Townend proved it's the horse's not the jockey

Top class jockey

You obviously didn't watch that race

You're making an observation on one race. Instead try asking yourself if it's a coincidence that the same owner's two horses ran below expectations.

would that be the same owner whose laurina hosed up in the race before

A big ship called Titanic sunk a while back. Just to let you know.

Every horse should be ridden like it's the most important race in the world.Thats what difines a top class rider. Your argument is rubbish

Apr 1, 2018 -- 4:10PM, corruptus in extremus wrote:

Every horse should be ridden like it's the most important race in the world.Thats what difines a top class rider. Your argument is rubbish

Should be, unless the trainer tells him otherwise. It's not as if McCoy never sat out the back on a JP horse and gave it no chance is it?

op class jockey

Certainly a good judge of pace. Fecking horse was running on fresh air turning in it was so knackered poor thing.

It may not happen so much now but I can remember at least 3 instances of a jockey arriving in the paddock after a previous fall and not being in a fit state but still rode (horses I owned a share in) and went through the motions out the back. Top 10 jockeys in each case. Ever since those experiences I am very cautious about backing a jockey who has had a bad fall in the previous 48 hours.

...Sage...a point well made , and duly entered into by brain.

I only back horses on NH races, so valuable tip.

I'll put it this way, my holy grails don't look at jockeys at all, let the market sort that out.

each to his own Gaze. My list of priority over jumps is owner/trainer/jockey. On the flat it is pedigree/owner/trainer. Form rarely comes into it as I prefer unexposed horses.

Townend is like Ryan Moore - Big races he gets it right virtually all the time which is very impressive, but like Moore in lesser races he can throw in some strange rides - but hes only human!

Another of these thread types that'll end up going around in circles with no conclusion.

Suffice to say , sometimes they ride good races , sometimes not so good but the impossibility to predict before the race is for even themselves to predict which one.

To assess a jockey's overall capabilities based on one ride tbh is ridiculous in the extreme.

Do we all remember our own days at work , some were good but some not so good but tbh i never look or even have a view on how good a jockey / trainer are because i'd be changing my mind one race after another such is the guesswork involved , instead i'd rather look at who's employing these people and make a judgement from there.

The most obvious missing word not used on the thread so far is subjectivity   

The above seems proven by the fact that every time there's a jockey bashing thread on here it's normally inevitable the same jockey will seemingly miraculously redeem themselves later on the same day.

Try this - if you think there's a jockey who either wins or doesn't bother to place - look him up in a database, and lo and behold, in the long run he places as often as the odds suggest. Most jockey angles are useless.

With trainers, long term studies are often useful. Which times of year do they do best, do they bring out all of their best maidens at roughly the same time? If they get a run of poor results do they shut up shop for a spell or just keep running them? Some smaller trainers have very few winners before July but then once their horses are well handicapped and there is plenty of flat races to choose from, they start having winners.