racing post running scare stories about the reduction of maximum stakes on fobts

Feb 8, 2018 -- 6:38PM, Barton Bank wrote:

I understood your comment to mean he said that we don't require more prize money. He's right about the prize money being unacceptable to plenty of people within the sport. But if the sport cannot finance itself without relying on the misery created by the FOBTs there is something badly wrong.

Very well said Barton, no way should a sport require so many to lose so much especially when those losing aren't even interested in our sport

impossible123
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Now, one of its journalist is opining about the cryptocurrency Bitcoin when its price is in decline. With due respect what does he know about this medium of exchange working for a racing paper?

Exactly,how these lot can expect a wage is beyond me

regarding brigusts 16.45 post, not upm on the legal stuff but   could there be "claims made against bookmakers by fobt players ! i remember years back when the fobts first stated  i would pop to my local bookies on a saturday morning  to get a footy coupon and 2 attractive girls in the said bookmakers attire would be outside the shop offering free £10 bets on the fobts with the line "its a free bet  you cant lose " not only to people entering the shop but anyone passing men or woman , god knows how many non punters were lured onto the fobts by this ruse but probably plenty of lives ruined .

Very true not to mention the free buffet and tea/coffee or even the Betfred double credits to students and under 21's which nobody has mentioned.I watched a staff member track a couple of young lads down the street to snare them to the deal which they took and lost.

If lots if Bookmakers close, when hopefully we get £2 max stakes so be it.

However, I think there will still be plenty of annual profit at £2 max stake. A £2 spin from observation, on a slot type game takes perhaps 3 or 4 seconds, so be generous and say 5 seconds. 12 spins a minute, £24 a minute if you are sadly sitting there pressing the button like a zombie.

I remember when I was 15 or so, hearing that the 2 fruities in the local Catholic club were earing £10k a year each, it kept the club going, and that was a 10p stake!

The Bookies don't know what will happen, they are guessing, but with single manning, I'd be surprised if a shop with 4 machines that were regularly used before, did not still make a tidy sum.

I'm willing to crowd fun a test case if former addicts of fobt and their families could be persuaded to come together to seek redress from bookies and have these machines made obsolete on the high street.

They simply want their guaranteed profit. They cannot lose on the machines.

Now a days so many big gambles get landed on the horses. It can be quite volatile for the bookies. Problem is the bookies have gotten so greedy they also want a guarantee profit on the horses as well. So anyone who knows what they're doing simply either get their account banned or restricted to 40p bets.

However if I made a new account with a bookie and won 14 days straight on the slots nothing will happen. But if you open a new account and win 3 days on the bounce on the horses. Your account gets closed down or restricted.

Are they trying to push the man who likes a horse punt onto the FOBT's?

The bookmakers ideal scenario is every punter playing the FOBTs, virtual nonsense, 49s, maybe throwing in a few bets on mug football markets where they can bet to 150-200 percent. They don't want people who have any chance of snipping away at their profits.

FOBT is a no a lose business model for bookies come rain or shine, but fobt must not be allowed on any high street premises masquerading as betting shops operating on an ancient betting/gaming legislation and terms and conditions.

Imagine Baldy without the FOBTS LOLOLOLOLOLOL....He's hair would probably grow back and fall out again, the fooking parasite..he's staff are totally clueless, more clueless than all the other bookie staff in the shops

Baldy would have a raffle every 5 mins in every shop, £50 to enter..
first prize £5.00  lol

Regarding the staff the only time in my life that I can remember being called a fcuking liar to my face was by a woman working for Betfred
A few years back I was going round the shops putting on some a/post bets the Saturday night before R Ascot and I asked politely for some prices for a couple of races to which I got the usual "we don't have prices for them".So I said you do I've just been to 2 of your shops and got prices to which her reply was "you're a fcucking liar show me the slips".So she rang one of the shops which confirmed what I'd said and told the manager there that she was phoning head office because she'd given out prices on those races.
True story it was annoying at the time but not unexpected tbh

Re The Bet Fred treatment when they closed my on line account via restrictions I tried by phone which can sometimes buy you a few more bets.I have never experienced such abrupt and rude responses. Perhaps he treats his staff like rubbish so they feel able to do likewise to customers.?

Re my above post I phoned and asked for £100 @ 9/4 as shown on Odds Checker.I knew I had no chance of getting this on line.The bet was accepted the horse drifted but won 7/2.When I phoned to W/d my £450 I was told NO bog was only aval to bets placed on line for this particular race and you are being paid out @ 9/4.This was years ago but sure enough hidden behind the green button Fred said bog "for bets placed on line"not "only" which might have been more helpful.!

Still not an excuse to treat a customer in that manner though.

I closed my online account of my own accord after baldy reneged on a free bet offer post placement of a bet stipulated in the email. They then kept pestering me with further emails saying I could have the free bet after all, but no doubt would execute a thorough id verification should the free bet result in a win; encountered the same experience with paddies.

What,s the betting that in the next few days the R/POST will run a story about how someone has won a life changing amount on a multi bet for a couple of quid, no name of the so called winner. It happens every year before a big meeting, just another way that this rag bows to the big boy bookies instead of checking and making sure the story is 100% true.

1.01...

Haven't bet with Betbald since he didn't pay out on the Accrington Stanley so called fixed game from many years ago.

i know a few people who have told me, they threatened them with the small claims court, they always pay out before anymore bad publicity..But i think thats all too late nowadays

BB Im sure you have joined in such threads before but there is too much racing. Too many poor horses and poor trainers, jockeys and the like trying to eke a living out of £2k pots or even £3.5k (wow) to the winner. So much poor fayre put on severlely diluting the prize money pool. Two meetings a day in midweek and 3 or 4 on a Saturday, with one extra evening gig three times a week in summer. Nothing on a Sunday because its never really taken off her. Who wanted all the dross wall to wall racing, oh thats right, the High St but now they have virtuals, Indian , African and Martian every 5 mins from opening they don't want to even pay for the hellish gutter racing they wanted and forced the BHA to sanction because of it lack of direction and strong leadership. Bring forth the cull on shop staff, stable staff, horses and trainers and then start again with new business model that can be fulfilled by the newly streamlined Racing industry.

Just remember in life nobody but nobody is entitled to an easy ride, its just some are born that way and nobody seems to doubt their entitlement. In fact the majority just accept the status quo and the fact the RP is a bookies mouthpiece and not for punters just shows what a closed shop the industry is. Get Barney on the morning line against the Corals windbag and see who wins the debate ( on any subject from gambling to Iraq  and even Trump ) One is a realist, one is a rabid fantasist and liar yet guess who always get the platform to air his **** and with a megaphone?

Wildcat Army. 09 Feb 18 13:05
Haven't bet with Betbald since he didn't pay out on the Accrington Stanley so called fixed game from many years ago

Me too, I wouldn't have gave a shoite if they suspended betting on the game like the others, but not them. They took bets right up until kick off and when they copped they then voided them. What was said back then by our Racing Press and pundits....

The truth is simple. They have morphed into casinos, become complacent at the guaranteed risk free profit - £1000 per machine per week on average ffs - and now the cash cow is about to be slaughtered are cr@pping themselves. Lost the art of bookmaking and have no idea how to recover it.

if they want to get proper staff who know how to MAKE A BOOK, run a BETTING SHOP and not an AMUSEMENT ARCADE, they will have to pay the wages.
and thats something they've not been doing since FOBT'S came on the scene..Why get somebody who knows what they are doing, when they can pay someone minimum wage who's only job is to open and empty the FOBTS ?...But that looks like changing

I only wanted a tenner ew one tomorrow with Skybet, they offered £1.25, shocking

should have their bookmaking licence revoked and barred from laying horses and sportsbets, if they want to be a casino operator, fine open a casino or advertise the business as a casino. They have nothing to do with bookmaking and only bring sports betting and bookmaking into disrepute.

Sadly, we are fooked, Post will never say anything about it

The Racing Post is sh1t, and because there is no competition it is able to operate with a leader that's clueless and feed solely from the bookies' fobt machines; the paper is not fit for purpose, and neither is its leader!

I'd like to think BM gets a pup at Crayford or Sittingbourne, pays fees for 6 months gets it nicely graded then on the job day gets £60-£20 from 3  online books then tries to punt it on course and gets offered 4/5 or even 4/6 ( for about £150 max ) The dogs aren't dying they're are dead and horseracing is only 2 or three years behind. Sure the festivals and G1 tracks do ok but the rest are struggling to exist let alone entertain or become competitive. Roll on £2 limits and getting rid of the dross. The tracks, the trainers and the horses who wish to operate beyond basement level and indulge in the chicanery the exchange allows.

cant say to much but sad to say its looking very bleak for a lot of staff
Ronnie.
ps yossa where are you

Hopefully that's a good sign Ronnie, pity about the staff though. Do you by any chance remember Hector McDonalds in Wood Green Ln22 my mate George ran it, I did boardman one Derby day,place was buzzing and we only had extel.

Some amount of filthy media propaganda now in circulation about problem gambling and how the crack cocaine FOBTs are not to blame. Absolute scumsters ,should have started the max stake at 20p ,£2 a spin .                                                       The twisted media departments want to tell us there are few problem gamblers on fobts whilst pushing the line that they need a high max spin stake and threatening job losses. SHAMELESS SCUM.                                                                                                Goverment should be introducing min age for cat D gaming machines ,and making slot machine type arcades age restricted along with limits on all types of gambling for those under the age of 21.                                                                                 According  to the gambling commission return to player  (RTP) has to be displayed even for cat d machines ,displayed but does not stipulate where and have never seen it myself .                                                                                                         The Gambling Commision  have to be replaced ,the stench is overpowering ,and not just on the font issue.

Very true breadnbutter

workrider

Sorry for the late reply, just got in after my second 13hour shift on the trot

re Hector Macdonald unfortunately I don't know the shop in wood green as I live a few miles away in the wild and windy north east. I did however know Hector as he used to bet on pick 1 on the rails at the Royal Meeting, in those days the courses used to make the governor stand themselves on the pitch and I remember in the last few years he used to go in his wheelchair, it was sad to see and thankfully the rule no longer exists.

I also know one of his ex staff who only lasted a few weeks working for him, the lad did a good few quid in when Frankie had his 7 up.

talking about how Hectors shops were always buzzing, today when the Schweppes was in running there was only 1 person in my shop, and it was me

bookies being restricted to £2 and they are crying like babies now lets hope and pray it comes off they should be lucky most of us me included get restricted anywhere between 10pence and 17pence a bet don't understand what the problem is ! and BM of the scum of a paper should grow a pair and a admit the game is in a worse state than it ever was FACT because of this vermin  SIMPLE

Ronnie those are terrible hours, needs must I suppose, I remember my mate was going to take a chance on holding a £10 treble from a punter, you could in those days,thankfully I talked him out of it, of course they all won and it paid a couple of hundred, more than 3 times his wages at the time. Remarkably there's a letter published slating fobts in today's Post I kid you not.

Really ?

Fobts is a bigger sponsor of Horse Racing in Britain than the high profile rich individuals and companies eg the Sheikhs, Qipco, Qatar, Investec, Sun Alliance, Vodafone and many more; taking money from the sick and deprived to fund the sport of kings for the wealthy.

It can only happen in Britain, and nowhere else not even in Ireland where horse racing is a passion with most!

1680 jobs to go Cor/Lad..confirmed by E Mail

they know the limit is coming then!

Big field
cost cutting want to save 100 million
Ronnie.

feel sorry for those that will lose their jobs and obviously its bad news for racing

but nothing will please me more this year than seeing the likes of your firm ronnie having the biggest kick in the knackers they've had in years
2 pound a spin YES SIR

time for a root and branch overhaul of the betting industry landscape and the entire structure of the sport of horse racing
big and unpopular decisions need to be made and noses need to be pushed out of joint and it needs to happen now

No doubt many hundreds of High Street shops will close if this does come about but I can't help but think it is a good thing to happen. Like someone said previously, maybe they will start to take bets OTC again although I won't hold my breath.

they won't slippy
the slots will be the main focus of the FOBT addicts business and they will push virtuals, scratch cards, 49s etc much harder than ever before
horse racing punters, dog racing punters, other sports punters = they can all feck off same as now

Was the man charged with the Birmingham firebomb attack and murder in Paddy Power shop a FOBT player ?   They were quick to mention mental health but not heard much if anything about the accused or his motive .Of  course it's a live case but should be restrictions in place to protect the vulnerable ,think this is a big fail from the industry ,can't sell a drunk man alcohol but don't see anything in place to prevent someone suffering from mental health problems suffering losses that they can't afford or control . Apparently most compulsive gamblers are suffering from mental health issues but that's one stat you won't see pumped out by the pro FOBT pr machine ,all went quiet on the Vegas mass murder motive as well .

the only thing that will be pushed in shops is plus or grid sign ups and self service betting terminals. they want punters online, on mobile and using terminals. this will lead to a reduction of staff costs.

i still very much doubt that it will be anywhere near the £2 that some seem to think will be a given

BnB i have seen many a drunk man sold drink

Shops will still be there for many years to come and the only ones - mainly- to close will be the very ones that opened in 1st place to accommodate getting extra machines in .

As ive said before on subject Ronnie Corals once upon a time liked to take a bet but when they went all "nobles amusements" they ended up losing some of their most profitable shops cos they wudnt take a bet on horseracing but thought fbots were there to stay and guaranteed income for em - eventually they fleeced the sheep and now the machines stand mainly empty in the North East and similarly the exact same will eventually happen in other parts of the country and they will end up wiv no customers cos people cant/wont bet on horseracing anymore .

A change of business strategy is long overdue......but only after the horse has long since departed methinks

evening Tom - it will be - £20- £25 a pop I reckon

Evening Paul, yeah it may well be

even the worst landlords don't let someone suffering from mental illness get miraculously drunk ,that would be a quick way to suffer problems with the licensing board . Birmingham has one of the highest rates of FOBT saturation and revenue in the U.K. i read .

the problem for horse racing is when this generation goes, they wont be replaced, football and other sports the future.

Correct - my son hardly ever bets on horses bar a Saturday yet religiously bets on footy and a day at the races for him and his mates is all about getting as much drink down their necks no matter what the cost wiv the betting side of things a minor niggle to them whilst they wait for whichever groups to appear on stage

my son is the same and his mates, all football no horse racing and no interest, even though he was brought up with racing on the tv

Went to Ebor back in August wiv some of his loons -all paid for on my behalf lol and they were gutted there was no band on afterwards

If it is £2 maximum in reality how much profit will be lost

I doubt many players play more than £2 a go

Most addicts I mean FOBT players still lose the same amount of money just take them longer

I think it's bookies just lying like normal

If loads of shops do close the only people I will feel sorry for is hills employees

Every time I try and place a bet in hills the staff are still reality polite and treat the customer with respect say like every bookie stalk employee used to 15 years ago

Betfred and paddy power are a utter disgrace the way I get talked to when trying to get on

Hope all the staff get the boot on the dole the lot of them

And it's utter rubbish now all this internet only on rptv flying four races

How can it be media rights

It you ain't taking pictures so what surely you can still take the bet

Must be getting around taking on line bets as the bookie is registered abroad

How old are your sons?  I'm early 30s and have loads of mates who go to the races to get off their heads.  A fair few don't even have a bet and not one of them knows anything about racing.  For 99.9% of people my age it's just a day on the lash and nothing more - at least that's the way that I see it.

The thing that I don't understand is why they travel to the races to do all of this.  If you're not even watching most of it, why not go somewhere else?  I suppose that they eventually all will, which leaves very few people paying into the sport in the end.  I can't see any way back for racing.

at least that's the way that I see it

Just to clarify, I don't mean that I see racing as just a day on the lash, but that's how I think that they see it.

good excuse to put your cheap suit on and play charlie big spuds for a day ...

31 and i totally agree Rob, why pay over inflated prices for drink in a plastic cup, that you probably had to cue for ages for.

lets be honest, its not a cheap day out

They do Rob - my sons in his early 20s and thick as Basil Brush re life - I watched one of my sons mates buy a cheap bottle of fizzy for £30-£36 cant remember exact amount and promptly drop it right in front of me covering me so it looked like I had p1ssed myself - they were so hammered and train back twice had chain pulled by other loons so much so that the transport police were on hand on every station on way back when we eventually got there

ps my suit wasn't cheap lol

good excuse to put your cheap suit on and play charlie big spuds for a day ...

One of the lads that I know buys a new suit every time he goes to the races.  From Matalan.  Says it's guaranteed to get wrecked, so he just bins it when he gets home.  Then goes to the races, spends about £100 on booze, £50 on gear to ram up his nose and £5 on a placepot, which is usually dead after the first leg.

and promptly drop it right in front of me covering me so it looked like I had p1ssed myself

was it you in the Melrose

was lucky enough to be at the plate day the year Tominator won. walking up to the course beautiful day, this stunning blonde, a 10 all day just in front of us. she goes behind a bush for a piss, comes back out, gives her dress a wee tug down and walks on as though nothing happened,

ye cannae beat a bit of class

amazing day though but carnage by the 4th race

nowt happened Tom .... move on 


Recently found out that Marnie Simpson offa Geordie Shore is the daughter of one of my school pals

ps Chavs must be working tonight......but sometimes...... ya gotta bite

#classyguynot

The bookies are always prophesying the worst about a reduction in fobt limit would mean. But do they ever try and explain the sudden proliferation of betting shops in high streets of deprived areas sometimes with a betting entity having 2 or more in the same street? Instead of scaremongering the bookies ought to employ better qualified and knowledgeable personnel to run the bookmaking business rather than the likes of Simon Clare - someone who would sell his grandma to promote his paymaster - and Andy Hornby, a disgrace former Ceo of Hbos.

The bookies in the high street do not produce anything; they only create one job (single manning) but responsible for many miseries; the majority of the staff do not have a clue about bookmaking or taking bets. I bet you some of the present staff (new) do not even know/understand the difference between odds of 1/3 and 3/1 or calculate a double.treble without using the settling machine. If these people go sobeit, re-train like most and get a proper job!

The loss of jobs at Ladbrokes / Corals got anything to do with the GVC takeover ?  Was highly published that head office staff would merge with obvious job losses there as 2 became 1.

If one works in an industry where revenue and profits are derived mainly from the sick and deprived without a smidgeon of risk involved eg fobt (crack cocaine of betting) as it is the case in the high street betting shops operating under old betting/gaming licences and conditions then these shops should have been dealt with much earlier and/or not allowed to prosper/proliferate to its present magnitude/

It is long overdue these high street entities should not use the ill-gotten profits from fobt to sponsor/fund British Horse Racing, the sport of kings. It is common knowledge the majority of the present betting staff and some office personnel are unskilled and ignorance of betting.

The fall-out from the demise of banks in the banking crisis, the Carillon, etc, thro no fault of their ordinary employees but solely their head honchos and/or short sighted/ill-informed/bonus orientated individuals of power resulted in high job losses thus the (expected) fall-out of a culling of high street betting shops from a reduction in fobt playing limit, in my opinion,  pales into insignificance. Of course it is sad some of the employees in this industry will lose their jobs but which industry does not when faced with new trading conditions. maybe it is time for their head honchos to earn their keep and/or ship out!

But funding of British Horse Racing from proceeds of the sick and deprived from fobts must never be allowed to continue any longer,...tough but evil needs to be eradicated by all means.

^good post

90% who play them are certainly not sick and deprived,

baldfred stated a few years if it wasn't for people on benefits  JSA pension etc frequenting his shops then half his shops would close

dukeofpuke
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baldfred stated a few years if it wasn't for people on benefits  JSA pension etc frequenting his shops then half his shops would close

Find those quotes and get them in the public eye could be important

It is the Government's or taxpayers' money; the Government ie the Treasury shell out 100% and receive back 25% in tax revenue from fobt, the rest frittered away by bookies in the forms of dividends to shareholders, bonuses to the likes of Andy Hornby and Simon Clare, hospitalities and perks to senior individuals of companies concerned whist paying sh1tty wages to their betting shop staff in addition to introducing single-manning.

Fobt is evil, and any entity saying otherwise could enlighten themselves with visits to doctor/psychologist surgeries, the CAB, religious and legal establishments and affected families. The bookies are presently performing daylight robbery, period.

I'd like to see the head honchos of betting entities publicly defending the presence of fobt in the high street and the miseries generated by fobt; debating with the aforementioned professionals or yours truly to assess how much these highly paid individuals actually understand and/or realise the negative ramifications of the appropriately named "crack cocaine of betting".

The amount of times i've been into a empty betting shop and seen the staff playing on them..Not Good

Very true dambuster I questioned this once in a shop and was told that staff are encouraged to play on free mode to learn the games etc. that maybe true but everyone that I saw were playing with real money,nobody angrily whacks the buttons on free mode
I had a few mates working at various shops that got the bullet for playing the FOBTS for small stakes it's supposed to be ZERO TOLERANCE

I thought fred would have encouraged his staff to play them, how bad, pay them low rubbish wages, and he gets it back on the FOBTS.

than give them loans at extortionate rates

https://www.racingpost.com/news/news/independents-plea-to-may-dont-throw-us-on-scrap-heap/321499

They're at it again

Did they tell the PM that the £2 minimum stake would also stop the world from spinning.

Why is it that the UK horse racing industry is "allegedly" totally dependant on FOBT revenue funding compared with France and Ireland et al, who are not dependant on this degenerate source.

Without doubt a new low from Millington's odious rag.

I don't buy the paper, but that article almost makes me want to cancel my subscription to RP online, even though I'd be cutting off my nose to spite the face.

WHEN IS THIS TO BE  ANNOUNCED ,  about the reduction,,  wouldnt they be better just making them illegal,,  if bookmakers were to shut so be it ,, theres far to much on the streets anyway,, its mostlY women behind the counters, and the shouLd be at home , doing the dishes , and scrubbing the toilets,,

And ironing Phil Neville's underpants.

The bookies are being deliberately disingenuous: they are twisting the argument by inferring that the money presently spent on fobt will not be spent on other sporting events like football and horses instead.

No one has ever suggested/hinted or stated that the money presently spent of fobt will be spent on any other sports like football and horses. What opponents of fobt are saying is that fobt has been specifically and scientifically designed to maximise addiction of the player in a short period of time ie fobt is able to penetrate into the pathways of the brain that induces addiction. As such, it has been nicknamed the "crack cocaine of gambling"; this has been proven medically and professionally causing utmost miseries and detriment to society.

The maximum stake of £100 per spin for every 20 seconds is also excessively high which has added to its addictiveness and attractiveness; it increases the player's perception of a big win which is wholly misleading and untrue - fobt is another form of gambling but at monumental risks to the player because one can incur big losses in a short space of time thus nicknamed the "crack cocaine of gambling".

The Sport of Kings must not be funded from the proceeds of fobt - the crack cocaine of gambling - through the Horse Racing Levy. Instead, the high street bookies should re-focus on other avenues of revenue/profit generation eg being bookmakers again by taking more sporting bets (the original reason for their existence).


Fobt is evil, and has no place in the high streets. Its presence must be carefully monitored. And its proceeds must not be used to fund the Sport of Kings.

Excellent post.

The article today, with once again a cynical lack of balance or viewpoint from the other side of the argument, was pretty much suggesting that addicted FOBT players should continue to be exploited because otherwise the bookmakers seeking to exploit them might have to close down...

impossible123
02 Mar 18 00:23

And its proceeds must not be used to fund the Sport of Kings.

Since when have proceeds from FOBTs funded racing please?

Fobt generated over £1.5bn for bookies with minimum costs and uncertainties, and the Horse Racing Levy which funds horse racing is a direct correlation to this eg the greater the revenue/profit generated by bookies the greater the contribution towards the Horse Racing Levy.

If necessary close the majority of high street betting shops as they are a surplus to requirement with the bookies no longer willing to take bets on other sorts. They are also an eye-sore; not value enhancing to the area; educational; socially friendly.

The fobt is evil - make no bones about it. And the closure of betting shops in some high streets is necessary to redress their recent proliferation. In a nutshell, fobt has no place in high street bookies; fobt is the scum of gambling, and any person/entity pedalling it will be rightly and correctly tarnished with the same brush, in my book.

^ Give this a read, you may learn something.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/589/pdfs/uksi_20170589_en.pdf

The argument of the Racing Post/BHB axis genuinely seems to be that it's just fine for the addicted to continue be exploited, as long as people who can afford £20,000 a year to keep a horse in training don't have to race for a bit less prize money...

me and a friend used to pop in the bookies after work Friday lunchtime, spend afternoon betting the horses and leaving about 5pm. Then those dreaded things arrived and my friend would do his conkers on them instead, skint by 1pm with no bus fare home.

If the fobt is such an unimportant and irrelevant revenue/profit source for bookies may I ask why they are fighting tooth and nail using misinfo to rebut any fragment of opposition to their present maximum playing stake?

I'd like the head honchos of bookies to publicly declare and defend revenue/profit from fobt is not used to finance the Horse Racing Levy; the revenue/profit from fobt is not directly correlated to the maximum stake of fobt; the present level of high street betting shops is not directly correlated to fobt.

The closure of high street bookies and the reduncies resulting are just consequences of an evil trade that should have been culled and not allowed to proliferate to its present level. Tough...but needs must!

enjoy the croc around the clock competition in all corals shops on Saturday.
a score to the winner, am says 30 punters is the target.
cant see 30 punters all day,
regards
Ronnie.

Demoralising stuff Ronnie.

Ron a personal question for which I apologise, but other than payment what possesses you to continue the living hell that working for them appears?

Mar 2, 2018 -- 8:28PM, ronnie rails wrote:

enjoy the croc around the clock competition in all corals shops on Saturday.a score to the winner, am says 30 punters is the target.cant see 30 punters all day,regardsRonnie.

grim