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05 Nov 17
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I previously relied on the Racinguk website for a head to head breakdown which was especially useful in handicaps.
As a Jumps fan, I have only started looking at Racing again in the last few weeks, but cannot find the head to head page on the Racing uk website anymore?
I am aware atr do formscan, but this only appears to contain the last three races, where as I would prefer a much larger breakdown of previous races to get my teeth into.
Does anyone know of any other websites that give such a breakdown?
As a Jumps fan, I have only started looking at Racing again in the last few weeks, but cannot find the head to head page on the Racing uk website anymore?
I am aware atr do formscan, but this only appears to contain the last three races, where as I would prefer a much larger breakdown of previous races to get my teeth into.
Does anyone know of any other websites that give such a breakdown?
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ATTHERACES used to do one .
Havent been on there for a few weeks though.
Havent been on there for a few weeks though.
ENGLANDBARNES1 05 Nov 17 19:30
I am aware atr do formscan, but this only appears to contain the last three races, where as I would prefer a much larger breakdown of previous races to get my teeth into.
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I take it that you are aware that the farther you go back with "Head to Head" Form/outings - then the more likely they are to have LESS relevance for today's race.
Example:
Horse A beats Horse B by 2 lengths over a mile - at LEVEL Weights... meaning, theoretically, Horse A is a 4 lb better horse
Today - Horse B now receives 8 lbs from Horse A - meaning theoretically, Horse B would now beat Horse A by 2 lengths today.
Were that "Head to Head" from LAST time out - then most would take it as 'a given' that Horse B would go and win by 2 lengths today - and back Horse B ...
But, with the shrewder punter, firstly, researching as to just WHY Horse B was in receipt of 8 lbs - when, in theory, it should only be 4 lbs.
However - If that "Head to Head" was from 3 or 4 outings - or even longer, ago -
Then it would be fairly apparent that Horse A must have Won again, or been a close 2nd, since - and, therefore, IMPROVED by that 4lb(extra) OR MORE, since they last met - with Horse B having only run much the same since, as when they met, since.
Which, if either, you back today being up to you to choose.
Whether you have 'blind faith' in that (somewhat simplistic) "Head to Head" approach -
- or, take the more rounded overall view of ALL the available Form.
I am aware atr do formscan, but this only appears to contain the last three races, where as I would prefer a much larger breakdown of previous races to get my teeth into.
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I take it that you are aware that the farther you go back with "Head to Head" Form/outings - then the more likely they are to have LESS relevance for today's race.
Example:
Horse A beats Horse B by 2 lengths over a mile - at LEVEL Weights... meaning, theoretically, Horse A is a 4 lb better horse
Today - Horse B now receives 8 lbs from Horse A - meaning theoretically, Horse B would now beat Horse A by 2 lengths today.
Were that "Head to Head" from LAST time out - then most would take it as 'a given' that Horse B would go and win by 2 lengths today - and back Horse B ...
But, with the shrewder punter, firstly, researching as to just WHY Horse B was in receipt of 8 lbs - when, in theory, it should only be 4 lbs.
However - If that "Head to Head" was from 3 or 4 outings - or even longer, ago -
Then it would be fairly apparent that Horse A must have Won again, or been a close 2nd, since - and, therefore, IMPROVED by that 4lb(extra) OR MORE, since they last met - with Horse B having only run much the same since, as when they met, since.
Which, if either, you back today being up to you to choose.
Whether you have 'blind faith' in that (somewhat simplistic) "Head to Head" approach -
- or, take the more rounded overall view of ALL the available Form.
Some runners on Saturday in the Ascot 3 Mile Handicap only had formscan available from the Grand National which has very different conditions from Saturday’s.
I look at much more than just head to heads however feel that this gives me a good feel as to what mark a horse should be on.
I look at much more than just head to heads however feel that this gives me a good feel as to what mark a horse should be on.
I hope you don't mind me chipping in here.
The FormScan tab is just meant to be a summary, but if you click the Full Formscan link at the bottom right of the panel it will take you through to a page that lists all head-to-head meetings.
An example for the race mentioned at Ascot on Saturday is below:
http://www.attheraces.com/formscan/Ascot/4-November-2017/1535
Hope that helps.
The FormScan tab is just meant to be a summary, but if you click the Full Formscan link at the bottom right of the panel it will take you through to a page that lists all head-to-head meetings.
An example for the race mentioned at Ascot on Saturday is below:
http://www.attheraces.com/formscan/Ascot/4-November-2017/1535
Hope that helps.
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