rab havlin

i would love to see havlins account just for today

maybe, but at least I'm not a STALKER, I wonder when the guys will get your next R Havlin update kant wait. cheers.

nowing havlin ,,wont be long

you must be some relation to stevie wonder

knowing

It was a poor ride and certainly had a whiff about it. Firstly does this horse have to be delivered late? I certainly do not think so. What it does need is a clear run of at least a furlong to build full momentum which if you go back and watch its previous 2 wins at Wolver you will clearly see. On both occasions Havlin got lucky with breaks at the right time but further out than today. Secondly what was obvious from 4 furlongs out was that Hardie was hell bent on keeping Havlin boxed in. He should have switched to the outside when he had the opportunity in the straight as sticking to the inside with gap not there the horse was never going to build the momentum it needs to hit top stride. I am sure Havlin knew this and punters are right to be aggrieved. Finally I am not arguing that this horse might have its quirks the head gear suggests this but any hanging today was caused by running up the arse of horses in front. Look at when the horse won on boxing day. Came from out the back but up on the outside in the straight certainly not hanging.

more clowns in this thread than 10 billy smart circus

cardenden being the No1...

cardenden    Joined: 27 Feb 17
Replies: 5299 28 Feb 18 16:55 
as soon as i saw him being interviewed ,i knew he was up to something

cringeworthy at best.

pablo-fanque    28 Feb 18 16:39 
rab had no where to go until the last half furlong/furlong as he was trapped in coming around the bend ,so when he eventually got the gap it was too late .

100% correct...nowt to see..happens every day. clowns pocket talking.

lol, the shafter. cheers.

he drew the punters in ,, knowing he was gonna pull the horse,,  i musy say hes brilliant at it though.

and its you hes shafting

Don't think anyone is denying he had nowhere to go until it was too late. The point is he shouldn't have been in that position
at that time. He had time to make a move way before then and as mr phantom has said needs to get into a stride.

A tricky horse - possibly.  A dodgy ride - don't know 


A bad ride - most definitely

cardenden you are without doubt one of the biggest clowns thats ever posted in the forum.

another potless mug that spends all day talking nonsense.

until should read when* it was too late..

these horses weigh half a ton..the jockeys get a split second to make a decision..if it goes wrong the pocket talkers start screaming bhent..yes you're entitled to feel aggrieved fair enough..but theres nothing to see..ive seen many horses not get a run in a 3 horse race.

and the horse wasnt even gaining in the last 100yds..wasnt exactly flying at the finish.

The fact it wasn't flying at the finish emphasises the point he shouldve made a move earlier as obviously doesn't have a great
turn of foot

he tried and circumstances didnt allow it..

next please.

You're missing the vital point. He tried when it was too late. He's rode the horse 6 times before, winning 4.
He wouldve known what type of horse it is and what was needed

It was a bad ride, if it wasn't bent which it probably wasn't he'd probably admit himself he couldve done better. Just because youve seen it happen before many times doesnt deter from that

it looks bad becos things didnt pan out..its easy riding in an armchair.

he stopped the horse ,,E  N  D   O  F

HES A MAGICIAN AT DOING IT,,  ,,

cardy either a pi$$taker or same brain size as a slug.

King Kevin beat Perceived 3/4 length last month over C&D. Today Perceived was 10 lb better off, and duly beat King Kevin by a length.

Yet King Kevin was odds on. You had two choices: back King Kevin at odds on, or lay it.

If you chose to back it at odds on, who would you say looks to have made the worse decisions here:

A) the jockey? or
B) you?

king kevin has risen over 2st in the weights in 4 mth...its now got little in hand.

Cardenden clearly breaching his restraining order

Is there any choice of no bet, screaming?  Or must we only be allowed an opinion if one had either backed or laid said horse?

everyone is entitled to an opinion..but most are biased due the financial outcome.

Was a 2/1 shot in my book, initially with Frank factored in but I left it at that when Rab took over.

It always helps to put your money down when it comes to opinions. Concentrates the mind. Forces people to think a little bit harder.

I think Tottenham will win tonight. By your reckoning I must go bet them even though I have no idea if they are value or not

No financial interest here. My view is that it was a poor ride (whether by accident or design) but far from sure it would have won with a clear run anyway.

if you have no idea if a price is value james you're in the wrong game.

You don't have to have a bet. But like on any matter, I'd respect the opinion of someone who has had a bet on the game more than someone who hasn't.

Agree willie. That's why I wont be backing Tottenham tonight even though I think theyre bankers

So you'd respect someones opinion more just because they had a bet on it?

Lets take cardenden for this point. He's possbly had a bet on it. Barton bank hasn't.

Are you more interested in cardendens opinion as hes had a fiver/tener on it than Bartons.

I'm sh1t at football. If i back spurs tonight does my opinion count more after the match than Pottechino's (spurs manager) as he doesn't bet?

Nonsense

ignore cardenden james..the blokes either a skint unintelligent clown or a troll.

if his name is the village he lives in, he is both

Fair point, jamesdean.

Did cardenden actually back it though?

its obvious it would have won with a clear run,but how can you blame the jockey when the 2 horses in front veered left then right,neither of them parting or keeping a true line

Would he definitely have won? He isn't really closing at the finish though I appreciate the interference had cost him momentum. The race had been quite steadily run and the winner wasn't stopping.

Just done the mouseform ratings and adjusted the basic figure +2lb ie it would have been a 3 way photo, couldn't be certain he'd have won.

going by the the last 100yds yds im not certain it would have won.

Look at the horses previous wins at Wolver as I already pointed out. Yes he was no really closing at the end as the horse was asked to pick up over less than half a furlong. This horse needs a steady run of at least a furlong to really find its stride and momentum. The posts about needing to produce on the line are not based on evidence of last 2 previous runs at Wolver. On both occasions Havlin rode the horse so he knows this hence it was a poor misjudged ride or conversely a smart ride but in a more sinister sense.

switched twice cruising against horses with clear run in full momentum;impossible to call,but an opinion would favour the impeded horse

to go from stop to making up four lengths in a furlong?cmon

in hindsight nothing including the 2ndfav came from behind,so havlin spent the whole race boxing himself in on the rails in what turned out to be a 3 runner race with a long wide home straight to sort things out,yet even when not getting a run and the horse in front ducking to the rails and everybody watching, expecting havlin to come wide to challenge ,he took another pull ,waited and still wanted to come up the inside

if you believe this ride was sinister you need a different hobby.

sorry half a furlong

it didnt stop..was slightly impeded in momentum.

he did well to win on it before after being hampered or having to come through the field from way back, if he hadnt won those raves, no doubt it would have been sinister rides to some.

no financial interest today so viewing it a couple of times - a poorly judged ride and punters rightly aggrieved but not running on at finish
tbh his ride on Malteser at Lingfield was worse when he got that beat (similar ride) he's either overconfident or bent but given he's just back from a lengthy ban the latter one is extremely unlikely unless he's thick as mince. Anyway the ride he gave utmost when it won recently at lingfield was superb

A useless filthy urchin who wouldn't make a living as a jockey in any other racing jurisdiction - and I hadn't a bean on it.

UK AW jockeys as a cohort, must be pound-for-pound the least talented group of professional sportspeople in the world, no overstatement to say that.

imo jockey no fault.all these people have been on the right end of such happenings.thats life if you wanna gamble on horseracing.swallow it.

You can swallow it and say the jock is sh!t, he does this kind of thing all of the time, never where he shoiuld be. I wouldn't touch anything he rides, he's useless; and yellow with it.

forum 1st..willie and chav n full agreement.

Bellissimo.

Ah he's sh!t lads, we have all the documentary evidence, how could anybody think he is an good?

The Everton centre forward from Turkey, garbage, no redeeming features as a centre forward, won't score a premier league goal.

Chris Eubank Jr., can't close distance, can't really box, useless when it comes to it.

Not just Havlin, in fairness.

like all sportsmen..different levels of skill...he can ride to a better than average level imo..gosdens no fool.

The lad Joshua is fighting the end of March, stone cold useless.

Feb 28, 2018 -- 7:39PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:

like all sportsmen..different levels of skill...he can ride to a better than average level imo..gosdens no fool.

no its u thats the fool

they said on here de boinville was gash

I think John Gosden values him more as a workrider and as a governor around the yard. I think he plays at being a jockey a bit myself, very casual rider, no pro-active enough, just lets things happen, which is why I don't like him, but I don't see that much day-today racing these times, but that was the impression I had built up.

Not a jockey basher particularly.

cardenden..as well as being a t!t you're also a bullsh1tttting t1t.

me and you should get the gloves on wullie ,,  pay per view

4:45
Goodwood
23 May 2002
Baker Tilly Trophy Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
(Class 4) (2yo) 6f Good
1st £4,426.50 2nd £1,362 3rd £681 4th £340.50
   
1 (8) 9. Pearl Dance (USA) 33/1 Robert Havlin John Gosden 2 8-11     –    –    76    –   
Dwelt, soon tracked leaders, effort over 1f out, shaken up to lead last 150y, soon in command (tchd 50-1 in places)

Eddie Fremantle and I both had £1,000 to £20.

Rabbie

i love a good work out ,, thats all it would be to master you.

cardy..im way way past my fighting days..but i will resort to whatever it takes.

I don't have any agenda with Havlin at all myself. I thought the horse today was a steering job but did come with risks given its come from behind style. In my opinion as stated for the horse to be seen at full effect it needs at least a furlong to come with its run. Which I am sure Havlin knew based on his experience riding the horse.. It was I who used the word sinister but if u actually read what I said it was one or the other. Either a poor misjudged ride or something else at play. My opinions are entirely based with watching videos back of todays race and the horses previous 2 wins over the same C/D. Punters who lost their money have every right to feel aggrieved but as we all know those are the pitfalls of horse racing betting.

personal losses sometimes blinkers ones view.

his previous wins were off a much lower mark, a steering job ????

the h/capper has got him now..has little in hand.

Yes a steering job given the level of opposition that was in the race.

Feb 28, 2018 -- 7:55PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:

cardy..im way way past my fighting days..but i will resort to whatever it takes.

im 65 ffs , if you cant take me ,, you need help..  good luck mate

do you have a zimmer wullie

i think this race is a good judge of the forum.

thats more like your IQ.

ya gotta love an abusive pensioner

well played cardy

yes cardy..9mm

york hock?

not exactly jamaican hock is it

filled plenty prams..

not the ones you paid for i hope

nicked.

65 ffs! You have the mental age of a ten year old

you're being generous ..

very average jockey, lacks tactical nous and initiative, can do better if sent back to training school

would he make your uk top 30?

mr phantom

you aren't really suggesting that on the only racing of the day with the eyes of the racing world looking in,an odds on fav ridden by a jock from one of the top yards in the uk ,trained by a household trainer and punters have to factor in either that the horse is off, the jockey might pull it or both before having a bet, the game must be on life support and waiting to be put out of its misery,

Pre race, I think we all knew Havlin would give it a shocker.

So when he did, I was not surprised in the slightest.

I thought Frank's attempt on it the run before was worse though.

wd bb..did you lay much or are you just aftertiming?

Comes wide with an earlier run and wins well today, learnt from his mistake last time out imo...

Wd Rab

Willie Shafter.
28 Feb 18 19:03
Joined: 15 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 7,849 | Blogger: Willie Shafter.'s blog
the h/capper has got him now..has little in hand.

Had to win today after that last run

Wd Rab

Wazza's form knowledge and his IR expertise poles apart ...but he might not agree

The thread is proof of why I rarely comment or come on here anymore. Idiots trying to tell me that my eyes were lying to me and questioning my reading of a race and riders. King Kevin not only proved on his previous victory that he needs to come with a sustained run as alluded to by myself and some others backed up by video evidence obviously ignored by the 'experts'. Tonight actually showed that he is in a different class to his conquer Blue Rocks on the day in question of this thread. By finishing some 10 lengths in front of that horse on similar terms. Even taking in the extra half furlong and different course still proves the point of what some of us were saying.

Don't worry mr.p, those doubting he shouldve won that night will be on here shortly to admit they got it wrong..

Oh I don't worry james I have my own mind and have other things to be thinking about whether they do or not. I imagine most who did will casually ignore.