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No change 999/1
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I'll have a ten ponies the cockle chance please, Hal.
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score on the no change at 999/1 (nothing ceases to amaze me in this game!) as a wild card and a bullseye on the cockle please...
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halcyon
I would have a few quid on the stake being 50 |
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If it was £50 max, then that wouldn't make much difference to the bookies profits, would it?
You're theoretically only limiting roulette then, and surely any chasers would be putting £50 on zero, and just taking longer to lose their money. |
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to my thinking you can spin now for a ton but make it max spin 50 and the gov will say they have reduced the spin by 50%, just ask one of their doctors
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Reducing it to £50, would affect roughly one in a hundred players I would've thought.
But you're probably right. It would sound like they've done something positive (to the majority of the population) when they've actually done fook all to ease the situation. |
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£50 100%
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£50 keeps the bookies happy- keeps the treasury happy -keeps the addicts unhappy -still attracts addicts- and makes it look like they are listening to the anti fobt brigade.
The fella from the abb was on the radio saying loads of shops have closed bla bla bla and the staff are now really well trained in spotting addicts etc etc the ones doing there conkers on the fobs arent the ones having a bet on the dogs a yankee on the nags or a tenner on the footy its everyone else who are falling for them and being positivley encouraged to play them. |
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maineroad
Hope you are well, I am afraid as you point out the game is desperate but as long as it is making the gov money nothing will change. As far as the staff being well trained in spotting an addict, most of them are more likely to be able to tell you what's going on in the soaps or are playing games on their mobiles |
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Maximum bet to fall to between £2 and £50 as minister addresses gaming and advertising concerns but Labour calls review ‘deeply disappointing’
Tuesday 31 October 2017 17.33 GMT First published on Tuesday 31 October 2017 07.16 GMT The maximum stake on fixed-odds betting terminals will be cut after the government admitted that existing limits on the machines, which allow gamblers to bet up to £300 a minute, are inappropriate. Unveiling the keenly-awaited review, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) minister Tracey Crouch said the government would cut the maximum bet on the machines from £100 to between £2 and £50. Bookmakers, who have warned that shops will close if maximum stakes are cut, are expected to lobby for the £50 option during a 12-week consultation period ending in January. But the review warned that a £50 limit would involve “minimal change to the status quo”, suggesting lower options of £20 or £30, or the most extreme cut to £2, are more likely. The DCMS will also consider slowing the pace at which bets can be made, from the current interval of 20 seconds. Crouch said cutting stakes aimed to “reduce the potential for large session losses and therefore to the potentially harmful impact on the player and their wider communities”. Figures from the UK’s leading GambleAware show that 233,000 FOBT users lost more than £1,000 in one sitting last year, while 650 people lost more than £5,000 and one person lost £13,778. Crouch said the government hoped that introducing new curbs would protect vulnerable people “exposed by the current weaknesses in protections”. The review also raised concerns that bookmakers, who are allowed four FOBTs per shop, tend to cluster them in poorer areas with higher unemployment. An FOBT in a Paddy Power shop Facebook Twitter Pinterest An FOBT in a Paddy Power shop in east London. Photograph: David Levene for the Guardian Labour’s deputy leader, Tom Watson, said the review was “deeply disappointing”, while shares in Ladbrokes and William Hill rose, indicating that investors thought the review relatively lenient. “There’s an old maxim that the bookies always win and they’ve won again today,” said Watson, adding that gambling lobbyists were “grinning from ear to ear”. “Ministers have squandered a real opportunity to curb highly addictive FOBTs, which can cause real harm to individuals, their families and local communities,” he said. “After months of delays they’ve simply decided to have another consultation.” He said Labour would tackle a “hidden epidemic” of gambling addiction with policies including a cut in FOBT stakes to £2 and a ban on betting firms advertising on football shirts. Crouch said Watson had undergone a “conversion”, having been a member of the Labour government that was partly responsible for the spread of FOBTs due to its deregulation of the gambling industry in 2005. FOBTs have sometimes been called the “crack cocaine of gambling” due to the speed and apparently addictive nature of the games they offer, such as roulette. A report by the industry regulator, the Gambling Commission, earlier this year found 43% of people who use the machines are either problem or at-risk gamblers. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more But bookmakers, whose £1.8bn income from the machines accounted for more than half of their revenues last year, have played down links to problem gambling. Robin Wales, the mayor of Newham in east London, criticised the government’s decision to consult further on reducing maximum FOBT stakes. In a letter to the Guardian he said: “It is over a year since the review was launched and the response is to kick the issue into the long grass with yet a further consultation. Newham residents cannot afford any further delay... Last year, in Newham alone, it is estimated that nearly £20m was lost on FOBTs. That is the price some of our poorest and vulnerable residents are paying because of this government’s continued inaction.” According to the Money Advice Service, the residents of Newham are the most likely in the UK to be burdened by debt. Wales said his borough has 81 betting shops – one of the highest concentrations in the country – with 12 shops on just one street. He urged the government to slash the stake to £2, despite the cost to the exchequer: “If the maximum stake level is set at anything over £2, it will show that the Treasury is putting exchequer profits before people.” Newham’s residents suffer from high-stakes gambling machines Letters: The government must act decisively and reduce the maximum stake on fixed-odds betting terminals to £2, writes Robin Wales, mayor of Newham Read more The Association of British Bookmakers (ABB) has said a cut in the maximum stake to £2 would cost 20,000 jobs and slash Treasury income from machine gaming duty, worth more than £700m last year. Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, ABB chief executive Malcolm George said bookmakers that close would not be replaced by “bijou bakeries” but by “grotty amusement arcades”. The review also addressed the fast-growing online gaming sector, which took in £4.5bn from 7 million customers last year, according to Gambling Commission statistics. Gambling charity warns betting firms are failing to fund addiction treatment Read more The DCMS called on online firms to speed up the pace of initiatives to address problem gambling, including “self-exclusion” schemes that allow addicts to bar themselves voluntarily but have failed in high-profile cases. But the review stopped short of recommending any curbs on the volume of gambling adverts on television, despite pressure from campaign groups to limit their spread. Instead, the review confirmed plans revealed in the Guardian that would force the industry and broadcasters to fund a £7m responsible gambling advertising campaign costing, a deal Watson has branded a “stitch-up”. The DCMS also promised new guidelines to prevent gambling adverts from encouraging impulsive behaviour, as well as a commitment from the industry to ensure under-18s cannot access gambling content via social media. It also vowed to back efforts by the UK’s leading gambling charity, GambleAware, to roll out more specialist clinics to help addicts, something the organisation has said could require a statutory levy on firms to address a funding shortfall. Crouch said the government hoped gambling companies would increase their voluntary contributions to GambleAware, warning that the government would consider a mandatory levy if they don’t. The review was due to be released in June but was delayed when the prime minister called the snap general election. |
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Still think it will be the levels or bottle in January !
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Work in the industry... most high roller's gamble £50 per spin... can't be arsed to print ticket off for £100 spin's every five minutes' !
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I hope they call the bookies bluff, no way would there be the redundancies they talk about
shop closures would be a good thing anyway, far too many of them the town I live in used to have 2 bookies in the centre and a couple more on the outskirts, these days with many other ways to put a bet on you would have thought there would be fewer, but there is now more than double that amount |
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will get our targets in the morning for Saturdays beat the bookie comp on the fobts,
will get an email on sunday why are you way behind target, regards Ronnie. |
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YES I WAS DEVASTATED WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS IN THE BRITISH LANDMINE INDUSTRY,THAT DIANA HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR
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In 2015 £11 billions was turned over on Fobts... bookmakers kept £2.2 billion of which they paid the Exchequer £549m @ 20% in machine tax.. last year that was £700m @ 25% machine tax !
The governments procrastination is quite outrageous ! |
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Consultation period... FFS !
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£20 a spin or less. Only 1 spin a minute. Strict enforcement of the playing of only 1 machine at a time.
That would be a right result. As for job losses, well half the staff we employ are a waste of space. Sort the wheat from the chaff. |
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who's the "we" ?
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I'd let the shops have whatever stake they like on their machines, bingo games and cartoon racing, as long the shop matches it with weekly stakes taken on horses, dogs, sports and real-life event bets.
So, if by the end of the week 10 grand has been pumped into the FOBTs etc., but only 3 grand taken over the counter in traditional bets, then the FOBTs get switched off until the shop's taken another 7 grand over the counter in proper bets. That would concentrate a few minds. |
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Great post screaming it won't happen but what a great thought
A few years ago in our town we had a burger van on the outskirts of town it was doing a roaring trade but not in burgers in drugs Great smokescreen kids pull up get there hit drive off it was not a burger van at all did sell a few I suppose to cover the story Often things that is how the high street flag ins work pretending to be a bookies when in fact they are a mini casino My money's on £50 a spin like others have said it looks like the govt have cut it by 50% they still get there rake and it looks to the public they have done the right thing Ps the burger man van man is doing a long stretch at the mo |
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it is £25 per spin max I reckon
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50(nap)
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It won't be £50. That wouldn't be enough to appease the antis and the issue will remain as politically toxic as it is now. Halcyon Days odds are about right imo. I would make £20 a spin favourite too, as KPMG in the Government review predict revenue to drop by just 27.6% (which in my view I think is too low). Revenue drop is of course far far lower at £30 a spin and if they really don't want to see tax revenue drop too much and the bookies lobby well, they may opt for that.
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Three months Betfarian's... so far I'm in front... I reckon ! ?...
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No more than £10 for me. Shop closures wouldn't be a bad thing IMO - they are a blot on the landscape - especially in city centre precincts.
Dare we hope that Bookmakers will actually become bookmakers again |
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I reckon it will be £20 though I would be looking for 5/4 as evens seems a bit stingy
though on a serious note as someone mentioned on another thread although there may be job losses if new restrictions come in how many people who became addicted to these machines have lost their jobs over the last few years. |
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/19/a-stupid-gamble-on-evil-machines
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Any figure higher than £10 max a spin is not dealing with the issue head-on given the well known negative effects it has on the individual, and community; these well known negative effects can only get worse, and not better; these machines should/ought never to have been allowed on the high street in the 1st place.
Playing the fobt in the shop is entirely different to that at home; the accompanying music/noises from the machines are less enticing/seductive thus les addictive; the constant withdrawal from one's bank account into a bookie's account will trigger a probable (momentary) stop/ban from one's bank/credit card provider; probable interruption from fellow individuals/events eg door bell, phone calls, etc. |
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When is the final decision made anyone know, tia.
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The government should ban all casino games and slots and open their own site.
Why take a small cut of the profits when you can have it all? They also need to take a look at the number bets being offered (zimbabwe lottery etc) They are costing the national lottery a lot of buisness and have an unfair tax advantage. If you include good causes the National lottery pay 40% on turnover whilst the bookies only pay about 4%. |
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The consultation period is for 12 weeks.
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Want to change my bet from £50 to £20 a pop please Hal after speaking to someone today he told me it's already £50 a spin unless you "ask" to spin a ton, so to cut it to £50 won't be changing anything will it
So a score a time is my wager Did laugh today dunno if anyone else see it but Fred done was doing his pushes today and was being a nice fred and saying things like"remember keep it fun don't bet more than you can afforded blah dee blah dee blah" And he couldn't even get the words out of his mouth he was stuttering and mumbling |
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On Five Live And Victoria Derbyshire, a bloke called Jason Haddigan been on stating he had done 300,000 on the Fobts since year 2000. How did you get that money she asked..."I conned them he replied". Apparently he has just released a book, " How i Conned the Bookies and Why".....Is now a reformed character,apparently..
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I might get that book. It sounds like a bit of light relief.
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F I n k I may right a book kenners
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You could do with a Ghost writer!
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Alex Bird never touched eye eye handicaps
but had some right touches heeey on The Grand National |