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Nick Mordin has vanished from horseracing. anyone know what happened?
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The only way a tipster survives long term in this game is by being a "character" ie a clown, buffoon etc and getting work in the media. Little to do with being profitable.
I suspect Mordin is probably not willing or able to adapt to this modus operandi.
I suspect Mordin is probably not willing or able to adapt to this modus operandi.
Nick is a genius. he is someone who comes up with original theories. Some are mad but some are profitable. You've got to think about them & decide which is for you.
He had moved abroad - Hong Kong I think.
He had moved abroad - Hong Kong I think.
the fact he isnt topman in the racingpost says it all
last I heard he was writing for an irish paper
remember him bigging up Novellist early on, went on to smash the track record in the King George
last I heard he was writing for an irish paper
remember him bigging up Novellist early on, went on to smash the track record in the King George
There was a report, for whose veracity I cannot vouch, that Mordin had been signed up by one of the secretive Hong Kong syndicates. That might account for his sudden and prolonged radio silence, but then so would entering a monastery.
Beavering away calculating the winner of next year's Portland by measuring hoof circumferance multiplied by Damsire's Dosage Index divided by inside leg measurement of trainer.
Ekbalco - BRILLIANT - so funny. Mordin would be probably be highly amused at that as well!
Doesn't he post on here, as, err, mordin? Think he admitted to having his worst year ever on the exchange last year only winning £12k.
Don't think that's him. (Though I really am the 1999 Oaks winner.)
Nick Mordins legacy is that he showed people that thinking differently was the only way to profit. Most of the sheep on here simply wanted to follow his every word and make a huge profit, when that did not happen they became disgruntled and cynical. From a writing point of view I would say he is the most influential writer of the last 20 years when it comes to newspaper writers but I expect for the majority on here who prefer 'first hand' information from the trainer splattered across there daily racing page, he would be considered a charlatain. I will always remember Big Mac mocking him at the pulicising on C4 of his book 'winning without thinking'. There was never a greater contrast between stupid media mug and thinker than that match up
You can't deny that his thinking was ahead of it's time.
I'd never even considered a forecast bet until I read 'Betting for a Living'. Recommended to all. A good read.
He was employed for a while by the Irish Field. I think his advice was impacting his income.
I'd never even considered a forecast bet until I read 'Betting for a Living'. Recommended to all. A good read.
He was employed for a while by the Irish Field. I think his advice was impacting his income.
As others have alluded to on here, he was the very anti-thesis of the average media tipster most of whom work for the bookies and just mindlessly tip up short priced favourites.
I think his site was very interesting, he also had a column in the weekender although that must have been a struggle for him as he had to come up with an interesting angle every week, which is surely a bit too much.
The site was a lot better, he'd often come up with very strong opinions about certain horses, some of which could be very wide of the mark for example I remember he thought Detroit City was the second coming after he hosed up in the greatwood, he also thought Black Bear Island was a certainty for the derby, nevertheless he put you on to plenty of winners that would have been overlooked by anyone else.
I think his site was very interesting, he also had a column in the weekender although that must have been a struggle for him as he had to come up with an interesting angle every week, which is surely a bit too much.
The site was a lot better, he'd often come up with very strong opinions about certain horses, some of which could be very wide of the mark for example I remember he thought Detroit City was the second coming after he hosed up in the greatwood, he also thought Black Bear Island was a certainty for the derby, nevertheless he put you on to plenty of winners that would have been overlooked by anyone else.
He gave an alternative way of selecting winners, I still to this day use some of the methods mentioned in his books.
He tipped up Collier Bay @ 33-1 in Jan 96 in a 6 horse field where Jim Old also had the much more fancied Mole Board, it scooted up
and in its next 2 races won the Irish Champion Hurdle and the equivalent at Cheltenham.
He is sadly missed
He tipped up Collier Bay @ 33-1 in Jan 96 in a 6 horse field where Jim Old also had the much more fancied Mole Board, it scooted up
and in its next 2 races won the Irish Champion Hurdle and the equivalent at Cheltenham.He is sadly missed
or just from punting.....remember the first pricewise...was his name cotton found god for a while.........until the lure of punting got him
thnk his name was mark cotton........I bought his book............didn't really help me.....
Was he the guy who was once Split Second and decided weight didn't matter? 
@salmon spray -- Was he the guy who was once Split Second and decided weight didn't matter?
More-or-less. Nick Mordin was never Split Second or any of the other pseudonymous clockers but he did swallow the American Kool Aid so he wrongly believed that Beyer invented speed figures, and that gravity did not affect racehorses.
More-or-less. Nick Mordin was never Split Second or any of the other pseudonymous clockers but he did swallow the American Kool Aid so he wrongly believed that Beyer invented speed figures, and that gravity did not affect racehorses.
Was he the guy who was once Split Second and decided weight didn't matter?
Wasn't that Dave Dickinson, the same Dave Dickinson who's now a BHA handicapper?
Wasn't that Dave Dickinson, the same Dave Dickinson who's now a BHA handicapper?
He went to live in America, outside of New York, many years ago.
Spiritual home, I suppose - as the majority of his methods were based on (American style calculation) Speed Figures, which when applied to British and Australian racing simply do NOT work - further compounded by the fact that, as previously mentioned, he ignored WEIGHT carried.
Other barmpot ideology was to be a slave to the Dosage Index (for the Epsom Derby) - an unequal struggle that he eventually gave up several years ago, following many seasons of utter embarrassment for the nonsense.
That Dosage dross has been carried on, in recent years, by Steve Somebody or other, who they describe as their "Dosage Expert" - The results for Steve's convoluted crap having been even worse than Mordin's utter embarrassment with the folly, this past few years.
Spiritual home, I suppose - as the majority of his methods were based on (American style calculation) Speed Figures, which when applied to British and Australian racing simply do NOT work - further compounded by the fact that, as previously mentioned, he ignored WEIGHT carried.
Other barmpot ideology was to be a slave to the Dosage Index (for the Epsom Derby) - an unequal struggle that he eventually gave up several years ago, following many seasons of utter embarrassment for the nonsense.
That Dosage dross has been carried on, in recent years, by Steve Somebody or other, who they describe as their "Dosage Expert" - The results for Steve's convoluted crap having been even worse than Mordin's utter embarrassment with the folly, this past few years.
No - top2rated -
Aren't you are thinking of Dave Bellingham - so-called 'King of the sand' ...
- until the mirage that is Mapletoft decided to gazump him.
Aren't you are thinking of Dave Bellingham - so-called 'King of the sand' ...
- until the mirage that is Mapletoft decided to gazump him.
Who was the Split Second who decided to ignore weight then ?
It happened in the old Handicap Book probably in the 70s,maybe later. I thought at the time I had never heard anything so daft. His predecessor did adjust for weight.
It happened in the old Handicap Book probably in the 70s,maybe later. I thought at the time I had never heard anything so daft. His predecessor did adjust for weight.
With regards to that Dosage index and the Epsom Derby.
The first year he brought that up andwrote an article on it was in the Weekender.
It came up with 2 horses
Dr Devious finished first
St Jovite finished second.
I think after that a lot of people thought it was the Holy Grail for a few years.
The first year he brought that up andwrote an article on it was in the Weekender.
It came up with 2 horses
Dr Devious finished first
St Jovite finished second.
I think after that a lot of people thought it was the Holy Grail for a few years.
Ken Hussey was the original (weight-adjusted) Split Second, and basically but for his standard times I would have spent the last quarter of a century working instead of punting. No pundit/analyst/tipster ever took more care over what he did.
After his death, Dave Bellingham churned out daft, non-weight adjusted numbers.
You have to respect Mordin for putting the effort in, whatever the results. I remember sharing a carriage with him on the rattler back from Newmarket one day, and while everyone else was offering the usual moaning over where the afternoon's punting had gone wrong, he was a torrent of opinions, analysis and theories interspersed with flying sheafs of Form Book, while obsessively updating his speed figures.
Of course, being non weight-adjusted, those speed figures were only applicable on the Moon, but then again, you got the impression that's where Mordin's brain was wired sometimes. But he loved the game and, as I said, did genuinely do the work.
After his death, Dave Bellingham churned out daft, non-weight adjusted numbers.
You have to respect Mordin for putting the effort in, whatever the results. I remember sharing a carriage with him on the rattler back from Newmarket one day, and while everyone else was offering the usual moaning over where the afternoon's punting had gone wrong, he was a torrent of opinions, analysis and theories interspersed with flying sheafs of Form Book, while obsessively updating his speed figures.
Of course, being non weight-adjusted, those speed figures were only applicable on the Moon, but then again, you got the impression that's where Mordin's brain was wired sometimes. But he loved the game and, as I said, did genuinely do the work.
The evdince for me is clear, non adjusted for weight speed figures perform better in terms of loss in the pound bet blindly
The only thing made clear by that statement is that you've tried two tipsters' speed figures, and the way you used them both lost you money.
The name Ken Hussey rings a bell. Split Second was certainly on the go in 1963 and for all I know well before that. He would have been the sane one then. Bellingham's name I don't recognise. I think I've always assumed it was Mordin who altered the approach. I must have read something where he shared Bellingham's opinion and assumed there couldn't be two as daft.
I thought he went on the missing list after a long and meaningful discussion on time figures with Bigmart.
Split second ken hussey by far the best speed figures in the business I wonder what he would make of today when they are near impossible on the flat with now changing distances of the races daily and a lot of this correction are just pure guess work like rail moved out 5 yds added 72 yds to race distance pure guess work now
In the old days they couldent move the concrete posts a few yards out lol
As for mordin just thought he made you think but most of his ideas were of no use but a good read and that's what a journalist tries to do methodmaker was good
In the old days they couldent move the concrete posts a few yards out lol
As for mordin just thought he made you think but most of his ideas were of no use but a good read and that's what a journalist tries to do methodmaker was good
Mordin wrote in his book, Betting For A Living that you should ignore weight.
He devoted a chapter to it and supplied figures that backed up his argument.
Yet his first set of figures were for winners defying extra weight against horses they had previously beaten.
Which is to be expected, because if a horse beats another horse a length, it doesn't mean that the horse wasn't capable of beating it further.
He devoted a chapter to it and supplied figures that backed up his argument.
Yet his first set of figures were for winners defying extra weight against horses they had previously beaten.
Which is to be expected, because if a horse beats another horse a length, it doesn't mean that the horse wasn't capable of beating it further.
Mordin said he packed up betting for a living, after finding that hammering up and down the motorways visiting tracks day after day wasn't for him. When part of his plan was to observe the livestock in the parade ring.
He's got a point.
He's got a point.
Selling the big issue isn't he? But no one knows where.
Read betting for a living when I was a teenage fledgling gambler (with 0 idea for horse racing) - it's essentially a great read in terms of the philosophy and doctrine of 'betting for a living' rather than a rule book to find winners.
Still go back to it at times, there's some great sections to read over, and it reminds you that you have to keep adapting to keep winning in this game. Nothing stands still forever.
Still go back to it at times, there's some great sections to read over, and it reminds you that you have to keep adapting to keep winning in this game. Nothing stands still forever.
but as someone said earlier in this post, at times there's a little forgotten nugget in his methods that actually still applies to a race today if you dig deep enough...
Mordin went to live in America around 20 years ago - in a suburb outside of New York
Due to his leaning towards American racing, and their vastly over-rated Speed Figures system/methodology the pull of America could not be resisted.
He continued to follow British and French racing via Big Race Videos and the like - Timing them himself from those Videos and compiling his NON-Weight adjusted 'Speed Ratings' from the same.... and that was it.
Never a proper serious FORM Student in the finer term, he merely being a Speed Figures absolute devotee
- same as Willoughby and Simon Rowlands - is it any wonder that he had his Willoughby type 'off the wall' MOMENTS.
But how often do such 'MOMENTS' pass the longevity test?
Due to his leaning towards American racing, and their vastly over-rated Speed Figures system/methodology the pull of America could not be resisted.
He continued to follow British and French racing via Big Race Videos and the like - Timing them himself from those Videos and compiling his NON-Weight adjusted 'Speed Ratings' from the same.... and that was it.
Never a proper serious FORM Student in the finer term, he merely being a Speed Figures absolute devotee
- same as Willoughby and Simon Rowlands - is it any wonder that he had his Willoughby type 'off the wall' MOMENTS.
But how often do such 'MOMENTS' pass the longevity test?
speed figures are more useful on dirt than they are on turf due to surface consistency, plus the US have sectional times which you need to upgrade/downgrade final time figures
southwell a/w they are useful particularly if you have accurate split data
southwell a/w they are useful particularly if you have accurate split data
horses drawn in car parks
jockeys giving the outside to no one
jockeys who couldn't beat an egg
jockeys who cant remove a hood
never been so easy to lay horses due to exchanges
so once you find a race where everyone,s running on its merits,with the right ground,right mark in a truely run race you can fight it out with willo and mordin as to who,s got 2lbs 7 ounces in hand,and hope the horse gets out of bed on the right side, and the jock weighs in,
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think mon mone finished mordin off winning national
jockeys giving the outside to no one
jockeys who couldn't beat an egg
jockeys who cant remove a hood
never been so easy to lay horses due to exchanges
so once you find a race where everyone,s running on its merits,with the right ground,right mark in a truely run race you can fight it out with willo and mordin as to who,s got 2lbs 7 ounces in hand,and hope the horse gets out of bed on the right side, and the jock weighs in,
,think mon mone finished mordin off winning national
track biases too even 2 horse widths apart it's a fcuking nightmare really
yes sorry forgot to mention the golden highway,cycle,jogging paths, ,split in to 2,.3 even 4 groups
,split in to 2,.3 even 4 groups
Chat gpt
Mordin was the author of several influential books on horse racing, including "Winning Without Thinking: A Guide to Horse Race Betting Systems," "Betting for a Living: Nick Mordin's Winning Strategies," and "The Winning Look at Big Race Horses." These books are still considered essential reading for serious horse racing enthusiasts.
Mordin passed away in 2012 at the age of 56, but his contributions to the field of horse racing analysis and betting continue to be remembered and respected by racing fans and professionals alike.
Mordin was the author of several influential books on horse racing, including "Winning Without Thinking: A Guide to Horse Race Betting Systems," "Betting for a Living: Nick Mordin's Winning Strategies," and "The Winning Look at Big Race Horses." These books are still considered essential reading for serious horse racing enthusiasts.
Mordin passed away in 2012 at the age of 56, but his contributions to the field of horse racing analysis and betting continue to be remembered and respected by racing fans and professionals alike.
Does ChatGPT have any evidence for Mordin's demise or is it just making stuff up, as allegedly it is prone to do?
Let's see. Nick Mordin was still writing for the Weekender and Irish Field in 2013 and Ouija Board won the Oaks in 2004, so...
Let's see. Nick Mordin was still writing for the Weekender and Irish Field in 2013 and Ouija Board won the Oaks in 2004, so...
This is the future: your pension's been cancelled because it's now being run by Artificial intelligence, and Artificial Intelligence says you're dead. And the person whose job it used to be to correct these things has been replaced by Artificial Intelligence.
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