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Thought i'd post it here as there's less mugs than on the football forum (no offence guys)

what do the forum members think is the best use of a bank of £250 on Betfair? It's clearly not trying to back football low odds so what is it?.  is it pre-race or pre-match trading? in-play horses? is it the place market?  or backing horses each way or singles? 

I want serious input here no jokes.

where is the best margin and ROI?

What is the most profitable use of a bank of £250?

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By:
equine flew
When: 23 Apr 17 18:06
Withdraw it and have a week in benidorm
By:
bodey
When: 23 Apr 17 18:09
excellent in benidorn ,just don,t bet in stretford end
By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:10
At the end of the year how much do you want the balance to be?
By:
EL11
When: 23 Apr 17 18:13
There's an endless amount of options. Depends how you play.
By:
betting_masta
When: 23 Apr 17 18:13

Apr 23, 2017 -- 6:10PM, RothmanMike wrote:


At the end of the year how much do you want the balance to be?


as much as possible

By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:14
No Target,no plan,no chance.
By:
betting_masta
When: 23 Apr 17 18:15
£2.5k
By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:18
Totally unrealistic.
The most optimistic achievable target would be to double your money in a year.
By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:19
Suggest you don't bet until you've saved at least £3k then come back again.
By:
betting_masta
When: 23 Apr 17 18:23
ok and in that case what would you advise the way to approach things
By:
dave1357
When: 23 Apr 17 18:25
a) look for a profitable bet
b) use a staking method eg Kelly to select the appropriate % of your bankroll to risk
c) profit
By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:28
The question remains how much is your target for the year.
Then you can establish a daily / monthly requirement without taking excessive risks.
I play with £6k and attempt to win £30 per day /£1000 per month.
By:
dave1357
When: 23 Apr 17 18:35
targets are not any part of gambling.  You aren't selling funeral plans to pensioners or double glazing.  The opportunities are either there or they aren't.
By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 18:38
It's part of the Discipline required,and Discipline is essential,in my opinion and my experience.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 23 Apr 17 18:38
Buy low sell high.
By:
EL11
When: 23 Apr 17 18:40

Apr 23, 2017 -- 6:28PM, RothmanMike wrote:


The question remains how much is your target for the year.Then you can establish a daily / monthly requirement without taking excessive risks.I play with £6k and attempt to win £30 per day /£1000 per month.


6k bank with a target 30 quid per day? Interesting.

By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 23 Apr 17 18:51
You should never have targets in betting. What if you don't win your target amount? Do you roll it over to winning £60 plus any loses you incurred on the previous days punting? How about 2/3/4/5 losing days/weeks in row? NEVER have targets is my advice.
By:
dave1357
When: 23 Apr 17 18:55

Apr 23, 2017 -- 6:38PM, RothmanMike wrote:


It's part of the Discipline required,and Discipline is essential,in my opinion and my experience.


and discipline means not betting when there isn't anything worth betting on.

By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 23 Apr 17 18:56
Targets put you under unnecessary pressure IMO
By:
11kv
When: 23 Apr 17 19:00
Wack it on Hugh Taylors selections....
By:
betting_masta
When: 23 Apr 17 19:10

Apr 23, 2017 -- 7:00PM, 11kv wrote:


Wack it on Hugh Taylors selections....


good shout

By:
RothmanMike
When: 23 Apr 17 20:03
It certainly puts pressure on, that is why you put the lowest possible daily target.
If you miss a day, the next day is only double.
What is does do for me is remove the need to try and win a large amount,and thereby increasing the stress.
£30 per day (£210 per week),should not be excessively stressful,but believe me, it aint easy.
Without the discipline of a target figure (budget),when do you stop - when you're potless?.
By:
dave1357
When: 23 Apr 17 20:17
betting when you don't have anything profitable to bet "because you have a target" is the quickest way to go potless.  It is actually a form of chasing.

In gambling all you can do is make profitable bets when they appear.  If you have a small edge that occurs regularly but requires paying attention to certain markets for long periods of time, then it might well appear that you are achieving a target.  However, the "target" is merely a bi-product of the method of gambling.
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 23 Apr 17 20:17
Follow stridingedge and his Mark Johnston 2017 thread. He seems very knowledgeable, disciplined, doesn't have too many bets and last year I think he showed a profit on his selections and unlike Taylor, his horses aren't going to get over bet. Divide your £250 into  50 X £5 bets, or maybe if you're adventurous 25 X £10, follow the thread, join the discussion and have fun.
By:
onlooker
When: 23 Apr 17 20:35
stridingedge's discipline - let him down badly, at the end of last year, though.

Find his 'Mark Johnston 2016' thread - and you will see that  - following an awful run by Mark Johnston horses, around late Summer/Autumn, I seem to remember, stridingedge really reeled in the bets - as his bank was probably  becoming decimated.

Yes, you've guessed it - Johnston then had several big-priced winners - two at one meeting, and three in a day, I recall - that stridingedge did NOT back -  not one of them.

Naturally, those winners were incomprehensible on any known Form - to ANYBODY - and probably to scattergun Johnston, too - just 'run and hope' jobs.

'Throw enough darts' etc ... Not an approach that would fill me with enthusiasm, nor prevent many sleepless nights.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 23 Apr 17 20:35
why hasnt the OP got Baiter at end of his username?
By:
McCoy Carp
When: 23 Apr 17 20:38
stridingedge's discipline - let him down badly, at the end of last year, though.

Find his 'Mark Johnston 2016' thread - and you will see that  - following an awful run by Mark Johnston horses, around late Summer/Autumn, I seem to remember, stridingedge really reeled in the bets - as his bank was probably  becoming decimated.

Yes, you've guessed it - Johnston then had several big-priced winners - two at one meeting, and three in a day, I recall - that stridingedge did NOT back -  not one of them.

Naturally, those winners were incomprehensible on any known Form - to ANYBODY - and probably to scattergun Johnston, too - just 'run and hope' jobs.

'Throw enough darts' etc ... Not an approach that would fill me with enthusiasm, nor prevent many sleepless nights.


Make it 10 X £25 bets then Wink
By:
ProSniper
When: 23 Apr 17 21:16
Give it to bigmart and watch it blossom.. Laugh
By:
stridingedge
When: 23 Apr 17 21:22
I'll take that stick on the chin last season, I think I learned plenty with the first full season following this trainer, he certainly is far more than a dart chucker in certain circumstances and I have a lot more confidence in what exactly I'm looking for at different points in the season.

As for throwing enough darts i sat out long spells when he had no winners in 30+ runs

And his 3yo's as stated were not firing either

Time will tell onlooker though I won't be expecting anything positive from you whatever happens.
By:
tanglefoot
When: 23 Apr 17 21:32
Follow my approach on £250 bank
Lay for a liability to £13
Win bets for £5
To make a decent go of it u need a bank of at least £2000
By:
Deltâ
When: 23 Apr 17 21:40
£500 per month [profit withdrawn}
By:
AKHazer
When: 23 Apr 17 21:48
Spend your £250 on a nice bit of jewellery for the missus and you're a guaranteed winner ;-)
By:
AKHazer
When: 23 Apr 17 21:48
https://www.irishcelticjewellery.com/collection/modern-irish/pendants.jsp
By:
posy
When: 23 Apr 17 21:56
There is no sensible answer to the original question however in my view RothmanMike has helped the most in highlighting him looking to make £30 a day from a bank of £6000.........the equivalent profit you could most likely aim for with a degree of certainty would be in the region of £1.50 a day from a bank of £250.
My advice would be to arb.
By:
brassneck
When: 23 Apr 17 22:39
10 win
20 win
40 win
80 win
100 win.
but make sure you get a winner ,and then start again.Laugh
The 100 bet is called the hide behind the sofa bet.Laugh
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 23 Apr 17 22:50
tanglefoot    23 Apr 17 21:32 
Follow my approach on £250 bank
Lay for a liability to £13
Win bets for £5
To make a decent go of it u need a bank of at least £2000

post ya last 3mths p&l tar
By:
betting_masta
When: 23 Apr 17 23:38

Apr 23, 2017 -- 8:17PM, McCoy Carp wrote:


Follow stridingedge and his Mark Johnston 2017 thread. He seems very knowledgeable, disciplined, doesn't have too many bets and last year I think he showed a profit on his selections and unlike Taylor, his horses aren't going to get over bet. Divide your £250 into  50 X £5 bets, or maybe if you're adventurous 25 X £10, follow the thread, join the discussion and have fun.


i've kept an eye on Hugh Taylor's selections over the last 5 days or so and not all of his bets go off massively shorter than he advises.
one of his picks on saturday actually drifted quite a bit.

By:
doantwin2easy
When: 23 Apr 17 23:55
This threat is everything that's wrong with gambling today. When are you kids gonna grow some bal**. Bet with your cahunas fully out. Even if you get asked to leave the bookies.

All this arbing rubbish and winning £30 a day. I wouldn't get out of bed for less than £35 a day.

As Dave says, you need an edge. Stop focusing on the end product and start learning the mechanics of the game. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Never known anything like it. Everyone wants to pillage the system, when history proves it's that very system that eats most people alive.
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 24 Apr 17 00:16
arbing is fantastic money if you put the time and effort in.  its the only way the normal man can make consistent money out of the game, many fail as they can't accept losses and take arbs in play and do a months profits in, and the rest don't have the capital to do it.
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