Settling 9:10 Bath - Any Problems?

was just about to ask the same

seems strange  3rd horse matched 1.01

Last price matched on Nadias Promise 1.01???

NO a complete outsider didn't run,  and they seem to be messing around,  Betfair  have cancelled my winning forecast  (:()  they better not rule 4 the winner  because  the horse that didn't run was about 200

Indeed

Last matched

Winner 5.0
2nd 17.0
Last 1.01

Massive Drift on winner but someone forgot to tell SDS. Prob looking into how they can get out of it some big players burnt.

Nadias promise  in running never looked like winning , so I have  no idea what is going on

The F/c void is frustrating but understandable
Always been the rules for years. Lost count of the number of time a 100+ rag has played up and voided a decent (R)F/c

The withdrawn horse was 65s

Yeah they have yet again made an absolute horlicks of this, such things are happening every week, last price matched on the winner 5s!!!   

Simple case of the idiots not closing the market on time.

Seriously the trading desk needs a deep audit and the people screwing up constantly purged, would happen in any other business.

As usual the delay in settling due to them having to go through everything manually, sorting up the screw ups first, rather than paying out the creditable bets first.

They do this all the time, sort out the **** ups first, get around to settling the honest punters last!

Yeah they have yet again made an absolute horlicks of this, such things are happening every week, last price matched on the winner 5s!!!   

Simple case of the idiots not closing the market on time.

Seriously the trading desk needs a deep audit and the people screwing up constantly purged, would happen in any other business.

As usual the delay in settling due to them having to go through everything manually, sorting up the screw ups first, rather than paying out the creditable bets first.

They do this all the time, sort out the **** ups first, get around to settling the honest punters last!

every time I have a decent winner there is some bloody drama at Betfair,  I saw the race, the race was fine,  there must have been re-opened market  after I logged off  thinking  great , F/C and winner happy days.
Because when the race ended  Nadias  dream had only touched 1.35
Now discover the F/C has disappeared ,  and I worry for my win,  I have lost enough today betfair  I need this to  come through clean  you buggers :)

Not good

aint this poor

anybody knows the winning horse for this race? it seems to be Nadia Promise

UNIFIED

Very close finish - But No Photo called... Winner hanging on bt fast diminoshing Short-head.

Runner-up - Lowest prices on Graph

1.33            £720       
1.35    £11               
1.36            £60       
1.37            £154       
1.4            £61       
1.41            £48       
1.44            £10       
1.49            £0       
1.5            £1,060   

Wunner = Lowest prices

1.01    £522        £2,206       
1.02            £2,583       
1.03            £820       
1.04            £1,340       
1.05            £2,577       
1.06            £1,486       
1.07            £2,015       
1.08            £866       
1.09            £1,864   

ONLY  £2,206 at 1.01 ...Yet was WELL CLEAR, inside Final furlong

The 3rd

1.01    £3,986        £6,424       
1.02            £1,512       
1.03            £838       
1.04            £742       
1.05            £820       
1.06            £468       
1.1            £462       
1.11            £1,836       
1.12            £465       
1.13            £30       
1.14            £222       
1.15            £88       
1.2            £95   

Yet [b]Never looked anything like a winner.
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Somebody cocked up big time.

Could it be their Cross-matching BOT?

The race finished 45 minutes ago and they've still not settled it.

What on Earth have they been doing all this time?!

Utter competence.

This long to settle a 3 runner race????

They will come up with stupid reason to void this market, iam sure

Can see this being void

The betting on the withdrawn horse once it had bolted told me there was a big problem coming up.

1  Unified 5/4 Silvestre De Sousa Clive Cox    3-9-0     – –     – –
   
Tracked leader until took over after 1f, made rest, pushed along and quickened pace 3f out, 1 length clear 2f out, ridden over 1f out, challenged by runner-up entering final furlong, hard ridden and ran on, held on by diminishing margin (tchd 7/4)

2  hd Keeper's Choice (IRE) 10/1 Paddy Pilley5 Denis Coakley 3-8-9     – –     – –
   
Led 1f, settled in 2nd until relegated to 3rd 4f out, stayed handy, headway and not much room between horses 2f out, ridden final furlong, ran on and closing on winner near finish (op 7/1)

3  3¾ [4] Nadia Promise 8/13F Pat Cosgrave William Haggas 3-9-0     – –     – –    

Held up last until went 2nd after 4f, driven when pace quickened 3f out, ridden 2f out and soon dropped to last, position accepted entering final furlong (op 11/10)

The Reduction Factor - on the Withdrawn horse  was Only 2.8%

Mooroverthebridge

Non Runner
2.8%, Wed 12 Jul 08:52 (GMT)

only bit that makes sense is £284 matched at 1,000 Nadias

Good to see Betfair have brushed it under the carpet and not even posted about the late settlement. Looks like they resettled the BSP's as Nadia Promise is now showinng as 14 whereas it was around 1.74 when the race went off

I find it funny how nobody backed Unified. I always think with these mega drifters "hey, the price is massively over inflated, surely some shrewdies will put some money on the horse 5 minutes before the off" but nope, everyone is stacking off on the odds on debutant like sheep to slaugter. Personally I backed Keeper's choice.

this is a disgrace, pay up

They cannot and will not void this race.

Nothing untoward whatsoever.

Just their own incompetence in the market not being in sync with the events.

They are taking ages, as anyone able to make a decision will have gone home, and they are sifting through up all the **** ups voiding those first, ie people taking prices not relevant due to their **** ups.

Any normal couple would pay out the creditable bets such as those places before he off first before trying to sort out the in running fiasco.

Bath 12th Jul 20:40 1m Hcap:
    Dowayla    Back    1905491816    12-Jul-17
20:30    -    SP    3.4    -    Won
Bath 12th Jul 21:10 1m Mdn Stks:
    Nadia Promise    Back    1905491817    12-Jul-17
20:30    -    SP    13.33    -    Matched

I thought the multiple SP was a mistake until i saw the exchange SP was 14.00 , even though i'm sure it was 1.71 on the off

I didn't notice did the race go " In running"  and then close and then re-open ?
I ask because  sometimes when a race doesn't go green " in play" Betfair seem to rely  on  official start time to settle bets  rather than the real off time, I have been stung before.
I do not want my lay bets of Nadia's dream  and backing of Unified to be  shredded.   after the day I have had these bets bring it all  to smile land.
I can live with the cancelled F/C, due to non runner,  they are the rules as mentioned,  it is sad at last to get a winning forecast, but I do understand, even if it pains.

I just wish this C#rp would happen when I have had a big losing bet, not on the rare  winner :)

I did back it £100 at 2.78

betfair sports book declared Unified as a winners, check this URL:
https://www.betfair.com/sport/horse-racing/meeting?history=true&exchangeWinMarketId=1.132589537&eventId=28302498&dayToSearch=20170712

Nice SPs for a 3 runner race...

Unified
3.00   

Nadia Promise
14.0           

Keepers Choice
18.2

Something weird happened pre-race.  When Orbit Light was playing up and it was clear it was going to be withdrawn BF suspended for a whole minute and it looked like unmatched money on the horse was being removed as if BF were in the process of making it an NR.  After an entire minute of market suspension, it was unsuspended with the horse still in the market.  Very strange.

Just void it all and get it over with.

Incompetence I should have said*

If they want to give me the £33 green on Keepers Choice instead of the £3 green on Unified that would be nice of you betfair.

I spoke to betfair customer services just and they advised it could be one hour. This is due to the none runner before race

...I wonder if bets matched after the suspension are at threat as all the strange things happened from that point onwards.

The Market was SUSPENDED for a while - BEFORE the OFF - when the Withdrawn horse was loose

It looks like someone has tried to manipulate the BSP market.

Reduction Factor:
(0.19%) n/a         NONRUNNER AT TIME OF WITHDRAWEL

The NR was left in the win market, but was BSP of 0 after NR-suspend and loading and during race. Now it's 65
The NR was taken out of place, e/w market (and 3TP was voided naturally) all before the off.

The RF/c market was suspended but no NR was taken out and always remain suspended

Betfair SP Reconciliation - is obliviously Nonsense.

UNIFIED -  Price  3                Stake £4,195 -  Liability £8,412

NADIA -  Price 13.98                Stake £7,79 - Liability £2,686

Keepers -  Price  18.21                Stake £1,036 - Liability £17,876

^ Strewth - THe one that matters - did not copy properly

NADIA -  Stake £7,798 - Liability      £2,686

I played the IR market and that was very smooth throughout race.
No odd spikes.

Layed the 2nd IR at around 2.6, so I hope I get my money
(if it had got up I would happily accept the loss).

The IR market seemed fair and square.

Once again a DISGRACE of a service.  How difficult is i to manage a 4 horse race??  Fook me

Whoever backed Nadia's at short price must have thought the winner was the fav.  Avery stupid mistake.  Nothing untoward in running except someone or someone's bot fooked up

Agreed - poppydog.

I did not bet in the race at all - But watched the In-Running closely - and actually had a Lay of the Winner lined up at 1.5 - as I felt it could/would be vulnerable in a close finish.

Did not activate the Lay, though - as it looked 'home for all money' until very close home - and the Market is always in front of you by that stage.

Nearly 2 hours just void betfair ffs

They will not void the market as have no reason to do so.

They somehow managed to post a Betfair Starting Price of 13/1 on the off for the unplaced odds on fave.

This is why they are taking hours to sort out their **** complicated by the fact the in running market was also closed late. Total fiasco!

I suspect it might be until the morning this gets sorted out when those that know what they are doing appear for the day shift :)

They will not void the market as have no reason to do so.

They somehow managed to post a Betfair Starting Price of 13/1 on the off for the unplaced odds on fave.

This is why they are taking hours to sort out their **** complicated by the fact the in running market was also closed late. Total fiasco!

I suspect it might be until the morning this gets sorted out when those that know what they are doing appear for the day shift :)

They will not void the market as have no reason to do so.

They somehow managed to post a Betfair Starting Price of 13/1 on the off for the unplaced odds on fave.

This is why they are taking hours to sort out their **** complicated by the fact the in running market was also closed late. Total fiasco!

I suspect it might be until the morning this gets sorted out when those that know what they are doing appear for the day shift :)

They will not void the market as have no reason to do so.

They somehow managed to post a Betfair Starting Price of 13/1 on the off for the unplaced odds on fave.

This is why they are taking hours to sort out their **** complicated by the fact the in running market was also closed late. Total fiasco!

I suspect it might be until the morning this gets sorted out when those that know what they are doing appear for the day shift :)

Think they've paid.

just been settled.

ffs we heard you the first time :)

About time

Yeah, it will be a disgrace if the void it.

If you look at all three graphs, the first 95% of each graph is consistent and natural with pre-race betting and how the IR race
played out itself. No odd bumps or spikes.

It only goes strange after the race has finished.

There's been hundreds of IR markets over the years where a horse hasn't gone in stalls at the off and market hasn't reformed, but the IR market has the NR left in.

I thought they were going to try another Voler La Vedette effort from Dec 2011???

They've settled the favourite with a BSP of 13.98, when the market went in running it was settled around 1.74 somehw I guess they'll have to correct this race yet again tomorrow. They can't settle on a price and let the market go inrunning with everyone betting on what the screens showing then decide to change the price after the race has finished. Unbelievable

Unified last price matched was 5, second horse matched at 1.01 for £7000,very strange indeed.

Jul 12, 2017 -- 11:03PM, ladycarla wrote:

Nearly 2 hours just void betfair ffs

this race been settled then?

Yes - around 11:20pm last night.

So nobody questioning how or why we had a 45% underound book at BSP.

Yes - If you read the thread - you will see that people were questioning the 'impossible' Betfair SP for two hours.

The lack of communication was from BETFAIR - and NOT from participants on this thread.

I can clarify that when the rag bolted, the bf win market was suspended, the back/lay boxes on the rag were then emptied but horse was NOT removed from the WIN market, it was removed from the other markets I saw.

Someone has clearly tried to manipulate the BFSP's here, I am assuming a massive back went on the withdrawn horse which was still "active" in the BFSP pools, in essence they could not lose and were looking to harvest the other 3 runners, only explanation that seems plausible

I remember at one point the withdrawn horse had been reduced to back at just 16s a minute or so before the off.

I suspect that a second before the off or at the off time someone has placed a large win bet at  1.01 on the non runner and with there being little or no liquidity on that one the cross matcher has jumped in and layed the three runners to what was available at the time.If this was the case someone will have their account closed because Betfair will have taken this on the chin and that is why it took so long to resolve.

How the cross matcher works.
" When a bet request cannot be matched by an opposing bet on the same selection, by operating cross-matching Betfair will attempt to match the bet request with unmatched liquidity on the remaining selections in the market."

Obviously the Betfair SP Market was skewed - But ...

How do we/they explain the 'out of sync' IN-RUNNING Prices, though - aswell?

As I posted on page 1 - and were equally widely commented upon.
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onlooker 12 Jul 17 22:01 

Very close finish - But No Photo called... Winner hanging on bt fast diminoshing Short-head.

{b]Runner-up - Lowest prices[/b] on Graph

1.33            £720       
1.35    £11               
1.36            £60       
1.37            £154       
1.4            £61       
1.41            £48       
1.44            £10       
1.49            £0       
1.5            £1,060   

WINNER = Lowest prices - ONLY

1.01    £522        £2,206       
1.02            £2,583       
1.03            £820       
1.04            £1,340       
1.05            £2,577       
1.06            £1,486       
1.07            £2,015       
1.08            £866       
1.09            £1,864   

ONLY  £2,206 at 1.01 ...Yet was WELL CLEAR, inside Final furlong

The 3rd ... Never in contention - YET ...

1.01    £3,986        £6,424       
1.02            £1,512       
1.03            £838       
1.04            £742       
1.05            £820       
1.06            £468       
1.1            £462       
1.11            £1,836       
1.12            £465       
1.13            £30       
1.14            £222       
1.15            £88       
1.2            £95 

Yet Never looked anything like a winner.
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Somebody cocked up big time.

Could it be their Cross-matching BOT?

the in house BF bots tend to malfunction when there is a withdrawal and it is not taken out of the exchange market, happened on numerous occasions, whether or not other bots take advantage of this situation is something I am not entirely sure about.

the cross matcher evidently does not work when this situation arises.

10/10 read,

Shame i was down the pub and missed this