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winner123456
21 Apr 17 19:38
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Had a bet today .. wrote 3 horses on the slip and then wrote 3 x £25 trebles and, £25 accumulator.. All 3 win...4-1,9-4,eve...... What should it pay and why?
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Report sofiakenny April 21, 2017 7:46 PM BST
nothing..you are obviously a nut job.
Report cardenden April 21, 2017 7:47 PM BST
zilch
Report 11kv April 21, 2017 7:51 PM BST
Void
Report dave1357 April 21, 2017 7:54 PM BST
why void all bets won?
Report fool proof April 21, 2017 7:54 PM BST
3 posts in 14 years not bad
Report fool proof April 21, 2017 7:56 PM BST
100 treble should but wont be paid
Report the dealer April 21, 2017 8:06 PM BST
aye and if 2 winners a £25 double
Report winner123456 April 21, 2017 8:07 PM BST
Yes, They are trying to pay 3 x doubles and a Acc... Is this correct?
Report the dealer April 21, 2017 8:09 PM BST
well it is what you meant
Report Johnny_Mustang April 21, 2017 8:12 PM BST
Mart would have been paid out on a Super Heinz if it was his bet.
Report Cork Langer April 21, 2017 8:13 PM BST
To be pedantic 3 doubles and a treble, not enough selections for an accumalator
Report sparrow April 21, 2017 8:34 PM BST
If I'd written a bet out incorrectly I would be too embarrassed to tell everyone on here.
Report equine flew April 21, 2017 8:39 PM BST
As has been demonstrated, bookies settle by what you write not what you mean.

I think you have a strong case for £100 treble.
Report REDROB April 21, 2017 8:47 PM BST
Because the instructions written are nonsensical, it could be settled as 3 singles with stakes equally divided. Because if you say you meant 3 doubles and a treble , they could say , if only one had won you might be claiming you meant 3 singles and a treble.
But any responsible person would know you meant a pony trixie.
Report REDROB April 21, 2017 8:49 PM BST
Accept the offer !
Report the dealer April 21, 2017 8:51 PM BST
aye equine flew and im sure you would be first on to say he should be paid a double had he only 2 winners. what else could it be?

he knows what he meant, the books know what he meant, i'm sure you even know what he meant. nothing to see imho
Report Willie Shafter. April 21, 2017 8:52 PM BST
if you wrote 2 selections and wrote accumulator you'd still get paid..accumulator is money from one onto the next..
Report dunlaying April 21, 2017 9:02 PM BST
I think that if there is no specific rule it should be total stake equally divided between selections. It is what used to be known as a catchpenny.
Report s.kenbo April 21, 2017 9:09 PM BST
Why not write £25 Trixie in future?
Report equine flew April 21, 2017 9:13 PM BST
The dealer, of course I know what he meant and so would the bookie, but that has nothing to do with it.

You settle on what is written not what is meant.   There are many examples of bookmakers working in this way, when it suits them.
Report equine flew April 21, 2017 9:14 PM BST
REDROB, it is not non-sensical.  If he had written 3 trebles with only two selections, or 3 trebles with 4 sections, that would be wrong.   His instructions are valid for 3 horses.
Report the dealer April 21, 2017 9:16 PM BST
there are 3 trebles in 3 selections?
Report dave1357 April 21, 2017 9:19 PM BST
a treble starting with horse a a treble starting with horse b and a treble starting with horse c
Report equine flew April 21, 2017 9:19 PM BST
There is a treble and he wants that 3 times, but that argument is an aside.   

You settle on what is written if it is a valid instruction.
Report warhan April 21, 2017 9:19 PM BST
Why not write £25 Trixie in future?

because this never happened its just one of those questions that prompts debate
Report the dealer April 21, 2017 9:20 PM BST
aye of course he does, no point writing a £100 treble then
Report dave1357 April 21, 2017 9:21 PM BST
btw I think this is a thinly disguised aftertiming fred
Report equine flew April 21, 2017 9:21 PM BST
You misunderstand, I am not saying that is what he meant.   But that is what he has written !!
Report s.kenbo April 21, 2017 9:21 PM BST
Which bookies is it out of curiosity?

I can't see a sleeper raising his head, Warhan if it weren't true.
Report warhan April 21, 2017 9:27 PM BST
I can't see a sleeper raising his head, Warhan if it weren't true.

might be one of bigmart's dormant accounts
Report s.kenbo April 21, 2017 9:32 PM BST
I don't think Mart's got any dormant accounts or we'd have seen this one some time ago.
Report spyker April 21, 2017 9:38 PM BST
We've got this far and no 'you must be a real mug' for:
a) placing an accumulator at all
b) the fact you can get £100 on at all.

Well done fellers.
Report sparrow April 21, 2017 9:40 PM BST
4 posts in 14 years..................might have to wait awhile for a reply. Grin
Report cyprusal April 21, 2017 11:16 PM BST
heres what to do,go into another shop owned by the same bookies and keep putting the same bet on for 10ps until you get one
up with two winners and hope that when you go to collect it they tell you its a loser because you only have a double.i would
say they would have to pay you in full on your bet if they do.
Report GLASGOWCALLING April 21, 2017 11:29 PM BST
i never used to put round robins on , only because i couldnt work out the returns if any, although that aside the op is definetly

fishing imo. Happy
Report Capt__F April 21, 2017 11:57 PM BST
nice lyrics

sun wrote shine
Report Capt__F April 22, 2017 12:01 AM BST
RR

1 winner singles X 2 - 2stake unit + trixie
2 --"___ ____"___X 3  -4stake_"__ + trixie
3 winner singles  *4  - 6 stak + trix


William hill settling days 30 years back might be wong
Report Capt__F April 22, 2017 12:02 AM BST
Cyder kickin in Plain
Report saxon farm April 22, 2017 12:03 AM BST
winner123456
I assume you paid 100 pounds for the bet, and that is confirmed on your copy?

If so, you should be entitled to the full amount of a 25 pound trixie at odds odds stated (unless rule 4 is involved) ie 1631.25

The return for a 100 pound treble is 3250 pounds.

After 30 years experience of bet settlement, this is hardly ambiguous as a trixie was always intended and the wager should be settled as 1631.25 return.
Report Capt__F April 22, 2017 12:06 AM BST
think it pony hasn'nt named the horses
Report saxon farm April 22, 2017 2:20 AM BST
winner123456

What was your bet intention?
Report casemoney April 22, 2017 2:54 AM BST
All 3 win...4-1,9-4,eve

It cant be done
Report equine flew April 22, 2017 9:03 AM BST
Try writing down 4 selections.   With a stake of £11 (no instructions) - however the implication is a £1 yank.

If they win, I can guarantee you will NOT be paid on what you intended.   You will have 4 x £2.75 singles.

As I have stated, you will be paid on the instruction and not the intention.
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:08 AM BST
Or an £11 acca?
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:09 AM BST
or a 50p ew yank
Report sparrow April 22, 2017 9:09 AM BST
In both his posts on this subject the OP refers to his 3 horse bet as an "acca"
Has he never heard of a treble?
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:10 AM BST
obviously heard of a treb cos he wanted 3 of em Confused
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:12 AM BST
It's a trixie, the bookie offered to pay the trixie, should snatch his hand off imo
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:12 AM BST
and give him a drink
Report sparrow April 22, 2017 9:14 AM BST
REDROB    22 Apr 17 09:10 
obviously heard of a treb cos he wanted 3 of em





It may be obvious to you REDROB...........................
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:19 AM BST
Whether you write two, three or four selections on a slip, if the word 'acca' is there then it means 'all the selections as one bet'.

If the OP had only had two winners, would he have been paid out as the intended £25 double, or would they have said it's being settled as a £100 treble?
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:25 AM BST
At the end of the day it is the responsibilty of the bet placer to write precise instructions. Despite what equine implies, these instructions were ambiguous and not valid instructions. Common sense says it is a trixie, which is what the bookie is right to offer. End of.
Report sparrow April 22, 2017 9:26 AM BST
Kenbo, how long has this been the case regarding the word "acca"?
I have not used bookmakers for the past 15 years but before that an "acca" would be 4 horses upwards only. Single, Double and Treble were the words used for 1,2 and 3 horses and never "acca"
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:35 AM BST
Your example is still the case, Sparrow. But placing a straight accumulator on a plain slip, wouldn't see you not getting paid if there were only two or three selections (I'm presuming).

If you used a quick slip for a football bet with three selections, but ticked the 'acca' box, I don't think it registers as there aren't enough selections!
Report equine flew April 22, 2017 9:36 AM BST
Sparrow, go into any bookies, write down two horse and write £10 acca. 

100% of the time you this will be settled as a double.  No question.

REDROB, I respect yours and other people have opinions, but this is not a black and white case, hence the discussion. Just cos you write "End of", it doesn't make it so.
Report sparrow April 22, 2017 9:43 AM BST
I accept what you're saying equine but such carelessness when dealing with money is just asking for trouble.
No wonder so many people get ripped off in their daily dealings of life.
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:46 AM BST
Agreed. ^
Report equine flew April 22, 2017 9:47 AM BST
Indeed sparrow, I agree.   But the mistake has been made now and I guess the discussion is "what happens now".

Morally and ethically, you would say it should be settled as a trixie.   However, that would override the actual written instructions (that despite being clumsy) could be argued as still actually valid.
Report tons of sobs April 22, 2017 9:47 AM BST
TIM FARRON logic needed here... A double was not on the ballot......sorry,..betting slip...
Report REDROB April 22, 2017 9:48 AM BST
How on earth can 3 trebles on 3 selections be valid ?
Report s.kenbo April 22, 2017 9:54 AM BST
He's being paid fairly. But there is a case for a £100 treble possibly being paid, if you go by bookies T&C's.
Report sparrow April 22, 2017 9:58 AM BST
If he's being paid for 3 doubles and a treble then he should be pleased to accept it.
Report saxon farm April 22, 2017 11:53 PM BST
The OP seems to have vanished.
Report sparrow April 23, 2017 7:41 AM BST
4 posts in 14 years saxon. Will probably return in 10 years with another stupid offering.
Report jamilla14 April 24, 2017 3:57 PM BST
£1631.25 absolutely no question. Take your complaint to IBAS. U r nailed om to get paid in full.
Report Albert Einstein April 24, 2017 5:17 PM BST
In the absence of a rule to the contrary, you should get what you asked for.
You have asked for an incorrect number of £25 trebles, there is only one treble on your slip.

Therefore, one £25 treble should be paid in full, with the remaining £50 void.
The £25 acca should be applied to all selections on the slip, so is another winning line.

In effect, a £50 treble should be paid, with £50 void.

Returns £1675.00.
Report s.kenbo April 24, 2017 5:24 PM BST
If that were the case then they'd just class it as an overstake, and put him £50 on each treble.

If I wrote three horses on a slip and wrote £10 win singles down, yet put £60 in the total box, they wouldn't return £30 to me, they'd give me three £20 singles and tell me I'd overstaked my bet.
Report Albert Einstein April 24, 2017 5:34 PM BST
Maybe rules have changed. That's how I would have settled it, back in the day.
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