Chelmsford 6.15 - Winnr may have weighed in light

yeah heard that too

Disqualified!

the 1.01 lads in A & E

2nd matched at 1000?

18:15 Chelmsford City

    1st 2   Culloden 8/1
    2nd 6   Hurricane Alert 40/1
    3rd 4   Fabulous Flyer 9/2

It doesn't happen very often but these kind of reversals are devastating.

apparently the jockey picked up the wrong saddle when weighing in..

Unreal - had 200.00 on Mighty Zip now reversed !!!!!

do you lose stake as well?

Yes

Yes

Wowsers.

yep already taken

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Knocked nearly 22k out the placepot

layed it but have to say losers were mega unlucky there!

last three times there has been a disqualification for weighing in light I have lost money on the first past the post!!

I banked on it in my placepot, gutted.

they can hardly pay you if it hasnt carried the right weight,

BF Exchange should void in such circumstances imo.

They feck u when they ride, they feck you when they don't,they they they.....................................

lost £950 , why is it valid for layers and not backers then - surely bet void & all stakes returned

why if you backed the second why shouldnt you get paid

its just the rules guv

if its a jockey error ,, should be banned for life

if he took the wrong saddle how come he didn't weigh out incorrectly?

The Stewards held an enquiry following an objection from the Clerk of the Scales to the winner, MIGHTY ZIP (USA), ridden by Jordan Uys, and trained by Lisa Williamson, on the grounds of the rider weighing in at 8st 7lb having weighed out at 8st 13lb. They interviewed the rider, the trainer’s representative, and the Clerk of the Scales. Having heard their evidence the Stewards found the trainer in breach of Rule (C)43.3 in that her representative had forgotten to put the weight cloth on. They fined the trainer £1500 and disqualified MIGHTY ZIP (USA), placing CULLODEN, first, HURRICANE ALERT, second, FABULOUS FLYER, third, and ZEBELINI (IRE), fourth.

forgotten to put the weight cloth on

so were was it,over his shoulder

not the jocks fault then

if you cannot win, you should not lose,

those out of pocket should sue for their money back !

Am glad the jockey not to blame as otherwise it would be a nightmare experience for him.

the rep aint feeling too bright though

It's still paying as a winner on sportsbook

Only backers here got scalped - trainer & jockey nothing by comparison - she's fined £1500 - I lost £950 alone to some layer who knew more than we did. Racing needs this like a hole in the head - serious credibility issue for that track also - how hard is it to weigh anyone / anything. Help me out here also , usually holding saddle + weights when being weighed - how do you then pick up another saddle or forget cloth when holding it in ones own arms , weight cloth line don't ring true. Can see legal writs falling like autumn leaves.

good luck to those that are still getting paid by some firms but i always thought if they didnt carry the right weight it didnt count for double result.

there's about a 2lb swing I think.
Normally don't pay double result
when wrong weight is carried.

Sky have paid me.

if they dont take weight into account in their rules which betvictor seem not to, whats to stop anyone putting up a lightweight with a 14 lb weight cloth and just forgetting to put it on, running a stone light

Thank you to them both

****g ****s

what if it doesnt win

it might not but a stone better off gives you a fairly good chance with the right horse and jockey

skybets rules



First Past The Post does not apply on the following markets, events and circumstances:

Horses that are disqualified because they failed to ‘weigh in’ correctly.
Horses that are disqualified because they have taken the ‘wrong course’.
Where there is an official correction to the result by the judge or SIS prior to the "weigh in" and any races which are declared void before the "weigh in" for which Rules of Racing will apply.
Ante Post bets
Races which are declared void.
Bets which rely on Tote Dividends i.e. Jackpots, Placepots etc which are settled Rules of Racing. This includes all pari-mutuel betting

Fookin get in only just found out about Disq layed it in running!!!

talk about rubbing it in

If not carrying right weight bets should be voided & scratched - if horse was disqualified for this reason , then it was never qualified to win anyhow & so how can you retain stake money on that principle -placing 10th is worst outcome for punters & racing
Next week see a horse an all weather disqualified for taking wrong course , won't pay out then either. Wonder why they can't clean up racing or make a proper example of trainers & jockeys.

This week just gets better.

It just leaves it open to abuse, whaddyaknow the fav is disqualified, high fives all round for the bookies.

Disgusting.thank u very much to the person or persons who have cost me a packet.waiting on this horse for a treble,bookmaker not paying out,ban the people from racing.imagine this happening at Cheltenham?something would have been done to protect the punter to save embarrassment imo,but because its only a tin pot meeting nothing will get done.jockey.trainer.stable staff hang your head in shame.thanks again.

its happened for hundred year...next

Some people's livelihoods depend on there betting.i know I will be closing my bookmaker account with this particular firm.

where is the bookmaker at fault?

if the clerk of the scales at Cheltenham
lodged an objection,the same result would
occur,horse DSQ.

U win.but then u don't win.same old story.bookmaker wins every time.terms and conditions shud be rewritten imo

Think of poor trainers now - people already think they're a bunch of Arthur Daley's  - cycling had one Lance Armstrong in it & the **** hit the fan then big style     (quite rightly so) - this crap is a daily occurrence in horse racing , running wide , not trying , dropping hands, horses trading 1000/1 in running then winning - must be 67 Lance Armstrongs out there at least riding horses not bikes , of course not helped when trainers can't lie straight in bed either. Is racing the only sport which is now  more profitable to lay favourites than back them ? - Diff here , is they would not dare let it happen at Cheltenham - repercussions too big. Lost faith in ability of Jockey club to even police this sport. Barney Curley had the right idea all along. Love to know his views on state of this crap.

feel sorry for you but not the bookmakers fault the horse carried 6lb less and got disq.

So iff ruby had won on a hotspot.and bookmakers had paid out.and the horse had been disqualified.how many of those punters wud have gone back to the pitch and returned there winnings?.iff the horse had been disqualified because of a weight cloth error u can't tell me there wud have been punters going ballistic,

the horse might not have won carrying the right weight, your first point doesnt make any sense to me, on your second point off course they wouldnt be happy as you clearly are but it still doesnt make it the books fault or that they should pay

What I am saying is bookmakers have a reponsibilty it's customers.this is really bad.the punter wasn't to know.and the bookmaker should realise this.and change there terms and conditions.

so the next one doesnt put the weight cloth on and its for 14lbs but they should still pay?

like i said feel really sorry for you but cant agree with that, hope your luck changes tomorrow

no - totally agree , deff not bookies fault - but its heads or tales ,either someone can't perform , or trusted to perform in the professional capacity they have been employed to do so in , (not good where large sums of money are involved or a degree of trust) - or the skankers have won - only two choices I'll offer you

human error, probably he/she has saddled 100's and never done it, probably years before it happens again but more than likely it will. you would think in this day an age there would be a process to make sure it shouldnt happen, i agree with that

Bookmaker  getting account closed tomorrow.plenty of other firms who did pay out on the horse.byebye.

this has happened before,people been paid out.
Books withdrew money hours after.

The only BS is that layers got paid. If the horse died before the race the bets would've been voided.

should be big scales next to racecourse and horse and jockey get weighed just before and after race..would solve this problem.

I'm angry because don't think fine was big enough - you could easily pull a lay skank to cover a fine - and still make more than if you had won race anyway
its not a deterrent even , as is giving a jockey a 2 week ban for not trying - you must remember that if you insider deal , rig markets in the city - manipulate markets
you do a long stretch of porridge (and not for huge sums either -city trader got 3 years for 200k share skank)- this is the danger of horse racing , its not trusted. I see a collapse in liquidity in the horse betting industry - the fact that they have to put rock concerts on after racing shows they can't get the foot fall to tracks now - people will desert this sport and go more to football , tennis etc - where you will see an upturn in skanks there , as their liquidity pile gets bigger

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Def a huge opportunity for abuse here.  The horse was fav anyway, then no weight gives it a huge advantage.  If you were going to pull a scam, this is exactly how you would do it.  Huge amounts could be laid on it and backed on the second.

I hope that bf integrity department are investigating if anyone other than regular in running players were in action on the first and second past the post.

The electronic pickpockets take a new turn in skanking - still don't understand if you are carrying something in your arms like saddle , like weights , when weighing out , exactly how you then forget to put on horses back , when it's in your own hands. No integrity dept anywhere will flag anything up - don't want to - all will die a quiet natural death. Wonder what second horse was in running to win - when it was certain to come second before this happened , told Achill Road Boy traded 1000/1 in running at 5.40 pm Hexham thurs 16th , before it won.

Think they should change the rules to void in running bets if the winner is dq'd for wrong weight.  It doesn't happen often so wouldn't be a big inconvenience for players, but would avoid a potentially huge scam.

Could be bad for some stables this - when people start to loose trust in trainers . Owners  will pull horses from any stable & send to other trainers for whatever reason or leave the sport. - Fully accept some prize money won't cover costs for this kind of  racing (which probably drives the industry further towards strange results/happenings), even loosing punters feel for the sport , its just that they don't like to loose like this , its bad faith kind of thing.
Once people feel things are happening behind their backs they can't control - punters or owners , it get a bit twitchy - invariably the stables & sport will loose more than it gained when these things happen , however good the skank paid out, if there was one even.

I have thanked the trainer on twitter for costing me 200 gbp as id laid the 2nd
@lw stables

They need to look into all bets here - backing / laid bets - back Culloden to win for £100 - you would have got £100k ,liquidity permitting - less commission
you could do equiv of a bank robbery every day on your phone & not even get out of bed !!!!!

integrity dept?...can't even get lv to work

For betting purposes, such races should be voided.

Serious momentum gathering - big ground swell happening ,as big as I can remember
legal writs may fall like autumn leaves yet !!!!!

if the horse couldn't possibly win before race then yes should be voided

Bad bad bad day for racing - feeling sorry for all parties & lost nearly £1000 , nearly as much as fine was - feeling sorry for trainer & jockey even
really bad for them , they won't come out of this smelling of roses.

should always be void - you shouldn't take bets on a horse that can't win .  That's like fraud or something 

jockey and trainer should get banned from the sport for life.

If not carrying right weight bets should be voided & scratched - if horse was disqualified for this reason , then it was never qualified to win anyhow & so how can you retain stake money on that principle -

Actually a Fair Point tbh  but how would they settle The race ?

Plus there would also be a Difference if Weight was Lost During the Race.

The fact that really all racing bodies & integrity depts really want this buried out at sea with no trace ,just goes to shows what a dire state racing has degenerated to -
It has no where to go from here if crap like this goes on with nothing being resolved - very well managed damage limitation exercise conducted by all you have to say-
in doing this though , it also gives licence for further skanks to go on,& therefore shows honesty & integrity count for nothing in this sport.

Comment from stable below - peach - we got the wrong horse.... DOH!!

Williamson, who trains a string of 30 in Wrexham, said: "I wasn't there and have no idea how it happened. I'm absolutely distraught. No-one seems to know what happened. Somehow somewhere along the way the weight cloth has been put on the wrong horse. It's gut-wrenching when you're a small yard."

I'm having trouble working out a way to deal with this fairly.

Current approach - clearly those backing the first horse or laying the second in the closing yards of the race have been hard done by.

"Void the market" - what about all the people with bets on the third down to last horse?  Their winnings/losses would have been identical with the lightweight horse out of the race, why should they not keep those?

not really an issue of "fairness" imo.  It is just such an obvious moral hazard.  Can you think of an easier way for an insider to get £10,000s matched?  The opportunity just shouldn't be there.

Its just on here there is a problem ,books dont pay out on the disqualified horse or at max odds the second ,crazy situation

on here it should be voided imo ,seems unbelievable in this day and age that noone is held  accountable and layers have to stand on at max odds

agree about the lack of integrity ,scales should be outside ringside/trackside as well ,public  should see the process and should  not be a long walk to weighing room either ,why there is not live pictures from the scales as well is strange .

The lack of discretion in these cases is always something to behold - there are solutions here that noone wants to enforce because it happens infrequently.

A saddle cloth that has lead slates put into it is just a little old fashioned..

Surely a weighted cloth that cannot lose the weights could and should be developed - of course it would cost money...

Either way time is not kind to people , jockeys ,stables ,trainers and sports in general where this happens , people won't forget or forgive Hansie Cronje for gambling matches he threw in S.African cricket , or Lance Armstrong for cheating - & whilst no one can say this was anything other than human error - no one will forget the wrong race cloth race , where the winner was disqualified - & the second in running , trading at 1000/1 in running was given first - later on
such amateurish antics & lack of professionalism has done the sport immense harm .....powers that be are ostriches with heads in sand.

thay should treat it as a n/r

jackboo that wouldn't solve the in running potential skullduggery.

@jackboo - that solves the issue for those who backed the first horse at 1.01 for lumps as it was about to cross the line.

What it doesn't solve is those who laid the second horse at 1000 at the same time - they're now paying out as that horse is the winner.

The fairest I've been able to come up with is that bets are voided except where the outcome is unaffected.  So in the Win, bets on the first and second horses home are voided, all the rest stand, in Place bets on the second and third and fifth and below stand, bets on the first and fourth are voided.

Nowhere near perfect but I think it removes most of the manifest unfairness without penalising too many innocents too hard.