'are bookmakers unfairly closing customers accounts' debate

There isn't really a debate on this and they know it

You are about a month late woo there were many threads at the time discussing this subject as well as the proposed minimum bet feel free to reignite the flames here is a link to one of the threads

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30983873/sky-bet-ceo-richard-flint?post_id=553431423#553431423

thanks denzil, haven't looked at the betfair forum for years! presum all the above was mentioned back then. ta

yes all been discussed plenty and plenty of times you'll have no struggle finding it on other threads either

have you seen those links to the individuals involved before? the one you posted here just seemed to be about account restrictions/closures which have been going on for years. the people involved who 'appear' not to have links to bookmakers are interesting, particularly the wiki on the mp.

not sure what you mean woo

Davies has been getting back handers and wined and dined by the racing industry for years

Here's a couple more links to related threads

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30981657/mps-to-tackle-bookmakers-over-case-for-new-minimum-bet-rule-in-horse-racing?post_id=553447237#553447237

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30983347/fobt-stakes-2-can-it-be-true-my-fingers-are-crossed?post_id=553410723#553410723

well i wasn't looking to debate bookmakers restrictions, as you imply that has been done inside out, what i was trying to do was to draw attention to the people involved in the debate, see the racing post link. there doesn't seem to be anyone independent of bookmakers involved once you scratch the surface.

That's correct woo the same thing applies to all racing bodies of power or decision.The BHA Chairman,The Racing Post Editor,The Gambling Commission,IBAS and even The Original Members of The Horse Bettors Forum.
Punters have no voice and no chance and the lies continue to be peddled round the racing world who are oblivious to the reality of punters outside the sport

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30572059/horseracing-bettors-forum-members-announced-17-aug-15?post_id=545895241#545895241

As well as the obvious links listed to bookmakers here the less obvious have twitter pages and tipping sites etc. They make money through being bookmaker affiliates essentially earning money from those who click through their link and lose with the bookmakers,my brother was one and after my response he hasn't brought it up since but many earn 1000's per month.

yes i met a few back in the day, glad i am doing other things now. remember the days when shybet security system was checking you out if you made a large withdrawal, could stay under the radar for ages by not doing so! the first days of internet betting, no going back for me now. glad folk are aware that those reviewing the current situation all have links to bookmakers anyways. davies wiki seems to sum him up quite well! most tipsters were rubbish, we had one fellow who an acquaintance picked up on that was pretty bad, however we sussed out the info he was getting from a top 6 flat yard was excellent. he never knew we only ever backed tips from that yard and probably wondered why we stuck with him. apart from that, which was down to an acquaintance i always steered well clear of tipsters, many charlatans and many simply no good!

1000's per month.  for referring people to a bookie who will in all likelihood limit them to peanuts after 3 bets.


.... i'm in the wrong game

Woo do you wake from hibernation every year to make a post 14 in 15 years..

last reminisce. i used to chat with a well known tipster on msn, i think he did actually make a profit, but not through betfair, used to tip under various aliases though, think that was common practice back in the day. my most enjoyable bets were intentional losers. once i sussed shybet would cut anything i put my pennies max stake on if i noticed whilst going about my business that they were top price in a decent quality race when it was a big drifter on the exchange i used to put my 10p on, or whatever it was, no idea how much i cost them by reducing their chances of laying big drifters in big races lol.

no gigolo, as i said before i packed up ages ago, just noticed that article and the con of it peed me off ;)

hulk23 It's nice to live knowing you haven't sold your soul

just referred my mate 'bob' through a link to boilsports.  he wants £500 e/w on a 9/2 shot running on saturday, will probably go off 6/4.


when do i get my grand ?

That's about maximum stake now woo

hulk23 You'll get a % of Bob's losses every month point him to the casino

i'll be honest denzil.  i can't see that amounting to much ...

'bob' says if i ever see him playing the casino at boilsports i have his permission to shoot him in the face ....

he's also questioning my reasons for the referral, thinks i only did it for the grand .... (which i still haven't got, how long does that normally take ?)

It'a a hell of a situation hulk wherever you see those bookmaker links there making money from the clueless and gambling addicts.
My bro started doing it to get some extra money as he was paying from a wedding and a lad he knew who was a student was earning 4 figures every month from having a tipping page on twitter and some bookmaker links

fair play denzil, sounds nuts

but seriously will i have the grand before lunch ?

What you need is lots of mugs losing (as that's where you earn from) clicking through your site and you get your % on a monthly basis

woo will return in a few years time to tell you some more stories.

These affiliate schemes sound great, you can get paid for ramping ones up against your own selections.

The insidious world of the internet tipsters with gambling affiliates where the more their followers lose the more commision they get.

Pressure is mounting on the gambling industry to end gaming affiliate schemes after Sky Bet closed its programme, citing changing regulatory requirements.

The news comes after the Guardian revealed how dubious tipsters were earning 30% commission on the losses of punters who signed up through affiliate links to bookmakers.
Revealed: tipsters deliberately recommend losing bets to punters
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According to current and former tipsters and industry experts, some tipsters profit by deliberately recommending long-shot bets that are unlikely to win to their followers on social media, who can number in the hundreds of thousands.

In a statement that suggested Sky Bet was anticipating new rules in the currently unregulated sector, the company said: “The regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance.

“In order to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the [affiliate] programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective.”

Charities and pressure groups welcomed the move and called for others to sever their ties with the so-called tipsters.
High street betting must clean up its ac

A spokesperson for the Campaign for Fairer Gambling said: “Affiliate sites that masquerade as tipsters exist because operators constantly need new customers, as a huge proportion of their existing player base get into financial difficulty as a result of gambling-related harm. So closing down affiliate sites is a necessary step towards a more sustainable sector. If they are serious about preventing harm then other operators will follow suit.”

Affiliates have become one of the main ways for online casinos and bookmakers to gain new customers after the cost of conventional pay-per-click advertising rose sharply in recent years.

While some conduct their business legitimately, others are alleged to deliberately mislead those who have come to trust them after they have built a rapport by showing evidence of occasional wins and by having an approachable tone.

To access the operator’s tips, followers must sign up with the particular bookmaker or casino to which the vendor is affiliated. They often advertise free bets to lure in new users. However, users often have to make up to 35 bets before any winnings can be withdrawn.

Due to the vast amounts that some dubious tipsters earn from the losses of those who signed up to an online bookmaker or casino with their link, they can afford to make a loss on their own bets.

While Sky’s decision to sever links with affiliates is a milestone, it is not the first operator to address the problem with links to unscrupulous third parties.

Ladbrokes recently pledged to adopt much stricter rules with their affiliates and to undergo greater vetting to “learn any lessons” from ongoing engagement over unfair Ts&Cs.

The Ladbrokes chief executive, Jim Mullen, told eGaming Review: “We’re bringing our affiliates very much closer to our own group policy before they can represent us and that’s one of the improvements that you’ll see.

“While we have always sought to keep competitive, we never sought to step over the line and we are clear that we will learn any lessons.”

Carolyn Harris, the Labour MP for Swansea East who has campaigned on gambling reform, predicted that greater scrutiny would be placed on the affiliate networks used by the gambling industry and claimed Sky was acting now to avoid being caught up in litigation later on when the full extent of these practices are revealed.

“The cynic in me says they’re finally waking up and realising these practices are immoral and rather than face the consequences of their involvement in this dreadful industry, they’re running scared,” she said.

A spokesperson for William Hill said: “We continually monitor our relationship with our affiliates and update our terms and conditions in line with regulatory changes.”

They like to let the RP.RUK,ATR and every TV network do it for them seems more socially acceptable

It is the lowest of the low and despicable deliberately tipping long price no hopers and losers to boost their bank balance. Let's hope the bookies experience a similar fate in the near future as the banks have done with PPI from Government or Gambling Regulator.

^ Would be great if applied to betfair's premium charge as well.

Looks an unbiased panel

Reminds me of a time when playing cricket years ago and I was batting, I was hit on the pads, easily going down leg side.

Unfortunately I knew my fate when the bowler's appeal was

"Howzat dad"

Why would bookmakers want to take bets from anyone who shows that they know anything at all about horseracing/form when they have got the FOBT, Irish lotto (totally random) & football given the Man city result. Lets have the max stake on FOBT cut to £2 that will be the first step, then lets see about following some of the states in Australia and making then lay a fair bet or lose their license.

Just a thought : This is the biggest on line betting forum and threads often get started attracting good posts Re members negative experiences with account restrictions and OTT verification when W/d are attempted.They then become buried and forgotten which is exactly what the Bookmakers concerned expect and hope for.Would it be worth starting one dedicated thread which would grow and remain constantly bumped........One thread with hundreds of posts and constant activity might prove helpful in enabling us to help ourselves.?

If members agree how would we best achieve this ? using CAPS for the title and encouraging all to post on it.?

clayfield is correct. However there will have to be legislation to enforce a minimum lay requirement. One book going it alone would be commercial suicide.