It's about time someone called Moore out.

Speaking of Timeform, here's Simon Rowland's take on the ride!

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/features/sectionals/sectional
-timing-debrief-2000-and-1000-guineas-852017

*Rhododendron that is, not Notnowcato!

Done me nuts on a shorty and need to blame someone other than myself thread :-)

euphemisms abound

JW and JM "Ryan would like to ride it again" and "if he could ride the race again he would do something different"

the boys just couldn't say it

Moore is excellent , but when he's " At it " I still think Dettori is the best

caught sleeping

Dettori has given him a riding lesson there.

Done up like a kipper by Dettori, excellent ride. Controlled the race from second place, went the pace he wanted and kicked on. Moore just followed him around.

Dettori's had plenty more left if it was needed.

the winner was the better horse , nothing else

^^ Gets it.

ballydoyle horse lost it at the start - nothing to do with jockey

Is this thread going to get topped every time he fails to win a race?

the winner was the better horse , nothing else

That may or may not be the case but it was certainly a better ride. Judged the pace perfectly, sat in the right position and kicked for home early stealing an advantage.

May 10, 2017 -- 2:42PM, nicko wrote:

ballydoyle horse lost it at the start - nothing to do with jockey

He broke ahead of the winner surely?

That may or may not be the case but it was certainly a better ride. Judged the pace perfectly, sat in the right position and kicked for home early stealing an advantage.

So surely there should be a thread praising Frankie's ride rather than people using it as a stick to beat Moore with.

Reminds me of Velasquez in the states a money rider nothing more nothing less. Invariably wins group races because he is usually on the best horse. Do i think he gives a lesser horse an edge the answer is no. and as an add on he is a miserable little fecker who should be grateful for the position he is in.

Dettori showed up Moore there,...a bit like Piggott on Commanche Run vs Cauthen on Oh So Sharp in the 1985 Benson and Hedges Gold Cup. Even Murtagh commented Moore would have ridden a different race in the 1000G.

May 10, 2017 -- 3:05PM, impossible123 wrote:

Dettori showed up Moore there,...a bit like Piggott on Commanche Run vs Cauthen on Oh So Sharp in the 1985 Benson and Hedges Gold Cup. Even Murtagh commented Moore would have ridden a different race in the 1000G.

Sure what would one of the greatest jockeys ever know, when the Moore fans on here say different

Where did anyone say the 1000G ride was without fault ?

Ekbalko - thaz talking scheister.

The problem with Ekbalko's argument is that the biggest and best connections, who can have whoever they want, picked Ryan Moore.

Moore rode a brainless race in the 1000G especially from a good draw, and then got stuck behind a "pacemaker" but let another stable companion that finished well the previous time who'd been backed from 33/1 to 10/1 by race day to be infront of him; there had also been several brainless "howlers" from Moore at Ascot, the most brainless of all was when finishing 2nd on The Gurkha behind Dettori and Galileo Gold in the St James's Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot.

hindsight merchants never wrong...must have laid Rhod for loads @ halfway...easy game

thread for r moore haters

Can only laugh really Duncan, I'll never bother again on here, be lucky everyone.

May 10, 2017 -- 3:40PM, impossible123 wrote:

Moore rode a brainless race in the 1000G especially from a good draw, and then got stuck behind a "pacemaker" but let another stable companion that finished well the previous time who'd been backed from 33/1 to 10/1 by race day to be infront of him; there had also been several brainless "howlers" from Moore at Ascot, the most brainless of all was when finishing 2nd on The Gurkha behind Dettori and Galileo Gold in the St James's Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot.

He'll get plenty of big race winners due to the volume of rides, but Smullen would get more on the same horses. If Moore was riding when there were several top class jockeys riding on the flat he'd be lucky to pick up a spare in a big race.

A good jockey should be one that wins races when least expected; a good jockey should also win races expected of him.

I remember clearly what John Ferguson, the head hencho of Goldophin, said about trainers. Ferguson: "a good trainer will not make a slow horse go faster but a bad trainer will make a good horse go slower.

I do not allow myself to be singularly influenced by jockey booking in my bets.

so is that what happened all those superbly bred flat horses Ferguson got given to go hurdling with ?

Even Murtagh commented Moore would have ridden a different race in the 1000G.


Of course he would, unfortunately he got interfered with in the 1000G. She still would have had to go some to beat the winner.

That's like a goalkeeper saving my penalty in the Champions League final diving to his right. If I had the chance again I would have gone to the keepers left

Indeed, if Moore had been riding against the likes of Piggott, Eddery, Cauthen, Swinburn, Kinane and Murtagh to name a few he'd not be lauded the way he's been presently.

If Moore had been riding for any of the Arab owners his services would have been terminated on numerous occasions by now. Look what happened to Starkey...one awful mistake in the Epsom Derby he was cast away for good.

"Of course he would, unfortunately he got interfered with in the 1000G. She still would have had to go some way to beat the winner."

But who put the horse in that position...the monkey on her back, agree? Moore had been doing this on numerous occasions even at Royal Ascot. It's like saying post a traffic accident "it was not my fault, officer, I hit the barrier...another vehicle emerged suddenly."

impossible123 • May 10, 2017 3:56 PM BST
A good jockey should be one that wins races when least expected; a good jockey should also win races expected of him.

I remember clearly what John Ferguson, the head hencho of Goldophin, said about trainers. Ferguson: "a good trainer will not make a slow horse go faster but a bad trainer will make a good horse go slower.

I do not allow myself to be singularly influenced by jockey booking in my bets.

Perhaps not singularly influenced but surely its a very important part of the process?

impossible, so are you saying anyone involved in a traffic accident is automatically guilty cos they put themselves on the road?

Somerst Sam, not when Moore is concerned. I tend to back another (if necessary, better price assured) principal opposition or the 2nd string from AOB's stable or not at all; Moore's booking does not instil (extra) confidence in me for sure.

duncan idaho, not the slightest. One could have planned and anticipated an accident could/would have happened given potential hazard ahead eg driver/vehicle behaviour, unless it is mechanically induced and nor driver error (suddenly) eg a puncture. But let's stick to horse racing/riding/jockeyship.

I need say nothing more - it's there almost day in , day out for all to see - if you choose not to see it then that's your call.

If you watched 2016 Royal Ascot and then still make some of the ludicrous , imo ,assertions that have been made on this thread then jeez there's nothing else to say- The Ghurkha , Alice Springs , Kings Fete off the top of my head - and then Minding in The Oaks oy , oy , oy - what a filly she showed herself to be to get him out of jail on that one .

'None so blind as those that cannot see'.

Nah, not Kings Fete, that was just an example of what the interference rules in this country are encouraging, imo

Cause interference, you may get a few days ban (7 in that instance), but as long as you win by more than a nose, you are virtually guaranteed to keep the race.

keep posting saddos.

Strong in a finish when necessary.. I have seen him cck up so many times though, that to be lauded as a great is idiotic. Bandwagon stuff IMO. He is also guilty of blatantly NOT riding right to the line , therefore not achieving the best possible placing. As long as there are those who are loathe to put forward their real thoughts on Moore, those that give their honest opinions will be ridiculed. Frankie is a much better jockey and horseman. Granted, they can all make mistakes, but for all the accolades bestowed on Moore, he really doesn't live up to the title.   We British are all too quick to shower praise on our own. Not too long ago Joe Hart was regarded by the football pundits as "The best keeper in the world!". Our stalls handlers, ditto..........judicial system etc etc etc. I prefer to make up my own mind, not have others do it for me!

I think that knowledge of horses is a big factor. I have no idea how much time Ryan spends at Coolmore relative to Sir Michael Stoute's. Tom Queally is not one of the top 10 jockeys but he always looked good on Henry Cecil's horses because the great man made sure that he rode them regularly on the gallops. Similarly Richard Kingscote and Tom Dascombe, Hanagan back with Fahey and many other successful partnerships. Perhaps that explains why other Coolmore horses ridden by their work jockeys sometimes beat the Moore ridden favourite.

Johnny Murtagh will be dissecting the rides of Moore on ITV Racing similarly to yesterday. No howlers please, Mr Moore, you are on Candid Camera!

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That was a very good ride from Moore  controlling the pace and race from the front; kicked at the bend and got the job done (well).

Fair enough but being on the best horse helps as well .......

Must have been reading this thread possers

Result decided in the weighing room beforehand (nap)

Carpers going down the grassy knoll route.

After sunday's 1000G and Murtagh's comment ringing in his ears ie Moore would like to ride the race again, Moore showed intent at the off.

nice one ryan

The pressure of being Ryan Moore must be insane. There is a lot behind the scenes that the general punter and racing fan is not privy to, and Ryan Moore's demeanour in interviews to me is a hint that he is under pressure beyond what the average jockey would be. This is bound to affect his judgement at times.
I'm a Ryan Moore fan but I blamed him when Alice Springs was beaten at Royal Ascot last year. I don't know how he got himself into the trouble he did on the best horse in the race. Thinking about it later maybe it was a case of him not really knowing how good she was at the time, and he maybe thought riding for luck was the best tactic, but if that's the case then Coolmore/Ballydoyle have too many top class horses for the good of the game and they aren't getting the best out of them. Some of those that have been sacrificed for pace makers in the past is almost scandalous IMO, and I'm sure other practices that would be frowned upon by animal lovers are going on, but they are animals all the same and they are legally exploited as their wealthy owners see fit and I love the racing game so I shouldn't really have a problem with any of that.
Punters are justified in their criticism of a bad ride and are entitled to think jockeys are on their game, but we also have to accept that betting on racing has all sorts of unknowns attached. There wouldn't be a thing such as betting if everything always went as expected.
Ryan Moore is one of the best and I wish him all the best. Soumillon, SDS, Joao Moreira, Hugh Bowman, and many others are likely just as good or possibly even better, and would be just as decorated if they were in his (tough) position.
And to all those that say he should be grateful, I say rubbish. He's a talented and hard working jockey who may have also been blessed with good fortune, but money and fame come with pressures that those who don't have it can know nothing about.

No doubt in my mind that Crowley is the most consistent jockey riding at the moment. I backed Frankie there and for once he had a real shocker.

Perfect - didn't give his good draw away(which I thought he may) - sat prominent  - usual Chester gap off final bend - through and away - 10/10.

Brainers is cleaning up and making some of us look like MUGS on these Moore ridden favourites.

O'Brien/Galileo is the real story of the week. Two classics and 3 more Group wins from a handful of runners. After Mullins and Elliott at Cheltenham, the only way British trainers can win any significant race is when the ferries are not running.

Coolmore have found the Golden Ticket Sagers - cross Galileo with fast Listed+ mares - the rest takes care of itself.

ryans greedy

Whoever created this post is an absolute pocket talker. Ryan is by far the best jockey in UK and in the top 5 in the world. You keep backing the likes of Liam Keniry and Shane Kelly if you dont like Ryan Moore and see how you do. Unreal post from someone who clearly has no knowledge of racing.

That would be me Aypers - thanks 4 your help.

£23,214,221 in prize money last 5 seasons says it all I think betfair should close this post its utter ridiculous.

Thanks again - as stated - you have made everything clear.

Moore rode an intelligent 1st race at Chester. In the Chester Vase he was in the right place after the off, and Donnacha and Heffernan were extremely courteous to me too - they did not make things difficult for him.

Moore might have won £23,214,221 of prize money over the last 5 seasons, but out of a combined pot of significantly more eg £500m+ perhaps, despite mainly on the highest rated/best horse or fav in the races. I hope he has a better Royal Ascot this year than last as last year was woeful even for Moore.

I firmly believe the 1st 3 of the Chester Vase are inferior to that of Derrinstown or Ballysax.

But , if you'll indulge me Aypers , let me ask you a simple math question :


Jockey A has 500 rides in a season @ an avg. SP/ride of Evens and rides 250 winners.

Jockey B has 500 rides in a season at an avg. SP/ride of 20/1 and rides 50 winners.



Who is the better jockey?

jockey b doesn't exist ,jockey a takes it.

jockey b doesn't exist ,jockey a takes it.

If only Moore could deliver a strike rate of 50% from every even money shot he rode...the punter would be extremely and eternally grateful and ludicrously wealthy. But he did not.

In the forthcoming Royal Ascot Moore could be on Minding, Churchill, Seventh Heaven, Winter or Rhododendron and Highland Reel, how many winners from these lot? I'd be grateful with two; delighted if three; ecstatic if four, and a Moore convert if five.

Brainers is surfing a 'Moore Favourite' high and is laughing at us non believers.

He is thumbing his nose at us and waving his Moore wad in our faces.

Aypers has gone for the Abacus.

sageform    11 May 17 15:07 
No doubt in my mind that Crowley is the most consistent jockey riding at the moment. I backed Frankie there and for once he had a real shocker.

For once!!! lmao

Possers - I don't wish to appear rude but did you pass CSE Math.?

hes had 10 rides this season £40,000 plus races,6 won 4 lost +4 off 10 pr.

You have to be fair - that was 10/10 from Moore.

He won the race in the first 100 yds.

Another superb Moore ride. Add it to Deauville and Venice Beach. What a terrible jockey.

Don't think anyone can complain about how he rides Chester - on good horses but he does the job

Very good ride in the end from Moore but an outstanding one from Probert who was probably on the sixth best horse. Doesn't take a genius to know by now that unless you are in the first 2 or 3 at the 3 furlong pole you have no chance whatsoever round there.

riding the other top jocks to sleep in these races

Moore acolytes in clover at the moment.

He is laughing at the naysayers with this constant stream of favourites success.

Might get the best horses but still a very good jockey, unlike some, imo

Good jock - no doubt.

I always remember the time he started crying when beaten on the Queen's Carlton House in the Derby

Another race, the same result. First 2 out of the stalls finish 1,2. No point in running the race after 50 yards.

Couldn't fault Moore there either but even over that trip, the first and second were always in the first 4. Nearly as hard to pass as in Formula 1. Good run from Duretto giving weight all round.

Why did he change whip ?
No need
Lost momentum

dettori off the mark ,Crowley de souse,no where.

Be fair - you cannot criticise Moore's riding one jot today.

This thread went quiet quickly. No mention of the ride on Mix and Mingle Saturday?
Well above average ride there.

Ekbalco- whats a CSE im not old enough for that...sorry for taking my time to reply been away for the weekend from my Ryan moore backed winnings!!!!!!!

Kool company will run extremely well for him tonight hopefully...should be shorter imo

Well done peers - enjoy my money.

On saturday Moore rode an intelligent race as a good jockey ought to do most, if not, all the time. On the other hand, Dettori on Qemah, was a hostage to fortune given her adverse draw; Qemah was also impeded when she began her challenge. Nevertheless, the rails won Mix and Mingle her race.

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