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Don't know what you're on about - so much better than C4 and Matt Chapman is a legend.
Matt Chapman is a piece of common lowlife...that winners' presentation was nausiating
I would imagine that connections to the winner at thst presentation, would all have been completely embarrassed by Crapmans bullshlt
What the **** is wrong with you people. Moan, moan, moan.
I like Luke and Sir Tony explaining what i can see with my eyes during the race
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What the **** is wrong with you people. Moan, moan, moan.
No pleasing some people Bilbo.
What the **** is wrong with you people. Moan, moan, moan.
No pleasing some people Bilbo.
I like Luke and Sir Tony explaining what i can see with my eyes during the race
Isn't that what comms do?!
Isn't that what comms do?!
posy, if you don't like get it off your screen yourself by switching channels, bilbo is spot on moan moan fcn moan, f f s its the first day of anew year , pull your fcn socks up , get a grip or switch off.!!!if you moaning lot had something really serious to worry about you fcn fall in a heap!!!
Top jockey Victoria Pendleton on the team!
Matt will be out by Cheltenham;I'm sure Robert Waley Cohen will make sure he doesn't debase the winners enclosure again.If Sam Vestey were still Chairman he'd have had the idiot horse whipped.
Graphics are pure sh1te.........4-10 For the whole lot.
Harvey laughed his way through the show, while McCoy standing next to him appeared ready to burst into tears at any second.
Perhaps McCoy thought Harvey was laughing at him?
Harvey must think that if he laughs at everything, people won't notice that he's got nothing to say?
While McCoy would struggle to think up a reply to someone wishing him a good afternoon.
They both held their microphones like a couple of children licking their lollies.
Do they really get paid for standing there like a couple of china faced dolls.
Perhaps McCoy thought Harvey was laughing at him?
Harvey must think that if he laughs at everything, people won't notice that he's got nothing to say?
While McCoy would struggle to think up a reply to someone wishing him a good afternoon.
They both held their microphones like a couple of children licking their lollies.
Do they really get paid for standing there like a couple of china faced dolls.
I just wanted to bring them all out of the cold and wet....They all looked so miserable.
Standing there in their overcoats Like a couple of undertakers waiting for someone to die so that they could buy them.
thought it was a good start , targeting newcomers to the game with the explanations of prices etc ,didnt like the owners presentation fanfare but each to his own , chapman does inject a bit of spark into preceedings room for improvement and should get better , will be plenty of moaners but thats life .
Some people would moan if they found a fiver on the floor saying why it couldn't of been ten 
yep lc reminds me of the joke about 2 jewish fella walking in the street ,solly finds an unopened wage packet on the pavement,abe says solly you are a lucky khoont ,lucky says solly! look at the fookin tax i paid !
Jimbo and Cunningham irreplaceable imo. 2/10 for me.
The fact they have a 30k competition at 2 quid a pop says all you want to know.
It was probably the worst presentation of a days racing one is ever likely to see. Never mind you lot who think all we do is moan. We have a right to do so when we see the sport reduced to a vaudeville act. I don't give a toss about how it is trying to appeal to a " new" audience. If THAT new "audience" needs this sort of garbage to attract it to the greatest sport on Earth, then heaven help us all. Do people really believe that acting like buffoons will improve viewing figures? Stick to X Factor, IAC, Big Brother and all the other modern day monstrosities for your "fix". Racing and its presentation needs to be in the hands of adults, not juveniles. Chapman, idiotic....EC characterless, LH like a schoolboy trying to join the big boys, Pendleton......simply of no use, AP, pst off with it all for sure. Finally Fitzy...." What's the difference in a bike and a horse?" Andy is waving goodbye, goodbye...goodbye.
Excellent post, Roy. I hope the people at ITV Racing are reading this forum.
Always worried when the majority seem to have an opinion that is exactly the opposite to mine.
I thought ITV did an excellent job. However I never watch racing live which allows me to spin through the carpet bombing of adverts and the option of editing.
I thought ITV did an excellent job. However I never watch racing live which allows me to spin through the carpet bombing of adverts and the option of editing.
I love watching the racing on a Saturday. I've been a fan since 1998. I have enjoyed all the Channel 4 and BBC coverage over the years, with very little complaint. I did have Racing UK and ATR at one point, too.
I was very disappointed that Nick Luck wouldn't be moving to ITV, but I was feeling quite optimistic when I sat down to watch the racing yesterday.
I was completey gutted.
It got off to a bad start with the misty camera lens
Thank goodness, they still have Richard Hoiles. It was nice seeing Luke Harvey again. I don't think the fact they were all freezing cold helped matters.
I can only hope the ITV Racing team see the error of their ways and things will improve.
I was very disappointed that Nick Luck wouldn't be moving to ITV, but I was feeling quite optimistic when I sat down to watch the racing yesterday.
I was completey gutted.
It got off to a bad start with the misty camera lens
Thank goodness, they still have Richard Hoiles. It was nice seeing Luke Harvey again. I don't think the fact they were all freezing cold helped matters.
I can only hope the ITV Racing team see the error of their ways and things will improve.
rayman..the time to start worrying is when the majority agree with one's opinion!
In my opinion Chapman is a class act. Not afraid to have a laugh at himself.
IMHO he will be wasted in the betting ring. They obviously see him as a "McCririck". I don't see the need to have anyone in the betting ring to be frank.
His interview/documentary pieces on ATR are superb and some of the best tv on any racing channel. He clearly does his homework when conducting the interviews.
Horse racing is an incredible sport with an incredible history. ITV would entice far more viewers by telling the story of racings history and the characters down the years than they would by telling people how much they'll get back if punting a 6/4 shot.
Fitz, McCoy and Pendleton bring nothing to the show. Compare to Neville and Carragher who will openly criticise players poor performances, criticism in horse racing is not existent.
IMHO he will be wasted in the betting ring. They obviously see him as a "McCririck". I don't see the need to have anyone in the betting ring to be frank.
His interview/documentary pieces on ATR are superb and some of the best tv on any racing channel. He clearly does his homework when conducting the interviews.
Horse racing is an incredible sport with an incredible history. ITV would entice far more viewers by telling the story of racings history and the characters down the years than they would by telling people how much they'll get back if punting a 6/4 shot.
Fitz, McCoy and Pendleton bring nothing to the show. Compare to Neville and Carragher who will openly criticise players poor performances, criticism in horse racing is not existent.
just watched the programme again on the player.
Very good,laughed out loud a few times.
AP and Matt are going to be comedy gold throughout the year.
Very good,laughed out loud a few times.
AP and Matt are going to be comedy gold throughout the year.
Racingqueen • January 2, 2017
Fitz, McCoy and Pendleton bring nothing to the show...... criticism in horse racing is not existent.
The solution to this?
I think bring in a young turk that wants to make a name for him/herself that won't mind putting ppl's noses out of joint.
Surely any 20 something racing journalist would jump at the chance to be the next big Mac
Fitz, McCoy and Pendleton bring nothing to the show...... criticism in horse racing is not existent.
The solution to this?
I think bring in a young turk that wants to make a name for him/herself that won't mind putting ppl's noses out of joint.
Surely any 20 something racing journalist would jump at the chance to be the next big Mac
Excellent post, Roy. I hope the people at ITV Racing are reading this forum.
Let's hope not eh? If they make a programme to try to please this place then they will have an ultra low audience of 10's of thousands in no time but some very happy old goats that sit around in just their pants all day moaning about how everything has gone to carp - despite the fact the are the ones that brought the carp in the first place!
Let's hope not eh? If they make a programme to try to please this place then they will have an ultra low audience of 10's of thousands in no time but some very happy old goats that sit around in just their pants all day moaning about how everything has gone to carp - despite the fact the are the ones that brought the carp in the first place!
What did ITV do by way of an analysis of what the coverage of racing should be? Virtually every answer I have heard has been "to attract new viewers". As soon as you hear this you know you are dealing with amateurs who do not possess the knowledge or background to come up with the correct answer. Racing coverage is not a soap or a fly on the wall nonsense programme. It is not a drama nor even a football match. It is coverage of a sport inextricably linked to gambling. No coverage of the darts World Championships will attract those who are desperately bored by "arrers". It is hugely unlikely that racing will attract those who are totally uninterested in betting. The old ITV 7 and even the newer Scoop 6 were attempts to attract new "jackpot punters". C4 and now ITV racing panders to these new punters. How many? A few hundred. In the meantime in attempting to attract these few they are alienating their real fan base; the real punters. What we need is to get rid of the clutter especially the jockey "pundits", the Victoria Pendletons (bring nil to the analysis) and bring back the form analysts and "insiders". Above all, the ring coverage (totally necessary part of the programme) must be given to someone who does not alienate as the totally insufferable Chumpan does every time he speaks. The constant interview with the trainer or owner who states that "the horse is well and we are expecting a big run" is boring meaningless drivel. Might be nice to hear "We've laid this one out and he is a past the post certainty. I have five grand on at 20s and even at 14s he is a stonking bet". Wake up ITV: analyse the product. Give us what is needed and forget the audience figures.
Spyker. I can assure you I do not sit around in a state of undress all day. Horse racing and it's coverage should be directed at those who love horse racing. NOT those few who think it might be another excuse to fill up with booze and trot off to some Saturday meet just for the pss up! There was a teacher on the box the other day, some quiz programme, Tipping Point I think. He was asked, " What sort of animal was Foinavon, winner of the 1967 Grand National?" After a moments thought he passed!!! I wouldn't mind betting that plenty who tuned in to Saturdays ITV coverage would say just the same!! Personally......... I would like a programme based on each race as it approaches. Good paddock analysis, video contributions, time to cover each horse on it's merits. Not the difference in horse and bike, or the weather which is plain to see, Chapman talking about bald heads and pundits looking generally stupid!
Excellent ,brilliant posts by Roy and Jimmy. Absolutely spot on. 
The presentation by ITV of horse racing yesterday was dire,pathetic,risible and puerile.
The presentation by ITV of horse racing yesterday was dire,pathetic,risible and puerile.
The easiest 1.01 this year the new show would get slated by the usual suspects.
totally agree WESDAG, you would have thought the tv remote had never been invented.
Hehehehe. As I had backed Honey End I would say so Hovis!
If the presenters were football managers they would not last a month. In future put it on stand by until five minutes before each race.
I seldom watch football nowadays but when I do I have the sound off. I want to watch the game not have someone telling me what's happening.
I seldom watch football nowadays but when I do I have the sound off. I want to watch the game not have someone telling me what's happening.
One other thing I forgot to add is the fact I had to put on my reading glasses to see the betting. Far smaller than CH4. Anybody else expierience this 'malfunction'.
Malfunction brilliantly describes the performance of Chapman.
Evil, Posy & Facts, surely you've got RUK with the after timers with zero personalities to give you what you want from a racing show? I'd just give ITV racing a miss from now on if I was you. I won't be, I thoroughly enjoyed it apart from the cringey hair, no hair bit. Matt has waited so long to get on mainstream TV he did get a bit carried away but in the long-term this guy will bring plenty to the show. Agree with those saying VP brings nothing and the graphics need to be bigger. A good first show which I can see improving over time.
watching a programme so that you can then moan about it is surely an illness?
As has been said, you have a remote control, use it.
(ie) never watch itv racing ever again.
As has been said, you have a remote control, use it.
(ie) never watch itv racing ever again.
I'm up for it, a new section ... could be called "Kenny's Corner" .... an in depth analysis of which horses were hooked up today and by whom ... that should raise a heart beat or two at the BHA.
How long before they would pull it ? ... Odds please !!
Haven't been able to watch any of the unanimously voted "dross" so far as I am on the French Riviera soaking up the sun (18 deg. today) ... but this seems like ITV are pandering to the common denominator, the people who occasionally watch a bit of racing, bet at weekend-ends and need to be spoon fed all the celebrity carp that emanates from modern TV ... they have been brainwashed by hooky talent shows, nonce's dancing and fixed quiz programmes.
How long before they would pull it ? ... Odds please !!
Haven't been able to watch any of the unanimously voted "dross" so far as I am on the French Riviera soaking up the sun (18 deg. today) ... but this seems like ITV are pandering to the common denominator, the people who occasionally watch a bit of racing, bet at weekend-ends and need to be spoon fed all the celebrity carp that emanates from modern TV ... they have been brainwashed by hooky talent shows, nonce's dancing and fixed quiz programmes.
Whilst I find it very odd that anyone who watched the broadcast could remain unembarrassed by Chapman's puerile antics I accept that one man's meat is another man's poison.
Perhaps one of Chapman's apologists would care to specifically answer the following questions
1. What was the purpose of Chapman spending a substantial amount of his camera time in wanting the audience to guess/vote whether or not a bookmaker wearing a hat was bald or not ?
2. What was his hyped up presentation ceremony meant to achieve ?
He left me with the impression he was auditioning for the prat of the year award and the only people who would find his antics acceptable would be the sort of person who would watch Jeremy Kyle and shows like the national lottery and x factor.
Perhaps one of Chapman's apologists would care to specifically answer the following questions
1. What was the purpose of Chapman spending a substantial amount of his camera time in wanting the audience to guess/vote whether or not a bookmaker wearing a hat was bald or not ?
2. What was his hyped up presentation ceremony meant to achieve ?
He left me with the impression he was auditioning for the prat of the year award and the only people who would find his antics acceptable would be the sort of person who would watch Jeremy Kyle and shows like the national lottery and x factor.
The hair/no hair thing was the point I switched off.
Childish nonsense.
Childish nonsense.
lighten up posy, if its paddock views, in depth form guides, and serious debate you want.... i am afraid you aint gonna get it.
as most knew before the start of the show it was never going to be for the serious punters amongst us. i thought the same as a few on here..
a fair first attempt which can only improve.
as most knew before the start of the show it was never going to be for the serious punters amongst us. i thought the same as a few on here..
a fair first attempt which can only improve.
yes agree dan, he would of been better off asking him where his link to b/f was.
Once again, totally agree posy. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Crapman was absolutely dire.
Crapman was absolutely dire.
Glasgow you tell me to 'lighten up' and there are times when that could be a valid response to some of my posts however not in this instance. Your comment insinuates I should join the proletariat and smile/laugh at his clowning anctics and say either outloud or to myself "What a larf this geezer is ".
Well hell would have to freeze over before I demeaned myself in that way.What we saw on Sunday was rank bad broadcasting and whilst the powers that be at ITV might think that dumbing down racing will attract the attention of the ignorant masses I'm sure in your heart you would agree with me that all they will achieve by pursuing such a strategy is the alienation of racing's true supporters.
I do notice that none of Chapman's apologists have bothered to answer my specific questions !
Well hell would have to freeze over before I demeaned myself in that way.What we saw on Sunday was rank bad broadcasting and whilst the powers that be at ITV might think that dumbing down racing will attract the attention of the ignorant masses I'm sure in your heart you would agree with me that all they will achieve by pursuing such a strategy is the alienation of racing's true supporters.
I do notice that none of Chapman's apologists have bothered to answer my specific questions !
Why don't they have TheNorfolkMafia on?
He could Tic-tac the odds from the betting ring!
He could Tic-tac the odds from the betting ring!
Tbh I really don't know what people expected. There are only so many ways that animals running up and down a field can be made to look exciting.......most new viewers would not know the difference between a Gold Cup and Derby.
Punters who have had betting interest will tune in, those that have not could not careless who is presenting the programme.
Let's face it McCoy would rather be anywhere else than presenting. He is just not cut out for it........this seems to be the thing these days just because you happen to be a great sportsman then tv producers believe that McCoy and others will be marvellous presenters......this rarely happens but the powers that be never learn by there mistakes in this area.
Chapman simply wants to use horseracing as a platform for other ventures, if he can get away with it........the more he clowns around the more he is likely to be signed up for a reality tv gig or something, as a producer will think he may stir up trouble in that particular genre.(Chapman would love a big payday).
Just by changing the presenting line up is not going attract people to suddenly say to themselves I really must tune in to the horses today.......they will not watch this stuff because they believe it will entertain them for the afternoon imho.....people watch as I said earlier because they have had a bet.....end of.
Viewing figures will take a massive hit when on ITV4 anyway.....that's a 1.01.
They can try all the fancy camera work plus other little insights but this does not float the boat of the general public......I would have thought if this programme was not attracting at least a couple of million viewers then it's a flop......most other programmes with this sort of appeal would be scrapped within weeks.
I feel this new venture for ITV will only last a few years or so.
Btw way Chapman when covering the betting please mention that you get your stake back on a winning bet.......new viewers would not even know this, plus these are the ones you are trying to attract into the sport!
I would give it a mark of 4/10 much the same as CH4......but then again the mute button was used fairly often!!
Punters who have had betting interest will tune in, those that have not could not careless who is presenting the programme.
Let's face it McCoy would rather be anywhere else than presenting. He is just not cut out for it........this seems to be the thing these days just because you happen to be a great sportsman then tv producers believe that McCoy and others will be marvellous presenters......this rarely happens but the powers that be never learn by there mistakes in this area.
Chapman simply wants to use horseracing as a platform for other ventures, if he can get away with it........the more he clowns around the more he is likely to be signed up for a reality tv gig or something, as a producer will think he may stir up trouble in that particular genre.(Chapman would love a big payday).
Just by changing the presenting line up is not going attract people to suddenly say to themselves I really must tune in to the horses today.......they will not watch this stuff because they believe it will entertain them for the afternoon imho.....people watch as I said earlier because they have had a bet.....end of.
Viewing figures will take a massive hit when on ITV4 anyway.....that's a 1.01.
They can try all the fancy camera work plus other little insights but this does not float the boat of the general public......I would have thought if this programme was not attracting at least a couple of million viewers then it's a flop......most other programmes with this sort of appeal would be scrapped within weeks.
I feel this new venture for ITV will only last a few years or so.
Btw way Chapman when covering the betting please mention that you get your stake back on a winning bet.......new viewers would not even know this, plus these are the ones you are trying to attract into the sport!
I would give it a mark of 4/10 much the same as CH4......but then again the mute button was used fairly often!!
JUST HAVE A LOOK AT THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLov3GzgOuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLov3GzgOuE
Plus - ' John McCririck goes mental '
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXAK-2TQ_bA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXAK-2TQ_bA
How the national media reacted to ITV racing
By Tony McFadden 8:45PM 2 JAN 2017
AMID much fanfare racing has returned to ITV after 32 years, attracting widespread scrutiny in Britain's newspapers and providing the sport with the sort of column inches it normally attracts only at major festivals.
And their reaction to ITV Racing's debut at a rain-sodden Cheltenham on New Year's Day was largely positive.
Lead host Ed Chamberlin, who had been lured from Sky, was praised for his assured performance. Alan Tyers of The Daily Telegraph felt the presenter had a "good dynamic" with analysts Sir Anthony McCoy and Luke Harvey, with Steve Jones of The Sun saying the pair of former jockeys had "the makings of a good double act".
Of the on-screen team it was the performance of Matt Chapman, deployed in a roving reporter role, which most polarised opinion. Mark Souster of The Times praised his "energy and enthusiasm", but Chris Goulding in The Express thought he was "bordering on becoming an irritant".
Challenging conditions
Souster added that "Chamberlin was at ease", testament to his professionalism as conditions in the exposed parade ring were certainly challenging.
"Not since Steve McClaren was seen drowning as England manager has the basic brolly played such a prominent part in sport's broadcasting," said Jonathan McEvoy in the Daily Mail - and the decision to brave the elements was certainly a big talking point.
Tyers felt the lack of a studio helped to create a good atmosphere, but Souster argued a contingency plan should have been put in place once it became apparent that conditions were so poor.
Chris Cook of The Guardian was more critical than most and said: "ITV Racing's impressive roster of talent did not combine to make the powerful, confident first broadcast for which producers must have hoped."
The Guardian also noted a concern, widely shared in other quarters, that the on-screen graphics were too small to read.
By Tony McFadden 8:45PM 2 JAN 2017
AMID much fanfare racing has returned to ITV after 32 years, attracting widespread scrutiny in Britain's newspapers and providing the sport with the sort of column inches it normally attracts only at major festivals.
And their reaction to ITV Racing's debut at a rain-sodden Cheltenham on New Year's Day was largely positive.
Lead host Ed Chamberlin, who had been lured from Sky, was praised for his assured performance. Alan Tyers of The Daily Telegraph felt the presenter had a "good dynamic" with analysts Sir Anthony McCoy and Luke Harvey, with Steve Jones of The Sun saying the pair of former jockeys had "the makings of a good double act".
Of the on-screen team it was the performance of Matt Chapman, deployed in a roving reporter role, which most polarised opinion. Mark Souster of The Times praised his "energy and enthusiasm", but Chris Goulding in The Express thought he was "bordering on becoming an irritant".
Challenging conditions
Souster added that "Chamberlin was at ease", testament to his professionalism as conditions in the exposed parade ring were certainly challenging.
"Not since Steve McClaren was seen drowning as England manager has the basic brolly played such a prominent part in sport's broadcasting," said Jonathan McEvoy in the Daily Mail - and the decision to brave the elements was certainly a big talking point.
Tyers felt the lack of a studio helped to create a good atmosphere, but Souster argued a contingency plan should have been put in place once it became apparent that conditions were so poor.
Chris Cook of The Guardian was more critical than most and said: "ITV Racing's impressive roster of talent did not combine to make the powerful, confident first broadcast for which producers must have hoped."
The Guardian also noted a concern, widely shared in other quarters, that the on-screen graphics were too small to read.
This article may answer some critics....
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/2/10716725/ed-chamberlin-up-and-running
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/2/10716725/ed-chamberlin-up-and-running
Not watched it yet....pleasantly surprised (I hope) this saturday.
posy - 'serious question...is Luke Harvey retarded ?'
Let me put it this way - a meerkat is more intelligent and better looking!
Let me put it this way - a meerkat is more intelligent and better looking!
aberdonia
I note there was a noticeable absence of any reference to Matt Chapman.
I note there was a noticeable absence of any reference to Matt Chapman.
I switched channels on several occasions throughout the programme when it became just too embarrassing when Chapman was on screen. I waited a few minutes and switched back again after he had finished his rants.
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