
before I go to bo peebs
the oncourse punter has never had it so good
sweet dreams

don't drink preseco, prosecco or eat burgers from caravans,anyone who does deserves to be fleeced

THEN BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF ON THE HILL WITH A PACKED LUNCH

the oncourse punter has never had it so good

don't be stupid Ronnie

do oncourse books give BOG = NO
do oncourse books pay FPTP and amended result = NO
oncourse prices ALWAYS less than exchange
some books 1/6 or 1/7 the odds E/w

AND PLEASE TAKE YOUR LITTER HOME

WARHAN YOU CAN GET MORE THAN £2 ON WITH THE ONCOURSE BOOKS

no i would be better off watching the racing in the stands,drinking a normal drink then going for something to eat afterwards like normal people

NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,PLUS YOU WONT BE STOPPED IF YOU BACK A WINNER

I used to go horse racing regularly but not any more - no value for money - not even Derby Day (being in Epsom) unless to show friends (professionals and mainly foreigners) from the other side of London an experience of the ambience. Derby day is the biggest event on the flat - forget Royal Ascot, it's for the toffs - and the flagship of Flat racing.

Well behaved non-payers eg families with kids, etc, assist in creating the right atmosphere too; corporate boxes less likely cos' only there to mingle and network, and unlikely regulars in the future.

no but you will be offered a shorter price than on the board so u can arb with the machine

48 cans of 330ml Coke/Diet Coke for £12 @ FarmFoods = £0.25/Can

Epsom Tattersalls = £2.20/Can

Next year I'm watching The Derby in FarmFoods!

DONT BUY YOUR NORMAL DRINK FROM THE RACECOURSE,YOU WILL BE FLEECED! WARHAN THE HILL IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE THE PLACE FOR YOU

why?

BRING YOUR OWN

wahan
20 years ago the word overboke was never used
today it is used everyday
ronnie

NORFOLK

do oncourse books give BOG = NO
Some do actually, all would if they had a bank of FOBTs next to the joint

do oncourse books pay FPTP and amended result = NO
Again some do, again all would with FOBTs next to the joint to make the money

oncourse prices ALWAYS less than exchange
Nonsense.  If you ever go racing again glance at a computer screen.  Everything flashing red is at or above the exchange. 

some books 1/6 or 1/7 the odds E/W
Again, nonsense.  Nothing worse than 1/5th odds allowed.  Been the case for a number of years.

All in all and excellent contribution.  Yet more ill informed bookie bashing.

more bollocks wasnot

was at the Henessey meeting couple of years ago and one bookie had 1/7 the odds E/W,more 1/6 the odds.as for the BOG and FPTP/amended result ALL mainstream betting shops/websites offer this.as for prices 'flashing red',try getting a bet on that price over £10

WARHAN,WASNOT IS SPOT ON!

AND TRUST ME ITS VERY RARE THAT I AGREE WITH LORD WASNOT

Must be more than a couple of years ago with respect.  Rules changed 1st September 2013 to enforce standard each way terms on course.  Also the web and shop based companies you mention use the racing to entice punters onto their casino operations.  On course only have the racing.  As regards getting on, you clearly are not a racegoer.  Everyone gets on on course.

you are telling people to come racing yet prices/incentives off course are better

waham
just a quick one how does the ex rails bookmaker  s liddle make his living
ronnie

WINNERS NOT ALLOWED ONLINE OR MAJOR HIGH STREET FIRMS,WINNERS WELCOMED ONCOURSE,ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMISSION AGENTS

Everyone gets on on course.
not at the price on the board

Watch 'The Gambler' first episode starring the late Jonathon Rendall,asked for 1k on Flagship Uberalles @ 11/10 (on the board),bookie offered him evens

that was 20 years ago

that was 20 years ago

exactly

before the exchanges,so now its better?

before exchanges you could get huge bets on if you knew who to ask.  in modern times pitches have been bought and sold and the old fiddlers have been replaced my millionaires.  Can get fortunes on now, and not only if its bigger on here because on here the odds are often available to pennies.

because on here the odds are often available to pennies.

only outside the first 4 and thats for a reason

clearly warhan hasn't seen a racecourse in more than 5 years.
as regards betfair orices , i laid a £100 each way one at doncaster on friday evening at 33/1...it was 46 for £3 and 42 for £2 on here , the next highest being 28 for £6...total waste of time..never went higher than 28 and finished 26....thankfully it was unplaced [ and no , i didn't snap up the £3 and £2 ]

only the off course books can get the big bets on now because they manipulate the sp's,as for  laid a £100 each way one at doncaster on friday evening at 33/1...it was 46 for £3 and 42 for £2 on here would you of laid the bet if it was 25 and 23 on here?

This Royal Ascot must be ok,Mr Hooper certainly thinks so.

Corporate profits are all that matter to those in power and the wealthy. Train companies are not run to provide a service to the population they are

run to maximise profits. The NHS will eventually be the same. Banks are not there to serve the needs of the population they exist solely to further

stuff the pockets of the rich. Race courses are only interested in keeping their shareholders happy .The racing is secondary.

Radical changes in thinking throughout society would be necessary before anything changes for the better of the general public.

Those in power will never let that happen and the general public have become so brainwashed that a revolution is beyond the realms of possibility.

Epsom delighted as 65,000 enjoy gorgeous weather at trouble-free Derby

By Graham Dench
6:11PM, JUN 3 2018

There was no serious trouble at Epsom during the two-day Derby meeting from an aggregate crowd of 65,000, plus tens of thousands on the Hill on Saturday, racecourse boss Phil White has reported.

yes , was once hundreds of thousands on the hill and that was on a wednesday too.
traditions and atmosphere now just memories

SPOT ON,ROGGRAIN.

SAW A REPORT YESTERDAY ON council in Nottingham who have their own energy company,and an expert saying it would go bust costing taxpayers money,because those involved didn't have the skill,expertise to monitor daily changes in the wholesale price ,not understanding that those with so called sed expertise only used it to fill the pockets of directors,shareholders etc and not pass any savings onto the public

GREED GREED GREED AND MORE GREED,RACECOURSES IN SOME CASES NOW SQUEEZING THE PIPS!

THIS COULD ALL BE PART OF THE MASTER PLAN,OF PRICING ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS OFF THE RACECOURSES AND PUTTING IN THEIR OWN IN HOUSE BETTING OPERATIONS,SIMILAR TO CHESTERBET WERE THE RIP OFF CONTINUES SP -10%, EXPECT IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO SEE FEWER RACECOURSES,AND VERY FEW ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS,THE ONES WILL BE LEFT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE THE HIGH STREET BLUFFERS RETURNING THE BENT SPS TO THE REMAINING BETTING SHOPS,HAPPY DAYS

The intention of the Racecourses is that they are going to do that, collectively,  with BRITBET - which will be OWNED by ALL the Racecourses.

The upside for them being - Britbet will be Pool betting - so a guaranteed 'rake-off' - and no potential liabilities - even at SP  minus 10%.

Britbet as a stand alone - Course bets only - is, of course, a vulnerable entity - and that is why it is 1.01 that Britbet will amalgamate with the existing Tote Pools - those, and consequently Britbets's, Pools being potentially boosted by the outside investment that Fred has secured.

Interesting times ahead.