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TheFear
02 May 17 19:36
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Report SlippyBlue May 2, 2017 7:38 PM BST
Dead heat, not a chance that will get disqualified.
Report dan hardcore May 2, 2017 7:38 PM BST
Dead heat, everyone happy.
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:38 PM BST
i wont be happy Sad
Report Keefter May 2, 2017 7:39 PM BST
minimal interference. if that gets chucked its total BS - horse yesterday swept across and could have killed someone and kept it - shouldnt all be about the winning distance. imo
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:39 PM BST
cmon winston object you absolute muppet
Report eightbo May 2, 2017 7:39 PM BST
Market reopened
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:41 PM BST
more of a 1.2 than a 1.4 imo ,,, but im already in
Report Willie Shafter. May 2, 2017 7:43 PM BST
denmead swung wide coming round final bend and masterson give it a hefty bump and denmead momentarily stopped riding..on that basis bearing in mind was dh it would have to get race..but it did swing wide coming round bend of its own accord.
Report scoobytoo May 2, 2017 7:43 PM BST
another inch and it would have won...lost more than an inch....easy one for all concerned
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:44 PM BST
exactly if it's a dead heat ANY thing made a difference. FFS i give up if i dont get this one Sad
Report eightbo May 2, 2017 7:45 PM BST
So it's either dh or chucked?
Report OVERSEAS May 2, 2017 7:45 PM BST
easy for stwds tbf
Report Willie Shafter. May 2, 2017 7:45 PM BST
but it did swing wide coming round bend of its own accord.Wink
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:46 PM BST
whats ur verdict willie... no bet?
Report SlippyBlue May 2, 2017 7:47 PM BST
I'll be amazed if the result doesn't stand.
Report volontiers May 2, 2017 7:47 PM BST
I have greened out on both,

layed the fav and if left at dead-heat I'd have lost money,

thank you stewards enquiry Laugh
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:48 PM BST
silvestres english aint great imo. cmon winston
Report Mr Mischief May 2, 2017 7:48 PM BST
I was on Masterson, will be shocked if he doesn't get demoted
Report Willie Shafter. May 2, 2017 7:49 PM BST
taking some time if clear cut Shocked
Report jackboo May 2, 2017 7:50 PM BST
who won the photo finnish
Report SlippyBlue May 2, 2017 7:50 PM BST
Taking their time...
Report jackboo May 2, 2017 7:52 PM BST
i betted the fave with paddy power frist past the post with tham
Report OVERSEAS May 2, 2017 7:52 PM BST
if they cant change that result given the dh and the bump must have cost the Winston horse at least an inch then god help us..but the time delay suggests nothing is clear cut
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:52 PM BST
disgrace if it doesnt get it outright. might as well give up SE betting
Report eightbo May 2, 2017 7:53 PM BST
Suspended
Report SlippyBlue May 2, 2017 7:53 PM BST
Result stands.
Report scoobytoo May 2, 2017 7:53 PM BST
stands...laughable
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:53 PM BST
BENT Sad
Report Mr Mischief May 2, 2017 7:54 PM BST

May 2, 2017 -- 1:50PM, jackboo wrote:


who won the photo finnish


Holy sh

Report OVERSEAS May 2, 2017 7:54 PM BST
what a game...
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:54 PM BST
Did the big bookmakers ring up and say we'd prefer no change as we have to pay twice?
Report coolmore wing May 2, 2017 7:55 PM BST
shocking
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:55 PM BST
im looking forward to how they spin the stewards report Laugh
Report rmccarthy16 May 2, 2017 7:55 PM BST
yes that seems likely, Chandler rang up the oncourse phone...
Report SlippyBlue May 2, 2017 7:55 PM BST
In America, France, Australia etc that would have been disqualified, we don't toe the same line.
Report Willie Shafter. May 2, 2017 7:56 PM BST
Willie Shafter.    02 May 17 19:43 
denmead swung wide coming round final bend and masterson give it a hefty bump and denmead momentarily stopped riding..on that basis bearing in mind was dh it would have to get race..but it did swing wide coming round bend of its own accord.
Report bilbobaggins May 2, 2017 7:57 PM BST
Astounded that wasn't chucked - how can they possibly say it didn't cost Winston's mount a millimetre?
Report rmccarthy16 May 2, 2017 7:57 PM BST
Laugh steve you certainly like the sound of your own voice
Report coolmore wing May 2, 2017 7:57 PM BST
what do you have to do to get chucked out ? total bottle job but sadly comes to no suprise
Report Keefter May 2, 2017 7:58 PM BST
not sure why the outcry on here. interference amounting to a brush should be reversed because its a dead heat but a smash bang get the fcuk off your horse should stand because the horse won by a length hahaha
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:58 PM BST
I will bet less in stewards after that. Disgusting decision. Unless the bump was imaginary.
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 7:59 PM BST
keefter, we don't write the rules on here. We just try and bet by them. But if they make it up as they go along well,,,
Report rmccarthy16 May 2, 2017 7:59 PM BST
if you know it's so varied why do you bet on them in the first place?
Report coolmore wing May 2, 2017 8:00 PM BST
if colm had ridden denmead  he d advised those stips which way to have gone
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:00 PM BST
I don't know it's varied mate. dead heat any interference you go
Report Willie Shafter. May 2, 2017 8:01 PM BST
Willie Shafter.    02 May 17 19:45 
but it did swing wide coming round bend of its own accord.

Wink
Report rmccarthy16 May 2, 2017 8:03 PM BST
but there are so many variables to a stewards inquiry, the interference, the individual stewards interpretation of the interference/rules, the jockeys arguments etc. Obviously easy to say after but we know the rules seem to change daily on what is and what isn't interference.
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:04 PM BST
that's like getting punched in the face and blaming your faceSad
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:05 PM BST
mccarthy imo this one should have been straightforward. The fact the bookies pay out twice on reversed results is a conflict of interest. first and second favs
Report rmccarthy16 May 2, 2017 8:17 PM BST
I don't think conspiracy theories come into this decision
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:26 PM BST
1. UK racing depends on bookmaker profits for funding.
2. A result standing is better for bookmakers' profits than paying out twice (especially when it's the first and second favourite involved)

i'm pretty convinced by the conspiracy tbh.
Report sickoflayinwinners May 2, 2017 8:36 PM BST
fear,high street bookies  would have preferred the fav to be thrown out to halt  running up bets from other winning favs.obviouslypaying out half winnings/stake on both is no different than paying  100% on one or tother, only relevance is which horse would have been better or worse result before race and generally fav winning is worse result therefore they wanted fav demoted  so no need for conspiracy theories. in truth.having said all this i think anyone laying the fav or backing deemed can feel a touch unlucky not to have got the suitable result in the stewards room, clearly could have gone either way.
Report roggrain May 2, 2017 8:45 PM BST
At the time of the bump Den. was 1/2 length behind. In view of that and the dead heat how can it be argued that the interference did not

improve Mast's placing?
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:49 PM BST
sick... dont they pay double result?
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 8:50 PM BST
Astonishing decision imo. Worst ive ever seen. We separate horses by a pixel in a photo dont we?
Report TheFear May 2, 2017 9:04 PM BST
THE FCL GLOBAL FORWARDING MAKING LOGISTICS PERSONAL HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 5)

The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into possible interference off the final bend. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race they found that the dead-heat winner, MASTERSON (IRE), ridden by Silvestre de Sousa, lugged left-handed before being quickly corrected by de Sousa, and gave a light bump to the dead-heat winner DENMEAD, ridden by Robert Winston. They found the interference was accidental and had not improved MASTERSON (IRE)’s placing, in that the incident occurred approximately 1½ furlongs from the line and DENMEAD did not appear to lose any ground or momentum as a result of the contact. They therefore ordered the placings to remain unaltered.

Race 5 - 8:00pm
Report Gagging May 2, 2017 9:17 PM BST
Unless Denmead was bumped into from behind and knocked forward without any impairment of its momentum there must be some physical effect from a bump and therefore what appeared to be a dead heat would most likely result in Denmead returning a time fractionally faster then he did and therefore logically should be assumed the winner – UNLESS there is a history of it refusing to go past horses or Masterson being a tenacious fighter that never gives in.
Report Gagging May 2, 2017 9:19 PM BST
Add a course of logic for all stewards' training plz - along with geometry as they can't seem to work out the effect of horses being knocked or pushed sideways across the width of the track either!
Report volontiers May 2, 2017 9:26 PM BST
let's forget it was a dead-heat and assume it got beat a nose,

would they have come to the same conclusion ?!
Report factmachine May 2, 2017 9:28 PM BST
THEY DONT THROW FAVS OUT AT WOLVS,THE PLACE IS A FLAPPING TRACK,END OF!
Report GEORGE.B May 3, 2017 11:50 AM BST
By failing to make Denmead the outright winner, what the rules are saying is you can bump a rival and get away with it. That is a dangerous precedent, imo. The rules are essentially promoting poor jockeyship.
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