Looks FOBT cut to £2 is off the table.

It was never going to be cut to £2.

Yep..£20 must be no offers..bottle job MP

That's perfect all of the benefit wasters are still priced in

Wish hed said that last week then books might have offered some decent prices this.

But the bookmakers still wont take a decent bet,these bookmaker licenses should be revoked on any bookmaker not accepting a reasonable bet to take out a certain amount that matches what the FOBT machines pay out on their jackpots,then there probably wouldnt be any bookmakers left.

too many MP's got nice new shiny floating duck islands for it ever to be £2 ...

The STAKE  issue is being convoluted ,never really been clearly  called ,STAKE UNIT and TOTAL STAKE are being used incorrectly ,there should be further restrictions with some kind of ID System for FOBT Players so further control can be imposed via loss limits and session times to take the sting out of the losing experience and prevent the effects of losses impacting further afield in the community ,it needs contained and managed  in shop .

It was never going to be 2 quid a spin  why  a lot of  kick backs .. no what I mean

You mean total spin steak or total spin steak unit ?                                                                                                                      Know what I mean

If the bookies don't get their profits from fbots then they will get them from punters.All these people screaming for a cut to £2 are saying ooh i want a worse deal from the bookies on racing.

there must be plenty of independent on course bookies who would willingly engage in us and them jousts on course, no access to BF ( just put the blockers on the ring that Betfred have in most shops ) make a book, lay it and let the on course market speak. Layers would hedge amongst themselves depending on their views or takeouts. Those who bet in the shops get industry prices as the SP market will have no bearing on prices returned on course. Punters can choose too battle the old enemy on course or take whats given off course. No High St reps on course skewing the SP's by chucking a couple of grand at the same old faces to ensure a reduced SP.

Instead of doing in £200 a spin, they can now do in 10 spins @£20 a pop for the same money.

Come racing.

Whenever did bookies offer a decent bet with a 2% over-round?

never.

A reduction to £30 has been recommended by the Gambling Commission, an institution supposedly created to govern and monitor gambling addiction and the behaviour of betting entities.

What a let down the Gambling Commission are!!!!!!

Being featured on Victoria Derbyshire BBC 1 now.

£30? ffs!

The " bookmakers" must be fist pumping themselves into oblivion.

maybe the government could cover any losses accrued by problem gamblers,you may laugh but today their debating whether to set up units to check the purity,suuitability of peoples drugs before they take them in town centres,clubs etc.

To be fair and accurate the GC are recommending £30 or less, but with some caveats eg tracked play mandatory across certain machines; banning different games to be played in a single session; ending sessions when players reach time and money limits, and a few others.

The aforementioned are all well meaning and good but who'd be doing that? The staff who are single-manning, on just above average pay, etc? The bookies' bosses do not give a hoot and most willing to pay the penalty (if caught) issued by the Gambling Commission (GC) - the ginormous profits generated will easily cover any penalty dished out by the GC.

£30 a spin. Unbelievable Jeff. i bet thats cured gambling addicts across the country in 1 fell swoop. Change of sets of trousers around bookmaker high street boardrooms as they sit in a pool of  p!ss laughing their heads off.
Fobt turnover reduction of diddly squat if any.
Wouldnt be surprised if it increased with all the free advertising.

I was going to point out what impossible has about the GC's recommendations. It's up to the Government now to prpose a figure to Parliament,and I suppose it's not an entire given they will get it through. I agree it's unlikely to be £2 though. Those other measures mentioned will make life more stressful for any staff who actually try to enforce them. I wouldn't bother in their position.

Should impose a big sign on the front of every machine that says "HAVE A LOOK AT YOURSELF IDIOT".

Just above the picture of AP ?

Why this concern over people throwing their money away?

People lose money all the time and fortunes as well through starting businesses that fail.

Then there's the massive amounts lost by ordinary people when they venture into the stock markets.
Who's looking after their interests?

Yet when a few unwashed plebs lose their dole money down the bookies, they all have to be protected from their own actions.

They probably claim a Hardship Payment Crippen. If they get it I imagine you would be furious.

Just shows what a few free lunches can do.

This is the same gambling commission that could not help me when LADBROKES self excluded me when i simply asked them to close the account as they offered nil pence on every bet asked for. They then had the cheek to keep my winnings as self excludees are not allowed to bet. Gambling commission said it is there business, they can do what they want.....and you G.C are about as useless as the other G.C from the only way is Essex....pathetic!

These commissions are set up by MPs to provide jobs for their own kind. There's an army of people working in similar quangos.

They employed 111,000 people in 2009 and spent £46.5 billion, of which £38.4 billion was directly funded by the Government.
Wiki.

They generally mess about doing nothing, or submitting reports that end up in the dustbin or making suggestions that hit the headlines but are rarely acted on.

Toothless and expensive, they're generally regarded as providing jobs for the boys.

All this fuss over FOBT, and what's happened?
Somebody has made a lot of money out of the investigation, that's what's happened.

Assume the GC are protecting their own and not Racing. They should tell us the drop in their income if half the shops shut...

Bookies want waster junkie halfwits in the shops.
They don't want people studying form and having a chance of winning.
Free coffeee for the toothless feckwits and a diet of cartoon racing and fobts until they are skint.

They are all looking after their own self interests and protecting each other - but if the FOBT figure is set at £30 then I don't think much will change from the current situation.

This subject is highly political/toxic and if that happens then it will just fester and keep coming back to haunt the government. Rest assured one year on from the decision we will all be looking at how much has been lost on the FOBT's compared to the current £1.8 billion a year and the amount of problem gamblers.

The government has so many issues to sort that the levy lost in the grand scheme of things is peanuts.

I,ll ask again we,re led to believe every fobt in every shop  Is been used 16 hrs a day by uncontrolled problem gamblers, yet when discussed on tv its the same bit of video,same faces,
on the day this is announced why arnt the media,those who want them banning out in forves at ,loads of bookies up and down the country talking to so called 100.s of problem amblers who.ve just done their nuts,and back tomorrow and another 100 different shops with another 50,60 different problem gamblers
ive seen 2 or 3 well educated blokes witlh decent jobs crying about doing their brains and the a  few chavy lads losing the house keeping, and its the same circle year after year especialy the middle class ones giving their storys to the papers,why isn't there 100,s and 100,s of them

Will a Claxon go off if the £30 Limit is Breached or if the Punter is playing 2 machines at a Time ?

Or is a member of staff Monitoring the situation ?

On another point how many Criminal Damage charges are brought on the Hundreds of machines that are wrecked each Year ?

£30.........nap

The GC can say what they want but it is Parliament not the Government that decides.

There are indications that a number of Tories will vote for an amendment that will force a max stake of £2 for FOBTs.

1sttimeposter - losing your paycheck gambling is one of the most embarrassing things that can happen to a man, I'm surprised you read of even 1 story of a person confessing they've done their wages yet again on the machine, there's a reason you don't read hundreds/thousands of different stories about this happening - people don't want to admit it.

you must be joking 30,40 years ago maybe,ion todays eworld stick a csamera,microphone near somebody and they,ll tell you their most intimate secrets without batting an eyelid

You may be right, but I've done a lot on those machines in my college years and could hardly tell 1 or 2 mates let alone the world and I was 18/19 at the time, then again I've never been one to be big into social media so could be a different story with the Instagram users and all that, just personally I'd find it way too embarrassing to let out.

I'd be majorly embarrassed if I went anywhere near the things.

Looks like the  £5.5bn loss in tax revenues outweighs the misery of losing everything on the spin of a roulette wheel

The Government won't lose 5.5 billion though will they? Surely all this money that isn't spent on the machines will be spent elsewhere, creating tax for the Government won't it? It may not be at the same rate etc but it will more than likely be spent in the UK economy, and the recipient will be paying tax on it.

It's the usual scare tactics imo.

The £30 or less is only a recommendation - it could mean £5. Nevertheless, I think quite a few MPs will be voting in favour of £2, IDS is one of them.

IDS, will propose 2 quid then propose cutting benefits because the riff raff wont need so much money,

The final decision is likely to be £30 since it is the recommendation of the Gambling Commission.The GC is a waste of time hounding small time on course bookmakers whilst not protecting the public from FOB's.To liken these to crack cocaine could not be explained better.In addition it is a perfect avenue for money laundering.It should be no bigger than £5.

LOL BBC news npw

Reporter in Sheffield Hills, Freds & Coral all next door to each other, the middle shop Freds's door was boarded up I wonder who did that

Not me guv.

Everyone clapping their hands £30 is like no difference as all the wasters do their dough in the lower range and they know that what a pack of koonts

A genuine question, please. When did 'freddy' takeover the Tote? I'd a shock today when requesting assistance to deposit and was greeted with an advisor from 'freddy'. I knew I'd closed my account with them after they welched on a free bet.

Some years ago.

i'm still in the £20 camp, Govt will be seen to be clamping down (80% cut per spin is acceptable all round) and bookies can live with £20 spins, all done now, bookies won't be seeking bigger exposure on the nags.

Please stop referring to them as 'bookies', it kind of implies that they are persons capable of making a book.

accepted, but the High St Massive were once bookies when I was a nipper, how about mini casino operators? No morals we're Ladbrokes  Corals, Fred Done ya like a kipper, welch on the bills Hills and turned Betfair sour Power.

when I was 1st betting there were lots of small bookies they even wrote your bet out on a raffle tkt,taking odds from the blower service they were bookies but didn't make a book.same lads stood at Cleveland park and it was always a game of chicken as to who priced up 1st and the odds adjusted depending on punters rushing to bet,the 1st one up was todays betfair the rest just followed

First time  poster
Cleveland park seems a different world away, after a bad evening it was always a long walk back to  thornaby station the road never seemed to end,
re the books I can remember Sweeney boyle and joyce, can you remember the others.
have a good day
regards
Ronnie.

Max of £30 per game for roulette and maybe some other casino games such as Blackjack.
Max of £2 per spin slots.

Wouldn't surprise if there was a concession to the bookies such as allowing six FOBT's into each shop.

remember the same 3,no better feeling than taking a few quid off that miserable face joycie, it was best before the track owned all the dogs, ellah darkie from trap one of scratch in the last race was my fav dog, happy days, short priced fav  in orange off 12 in the last used to send the crowd home happy when pishing up

first time
do you remember a dog RUN ON WOMBLE.
got me out of trouble many a time,
regards
Ronnie.

yes Ronnie, and I can still picture joycie in his arther daley camel coat, also remember the 2 scurries [sprints] on every card

first time
have had my thinking cap on but still can not think of anymore books that stood up
Ronnie.

there was an old baldie fella with glasses ,black Crombie who stood next to sweeny but cant put a name to him

alan someone maybe

A few That did me some favours at Cleveland,Kalamzoo Hero,Run On Magpie
and Glenbourn Joe

when it was a private track remember having my rollocks on 60 to win 40 on a right slow old boat called master bubbs in orange off 12 ion the 1st race, one of the lads new the bookie and he give us 4 to 6 20 mins before the off and it ended up 2 to 5 and just managed to cling on by a diminishing sh hd, it was along time before I went big on an odds on shot again,this was about 36,37 years sago

It was stated that the Levy would be hit.What a load of rubbish,seeing how the Levy is based on profits of onshore,and now offshore horse racing.Racing should be ashamed of itself stating that a £2 max would really hurt the industry.Racing is supposed to look after itself,and not be  reliant on gamblers playing on gaming machines in order to be subsidised.
  Carolyn Harris,s letter(Swansea East) to Theresa May makes good reading on this topic.
   Regarding the Gambling Comm,s submission,it appears that their research is sadly lacking.
  i think there is a lot more going to be aired on this very contentious issue before the ridiculouslylong wait for thde final decision is reached.
It is unacceptable that the Govmt. has avoided reaching a conclusion as to what to do,seeing as the research started in 2015!!!!!!!
   I suppose that is the norm in the world of politics.

I'm afraid until one of their loved ones or relatives is a victim of this crack cocaine betting/gaming machine (fobt) the government will be unwilling to act decisively and/or stringently to redress its proliferation.

Personally, anything above £5 max limit is a let down to society and those affected by fobt.

On page 17 of the RP today the ABB says, "Cutting stakes from £100 to £2 would be a disproportionate action and would mean people could bet more on a pub fruit machine, that has no responsible gambling measure in place, than a FOBT."

Either they are talking b0ll0cks - like usual - or this needs updating: http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PDF/quick-guides/Gaming-machines-in-pubs-quick-guide.pdf

The maximum stake on a pub fruit machine is £1.

Billy Day stood at Cleveland Park. A lovely fella who has just passed away. Always a pleasure to talk with him and do business with him. Tommy Hamilton stood there along with little Joe and his brother, cant remember their surnames now.
The times of the track owned dogs were best. Kalamazoo Hero was a fav of mine along with his litter brother, Rattling Pat. Then there was Asdee Gambler, Miltown Singer, Fish Tank, Egg Cup, Cahernagh Own, Run On Magpie (who used to tear off miles in front but needed an oxygen bottle from the last bend). And in the days of the three day week when they used to race on a Saturday morning i remember one of the slowest dogs on the track, Dawn Assault, winning off the front. It was a black and white thing who always looked as though it was in need of a good wash. Atlantic Flight was a speedy sprinter and won me many a few quid and i always remember a dog called Chame Football who had difficulty putting one leg in front of the other.
Happy days.

floozy
each way billy day those were the days
regards
Ronnie.

you have a  choice when playing, i was addicted to fobts but not now , my max stake was £12 but only seen one person ever bet the max of £100, the best run ive had was early december last year to mid january when i won £1k, lost thousands over the years but got bored of them in the end, slots bore me to death, blackjack isnt 100% fair, you dont know how many decks there are, but in the end you have a  choice whether to play or not but i do beleive around £30 is a fair max stake, you can still do £500 in 10-15 minutes playing £30 a spin

I believe it is about being able to play on a number on roulette to win £500 at odds of 35/1.So as long as the max stake is around £15,then that is possible.Not going exact as that involves pence.Surely that is the lure of the wheel,to be able to win a monkey/spin,and as long as that is still possible,then there shouldn't be too many long faces.