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27 Jul 17 15:29
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millies kiss not mandarin princess.Surprised
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Report cardenden July 27, 2017 6:00 PM BST
is there a link anywhere of the trainer being interveiwed  ,, i saw it ,, he was going on about the winner being only a 2 grand horse ,big grin on his face ,, NOT NOW
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 6:07 PM BST
What are betfair doing about this? I bet the 3rd to be in first two.... surely I should either be paid out or have my stakes refunded. Can't believe this can be allowed to go with no recourse..... ????
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 6:15 PM BST
Betfair Help‏Verified account @BetfairCS 3m3 minutes ago

We have now fully settled the 13:40 at Yarmouth on the Exchange following the statement from the BHA. 1/2

Betfair Help‏Verified account @BetfairCS 3m3 minutes ago

This has now been settled on the official result at the time of the 'weigh-in' announcement (or equivalent) as per our Exchange rules. 2/2
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Report asparagus July 27, 2017 6:19 PM BST
I think there will have to be group action on this one.
Report Davy Jones July 27, 2017 6:21 PM BST
the race was settled hours ago - they havent announced a reaction yet to the bha statement
Report ima_mazed66 July 27, 2017 6:32 PM BST
What would the BHA do if a previous winner inadvertently ran in a maiden race and won and had weighed in?
Report blackbarn July 27, 2017 6:36 PM BST
Ima - See my post at 17.42.   Same as today wwill be and same as Young Master.  Disqualify the winner and promote the second. Weighed in has nothing to do with it.
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 6:36 PM BST
Must be one of the most obvious sutuations for voiding all bets there has ever been. That was my biggest bet of the day - the 2nd favourite to be in 1st two - it was a head away too just to rub salt in.

Surely they can't allow this to stand.
Report elise July 27, 2017 6:38 PM BST
unfortunately for you they most likely will, regardless of what later happens at portman sq
Report Barton Bank July 27, 2017 6:40 PM BST
Beyond ridiculous that the winner isn't automatically disqualifed ahead of any enquiry!
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 6:40 PM BST
Betfair could refund losing bets as a gesture of goodwill. any hope??
Report July 27, 2017 6:43 PM BST
not a chance
Report Fashion Fever July 27, 2017 6:43 PM BST
result stands for betting purposes

owners/trainers of beaten runners have 14 days to object to the winner
Report blackbarn July 27, 2017 6:43 PM BST
Absolutely agree Barton.  If it had been found to have carried the wrong weight instead of being born in the wrong year, it would have been disqualified straight awayCrazy.
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 6:47 PM BST
Mad game ....
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 6:48 PM BST
There's a horse loose at Doncaster flying down the track screaming "I'm not racing till I've seen ALL their passports!!" :p
Report Jack Bauer '24' July 27, 2017 6:48 PM BST
Why do people still talk about Portman Square? The BHA are based in High Holborn.
Report use2begudear July 27, 2017 6:50 PM BST
Thought they had moved to Cloudcukoo land ?
Report mrcombustible July 27, 2017 6:53 PM BST
And Shaftesbury Avenue in between.
Report tictacman1 July 27, 2017 7:05 PM BST
'Genuine mistake'

John Egan, who rode the 'winner', said he was surprised the horse was not disqualified or the race declared void.

"At the end of the day, we're all human. Mistakes happen. I feel most sorry for Charlie," he said.

John Mear, a member of the Four Winds Racing Partnership that own Millie's Kiss, said they were "shocked and upset" for the trainer.

"It's nothing untoward. He's just made a genuine mistake. He must be absolutely heartbroken," he said.

McBride was unavailable for comment.
Report cardenden July 27, 2017 7:26 PM BST
betfair sportsbook , have they paid out on the second.. it says they have on racing post site
Report Derhandy July 27, 2017 7:35 PM BST
Seems everywhere but betfair exchange. Great advertisement...
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 7:37 PM BST
peer to peer - a slight difference
Report Derhandy July 27, 2017 7:39 PM BST
Im mot sure what difference is given the circumstances of what happened in the race.
What people were betting on was different to what actually occurred
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 7:42 PM BST
BF exchange always pays out based on the weigh-in.

If that's too much to take then don't play - quite simple really.
Report Derhandy July 27, 2017 7:46 PM BST
I think the circumstances regarding this particular case make even that point not logical.
The correct horse didnt run.
Just bad service by the site with something that could easily be rectified
Report the dealer July 27, 2017 7:53 PM BST
no win for them, upset those who made money or upset those that lost and of course any possible court cases. imo should be void but can understand why they havent
Report pumphol. July 27, 2017 7:54 PM BST
"BF exchange always pays out based on the weigh-in"

of the winning horse, the horse in question was in the stable.
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 7:56 PM BST
So you expect BF to re-settle the market hours after the weigh-in?

So what happens to monies deemed to have been won which are bet subsequently?
Report pumphol. July 27, 2017 8:00 PM BST
No actually I would have hoped BF would put their  hands in their pockets on this occasion & done the decent thing, maybe they still will but I wont hold my breath.
Report ima_mazed66 July 27, 2017 8:01 PM BST
That's what they should do here blackbarn throw out the FPTP and let the rest of the result stand.

If someone has written out Millie’s Kiss (the horse that ran instead) on a slip but didn't put any meeting or time, I very much doubt the bookies would pay out because it "won" and surely as a 3YO running in a 2YO race it has to be thrown out.....Even if just for carrying the wrong weight. Silly

Plus I've seen jockeys hitting the front too early but never by an hour-and-a-half! Shocked
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 8:02 PM BST
It's not BF's money pumphol.
Report pumphol. July 27, 2017 8:05 PM BST
An ex gratia payment would be though, hardly a dent in the yearly profits.
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2017 8:07 PM BST
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 8:07 PM BST
We all know the rules - we're all big boys here.
Report ima_mazed66 July 27, 2017 8:13 PM BST
In fairness the rules say 3YOs can't run in 2YO only races.
Report Wesdag July 27, 2017 8:20 PM BST
*BF's rules.

Report Breedingmad July 27, 2017 8:32 PM BST
What is suspicious is the Norfolk Mafia who lives at Great Yarmouth went very quiet a few days before this incident
and has not been seen or heard on the forum since...
Report Breedingmad July 27, 2017 8:37 PM BST
I blame Derek Thompson .
Report RozelKid July 27, 2017 8:39 PM BST
They say it was a mistake , but how has that horse run if it was deemed a NR in a later race - what was the reason for it being a NR ?- all of this needs sorting out - there are just too many grey areas in uk racing - they talk about integrity in uk horseracing - its fcukin does have any.

They say it was an honest mistake.....but the trainer should get a fine or be banned imo - if he is that irresponsible to not put the right horse on the track then the BHA should be questioning his professionalism.
Report Johnnystag July 27, 2017 8:53 PM BST
It was declared a NR in the 3.15 once they realised it had run in the 1.40 race.
Report Johnnystag July 27, 2017 8:56 PM BST
But agree about the trainer getting banned.  Backers of the favourite on track and on here have done their nuts.  Not to mention layers of the "winner".
Report blackbarn July 27, 2017 8:57 PM BST
and he will definitely be fined, and probably heavily.  Unlikely to be banned unless they discover something more untoward than a serious error.
Report Latalomne July 27, 2017 9:04 PM BST
Astounding that the rules of racing do not allow for the result to be overturned on the day, be that through either the voiding of the race (which is the way it should be, IMHO - and I wasn't involved financially) or the disqualification of the FPTP.
Report ima_mazed66 July 27, 2017 9:10 PM BST
Yeah I get you were meaning betting rules Wesdag and was being a bit flippant, in that we might all be willing to accept the rules but it's a bit galling when something as incompetent as this happens.

We all know the rules in football about the referee's decision being final too but there will still be uproars each time a "phantom goal" is allowed or disallowed.
Report Johnnystag July 27, 2017 9:14 PM BST
Latalomne - rules probably date back 50 years to when all bets were taken on course and once they were paid out you couldn't really go back on it.  Online betting was science fiction in those days.
Report prepared83 July 27, 2017 9:15 PM BST
Yeah but this is like messi playing for villa with agbonlahor on his back, scoring 4 then going back to spain. All bets stand
on agbonlahor hat trick at 1000/1 Laugh
Report blackbarn July 27, 2017 9:21 PM BST
Latalomne - I agree with you, and I said as much earlier on in response to Barton.  On thinking about it a little more and checking the rules, I think the issue here is that there is a clear requirement for a break point where Stewards no longer have any jurisdiction on the race, and any subsequent problem must go to "head office".  For right or wrong, this break point under the rules is "weighed in".
Report EastLower Gooner July 27, 2017 9:34 PM BST
On the same day The Pentagon wins...connect the dots sheep....illumati taking the p iss now.
Report scandanavian_haven July 27, 2017 9:52 PM BST
Has anything like this ever happened before? 

I've never heard of it either way
Report Barton Bank July 27, 2017 10:01 PM BST
Charlie Mann has sent the wrong horse to the races three times and still has a license. On the third occasion, the horse that ran in the wrong name actually died.
Report grumpyjim July 27, 2017 10:20 PM BST
RACING IS NOW A JOLLY DAY OUT FOR EVERYONE .. Pay your money take your chances ..
GENUINE  mistakes happen as the adrenalin kicks in . with whatever you like at races .. Spot the wrong age horse in the too an  early race .. price please . ??
  Had to happen so many races ..
Report Breedingmad July 27, 2017 10:25 PM BST
The was once in a race at Southwell a horse that won a race when mistaken for another the difference was the (fr)
after the name I think, it may have been China Castle or French Castle or similar name, the Trainer realised the
mistake and took advantage with a large gamble can't remember whether it weighed in but the trainer was never
paid out ,,,
Report ronnie rails July 27, 2017 10:33 PM BST
corals paid out on both horses
got a sleeper for 500.00
no idea who the guy is total stranger.
Report grumpyjim July 27, 2017 10:34 PM BST
good to see the vets on the job   not the one in advert .. trying to get a pulse out of a furry hat ..well done to him ..  ..
Human ERROR .. .   AND STANDARD OF STAFF .. PROBABLY CUT BACKS WITH AN EXCITED NEWCOMER ..  TO LOOK AFTER 2 HORSES .. Mistake very obvious .. but not good for serious players .. who get the heavy end of the stick undeservedly .. ??   HAD JOCKEY SEEN THE HORSE BEFORE ..?? .
Report EastLower Gooner July 28, 2017 12:07 AM BST
It's like the channel5 version of Gay Future
Report elise July 28, 2017 6:48 AM BST
ronnie, u mean 500@50-1 or 10@50-1 ?
Report foxy July 28, 2017 6:55 AM BST
betfair can change there rules if they need to as the case with the irish mare voler la vedette proved.
Report foxy July 28, 2017 6:59 AM BST
it must be 500 stake as the sleeper would be for £510
Report elise July 28, 2017 7:23 AM BST
ty foxy, a large amount on a rag then
Report foxy July 28, 2017 7:36 AM BST
very large amount elise however having been a member of this forum like you for a very long time i have learnt its perhaps not wise to believe every story that is posted.
Report mokegibboni July 28, 2017 8:09 AM BST
I backed 'Millie's Kiss' in the 3.15 the night before! Easily understand how the trainer/handler mixed the two up - I mean both horses have 4 legs each for ****'s sake!
Report sageform July 28, 2017 8:16 AM BST
They say it is the first time it has happened since microchips were introduced in 1999. My solution would be to check all horses that would involve prize money or bets after the race and before the weigh in announcement. It is sad but inevitable that racing gets more publicity in the general media when this happens than after the Derby. The **** up in Ireland is equally bizarre in that the Turf Club are not contesting the appeal about Stars over the Sea!
Report Ramruma July 28, 2017 8:18 AM BST
It is vaguely surprising none of the other trainers or jockeys raised an eyebrow. Is Millie's Kiss particularly small and easily mistaken for a 2-year-old?
Report roggrain July 28, 2017 8:45 AM BST
What really astounds me is the BHA statement that they will look into the procedures and try to determine what steps need

to be taken to prevent it from happening again.

I don't know what kind of salaries these buffoons are on but I will give them some free advice:

Stand the man with the scanning device at the entrance to the saddling enclosure.Man scans,checks his list,if all in order

horse allowed in.

If the BHA was operating airport security they would no doubt scan people as they entered the parking lot and not on their

way to the ramp!
Report Latalomne July 28, 2017 9:19 AM BST

Jul 27, 2017 -- 9:15PM, prepared83 wrote:

Yeah but this is like messi playing for villa with agbonlahor on his back, scoring 4 then going back to spain. All bets stand on agbonlahor hat trick at 1000/1


I just can't get my head around how in any way, shape or form, any bets on that race could (should) have stood.

Report intheknow July 28, 2017 10:01 AM BST
I'm guessing the sleeper is from a bet on the jolly not the 'winner'
Report xmoneyx July 28, 2017 10:28 AM BST
it's times like this you wish horses could talk#mr ed to the stewards room please
Report xmoneyx July 28, 2017 10:31 AM BST
Report McCoy Carp July 28, 2017 5:47 PM BST
I can sort of see how the wrong horse could go to post, but how did the trainers and connections not see it was the wrong horse when it came back to the winners enclosure? Do you think they decided to stay stum & not say anything & hope it wasn't routinely doped tested? That seems the strange part of it all to me and where questions should be asked.
Report sageform July 28, 2017 5:52 PM BST
If they didn't recognize the horse before the race, why would they be more likely to after apart from the apparent improvement in ability?
Report fredlyn July 28, 2017 5:59 PM BST
They let bets stand on wrong race cloth race - Lisa Williamson - horse won & was placed last - no bets refunded
should have voided bets

Trainer Lisa Williamson admitted on Friday she was "absolutely distraught" over the disqualification of Mighty Zip at Chelmsford the previous evening after the jockey weighed in 6lb lighter than he weighed out.
Mighty Zip finished a clear winner after being sent off 5-2 favourite for a 5f handicap in which he had 9st 6lb, from which apprentice Jordan Uys was taking off 7lb.
But the success was short-lived after an objection was lodged when the rider returned to the scales weighing 8st 7lb, having weighed out with 8st 13lb.
Report McCoy Carp July 28, 2017 6:06 PM BST
If they didn't recognize the horse before the race, why would they be more likely to after apart from the apparent improvement in ability?

Because connections said they were in a rush pre race - that wouldn't of been the case after the race would it?
Report 1st time poster July 28, 2017 6:15 PM BST
everyone should have kept quiet and waited to see if they ran the other horse later, Wink
Report cardenden July 28, 2017 6:19 PM BST
the horse that won the race ,,  was already declared a non runner later
Report prepared83 July 28, 2017 6:30 PM BST
thing he means run the 2yr old in the other race
Report Outpost July 28, 2017 7:03 PM BST
When I had horses they were scanned in the parade ring before the race to check their IDs. When did that stop?

Also I always recognised my horses even in the pre parade ring without number cloths or colours so how the hell did none of those owners notice that it wasn't their horse that had just entered the parade ring ?

It's accepted that it's the trainer's responsibility but the BHA should also fine themselves as they are ultimately responsible for the integrity of racing.
Report adge July 28, 2017 11:18 PM BST
been talking to a yarmouth tatts bookmaker at york tonight . he says he laid the "winner" six times two £2.50 each ways and four £5 win bets..he told me all tatts bookmakers had laid it well but no bets bigger than £5.
it seems some were in the know before the off but showed patience to have lots of small bets , therefore not arousing suspicion.
100 bets at just a fiver, all at 50/1 and 66/1 nets a tidy sum...
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 28, 2017 11:19 PM BST
.. well said OUTPOST, seems the BHA are trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. !!
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 28, 2017 11:21 PM BST
ADGE, with respect that is bollixx imo.
Report blackbarn July 28, 2017 11:23 PM BST
cardenden - you have already been told that the "winner" was declared as a non runner AFTER the race it won. Why keep spouting inaccuracies.
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 28, 2017 11:31 PM BST
surely a man isnt going to risk his training licence/ reputation / livelyhood , all for the sake of a couple of £5 bets.
Report adge July 28, 2017 11:33 PM BST
not too bothered about you opinion really , glasgow . i didn't say the course books lost because they backed it back on does that put them under suspicion ?
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 28, 2017 11:46 PM BST
adge, i just find your £5 bets here and there view " nets a tidy sum "  totally ridiculous, ... probably wouldnt pay his diesel for a week.

ps, i am not bothered if the course books win or lose, 99.99999 % back on here anyway.
Report ima_mazed66 July 29, 2017 2:21 AM BST
Just out on interest, what happens with the winning prize money?
Report ashleigh July 29, 2017 8:01 AM BST
trainer and owners failed to spot mandarin princess's distinguishing white sock.CryLaugh
Report elise July 29, 2017 8:05 AM BST
prize money will go to horse/connections that finished 2nd and revised places likewise once they dq the fptp
Report 1st time poster July 29, 2017 8:46 AM BST
as for the fiver bets Philip green robs employees of 350,400 million in pension scheme in the great sheme of things found it in the petty cash in the kitchen cupboard,never under estimate the greed or excitement of getting one over someone,not that I,m saying they did,small change to some but could buy a new horse,months bills etc
Report TheFear July 30, 2017 1:16 PM BST
The Stewards held an enquiry following a report from the Veterinary Officer that CANDLELIGHT STORY, trained by Jennie Candlish, could not be identified from its passport and therefore the mare could not run. They interviewed the trainer’s representative and the Veterinary Officer. Having heard their evidence, the Stewards referred the matter to the Head Office of the British Horseracing Authority.
Report ima_mazed66 July 31, 2017 5:32 AM BST
If fairness, nobody really looks like their passport photo.
Report asparagus July 31, 2017 1:47 PM BST
The Adge post is certainly worth further investigation from a BHA perspective. It does seem odd that no one involved with the horse noticed it was the wrong horse before or after the race. They should be asking the bookmakers on track how the betting compares to other maiden races and outsiders at the track (and other smallish meetings). It does seem unusual that every book in tatts had laid the horse but maybe there was a bigger crowd on course than i would imagine. How many bookmakers that day?
The off course firms should also be asked obviously. Maybe this was a complete 'accident' but a full investigation is required.
Report mokegibboni July 31, 2017 2:53 PM BST
Maybe horses look at humans and say to themselves - 'they all look exactly the same -they've all got 2 legs haven't they!'
Report lead on July 31, 2017 3:09 PM BST
they look at some humans and say "they look a bit like me"
Report sparrow July 31, 2017 3:31 PM BST
I was surprised little was said about the Adge post until asparagus just mentioned it. As he says, it certainly needs investigating.
Report adge July 31, 2017 5:54 PM BST
since been told that as soon as "pg racing" priced up the very first bet he took on the race was £20 each way the "winner"
all the course bookmakers have full computer records which are very easy to read should the BHA or anyone else wish to see them
Report sparrow July 31, 2017 6:00 PM BST
Your 7000th post could be your most important, adge.  Grin
Report asparagus July 31, 2017 6:09 PM BST
This really needs a full investigation. Are the BHA up to it?
Report ashleigh August 10, 2017 4:04 PM BST
£1500 fine for C McBRIDE.
Report ashleigh August 18, 2017 3:10 PM BST
mandarin princess 5-20 newmarket, is she worth having a tenner e/w on, might struggle to get 50/1.Surprised
Report Ramruma August 18, 2017 3:38 PM BST
Must be worth a couple of quid on the off-chance McBride will pitch up with Frankel.
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