Jason Ward 'He's got a tongue like a black man's provate parts'

Missed this, did Mapletoft enquire as to where Mr Ward has been viewing black men's private parts?

*mens'

1. What is offensive about that statement?

2. Why do presenters apologise for something somebody else says?

stereo type ---or is it

keep the job

Almost all of the people watching these racing channels are over 18 anyway.

Surely it should be perceived as a compliment!

fell short of what was required-should have gone "whaheyyy!" with the clenched fist and underarm motion.

Unable to watch the racing today what was said please

Unable to watch the racing today what was said please

Look at my topic title foxy

Oh dear

Foxy, watch it here..

http://liveracinguk.blogspot.co.uk/

ribald humour - can't be having that on telly can we Robert. Sign Mr Ward up for ITV racing.

Got to agree apologising  ffs this is a gambling/racing channel..

Thanks koi keeper

I am one of those hand help computers I don't think those links work I will try again when I get to my destination.

have you finally learnt how to copy and paste jimnast ?!

dont think so timeless with those links don't you just put your finger on them.

I told you before, just Google how to do it, it's very simple

Not to sure about google

when people say Google it, it basically means ask your computer page how to do something,

whatever page you are using, ask it how to copy and paste !

Not even funny ffs.

A vile nasty pathetic throwback who I'd expect to come out with something like that live on tv.

TRAINER Jason Ward faces investigation by the BHA after making comments on AtTheRaces deemed to be racially offensive.

After Monte Cinq made all in the opening 5f maiden at Wolverhampton, Ward was interviewed on the channel and used a racial stereotype while discussing the horse.

After the initial consternation on social media had died down, the BHA's media manager Robin Mounsey said: "We are aware of the incident and will be taking the appropriate steps in relation to this matter.

"There is no place in British racing for racially offensive language and we are taking this matter very seriously."

Monte Cinq was Middleham trainer Ward's first winner since September. The 10-1 chance was getting off the mark at the eighth attempt, having been second at Newcastle a fortnight ago.

Pretty stupid thing to say in this day and age of political correctness irrespective of what anyone thinks.

More pc sh!t. Nothing to see here, move along.

People in authority telling us what we can and can't say, and in turn telling us what we're meant to be offended by.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started...

When you've got yer arse in the air shouting gibberish 5 times a day they'll be happy GEORGE.

BHA are going to investigate - this on the same day that they've written off over a third of the sentences being served by Anthony Knott and Anthony Callow for misuse of inside information because they are too incompetent to correctly administer their own disciplinary procedures and believe it would be a waste of time and money to try and reapply those procedures correctly.

Yes, I have seen 3 very suspicious rides today...  SP manipulations at Kempton, written off sentences... but lets look into an off the cuff remark where no one is really offended.

I wouldn't have thought the investigation ought to take very long. It isn't as if he can deny making the comments! But I agree I would prefer to see the instituional corruption in the sport being properly dealt with.

I just can't believe anyone would say anything like this these days in front of a reporter, whether you think it's ok as banter is irrelevant, this sort of thing is always going to be blown up massively.

I agree BB - but they don't need any investigation or probe, just a decision to determine whether the remarks are racially offensive or not, then a tariff which automatically applies a fixed penalty for the offence.

The way it's reported by the Racing Post does n't even make it clear which rules he might have broken and what offence he might be charged with.

The BHA opt for a knee jerk reaction to pander to an outcry on social media instead of taking a little time to establish a considered, holistic response.

I'm not defending Ward either - I think the remarks were unfunny, unoriginal, unnecessary and embarrassing. I accept many on here do not find them offensive but there will inevitably be those that do - Linford Christie took umbrage about references to his 'lunchbox' 25 years ago and the world has moved on since then.

this sort of thing is always going to be blown up massively.

I hope they don't think i'm playing on the description

Aye, but soon we're left with a world where everyone is walking on egg shells.

BHA will be charging you too striding

Linford Christie took umbrage about references to his 'lunchbox' 25 years ago and the world has moved on since then.

So did Alan Wells.

If ya parade yer c0ck in skin tight lycra you can't complain.

ReaseHeath - they will charge him under that rule - conduct prejudicial to the reputation and good conduct of racing.  You know, the one they got Best on.   Perhaps they'll get that same bloke to preside over the enquiry.

saddo

If ya parade yer c0ck in skin tight lycra you can't complain.

Come on guys were better than this. Benny Hill died in 1992 FFS ... time to grow up!

^
An example of these c*nts who think they can dictate what people can or can't laugh at. If you don't mind, I'll laugh at what I choose, so f*ck off.

I was watching an interview from the 1980s with Hal Roach (who was ? 90 at the time) and he was asked who he thought was the funniest of the current day comedians. I was expecting him to name an American, but no, he named Benny Hill, albeit he acknowledged Benny was a bit on the 'dirty' side!

George - You are entirely free to laugh or not at what you want, and I sympathise with your wish.

This is not about that though, it is about what you can say, in public, on line, in correspondence etc. Here of course you can still choose, but there are rules, many enshrined in law.  Just a question of where you choose to draw your line.

Have you seen the viewing figures for Benny Hill clips on Youtube - literally millions, his theme tune alone has around 20m.

Here's one of his clips, with 'just' the 6 million...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJC4HvpWewM

People still want to watch and laugh at Benny Hill, regardless what of lordnoise and his PC pals think!

I was watching a documentary about French pop / music the other night on BBC4 and I was surprised Claude Francois didn't get more of a mention. A bit like Benny, he liked nothing more than to surround himself on stage with scantily-clad women. Apparently he was a big star in France in his day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rulKCQgAVpU

People in authority telling us what we can and can't say, and in turn telling us what we're meant to be offended by.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started...

A statement so wrong on every level that even if it's fishing (which it surely must be) should be explained georgey boy!

Sorry if went over your head, spyker, it was meant Basil Fawlty style, the famous quote about people sticking their noses in, poking around for things to complain about, this is exactly...

Mind you, daren't even quote Fawlty Towers nowadays, they've even chopped that scene with the Major!

The country has gone mad, who the feck was actually offended by his comment?

The BHA should get its' own house in order before going after a trainer and having an investigation into this pathetic episode.

Can Mr Ward say the next time he has a winner..


'He's got a tongue like chavmans hampton wick' for balance please ?....


Presuming, of course that chavman is ''chalky!!!!!''

The trainer has apologised on his website to anyone who was offended, stating that his comments were in no way meant to be racist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/37841808

Jeez, the worlds gone completely mad ! 

It's very simple really - it doesn't matter that it is a racing channel. Daytime tv is available to be watched by people of all ages and therefore everything on it has to be acceptable to everyone and not likely to offend - irrespective of colour etc. It is different for subbed channels i think. Look at all the warnings/reaction they give on those tosh morning shows when they discuss anything like this.
If you are happy for people to talk about men's knackers in relation to horses anatomy in front of your 3yo grandchild (and introduce a race element into it for good measure) then fair do's. I suggest you do it loudly in a room full of children and see the reaction on their and their parent's faces. Good luck with that.

Surely it's just a phallusy anyway

He used the words "private parts", personally I would be shocked if your 3YO grandchild understood what he meant by that. I dread to think what you've been teaching your grandchildren, spyker.

Perhaps the solution is not to have 'live' interviews and only show pre-recorded ones that won't offend!

The man has apologised, I suggest we all (including the BHA) move on.

Not enough use of the term 'Lady Garden' either, in my opinion.

But maybe this is a new trend in racing, hot on the heels of the Aussie jock last week who said he had a raging horn in a post-race interview.

That's because most of em have no lawn these days, Johnny.

*Good old aceform was a fan of "the sod".

I must admit, the older I get the more I'm turning into Mary Whitehouse (and not just cuz I'm sat here wearing a flowery skirt and pink blouse), but curtails on freedom of speech worries me!

Saddo

I'm furious that he is implying that a white one is any less tasty

^ allegedly

thought police soon!

Surely it's a compliment - a long thick tongue or am I missing something. It might be offensive but not racially offensive. God I hate this world these days. Everybody gets 'offended' by everything.

I agree with you all in that the world has gone mad but I will counter it by saying if you look at the definition of racism it says that as soon as you suggest a member of another race has something different about them then that is deemed as racism. For me I always thought that racism had to be derogatory but it seems that by insinuating a different race has a characteristic exclusive to that race then that is enough.
Again though BHA picks on the little guy

Ward made a stupid comment. He is entitled to make an ass of hinmself, just as a woman would if saying all men are rapists. Stereotyping is never justified.

If certain people were insulted,then surely it's up to them to complain. What I dislike is when people take offence
on behalf of someone else .

I take offence at that kind of logic on here (on behalf of those that are offended, once I've stated that I find it offensive, on their behalf obviously)

Does that mean I have to be offended now, or can I just pretend to be like all the hand wringers?

Be offended saddo ffs ya ****

I do think his comments were ignorant but I don't believe there was any malice in them. It doesn't make it right but the BHA needs to be consistent. I recall a trainer using a worse racist phrase (in my opinion) on television and I don't recall any action being taken against him at the time.

spyker, good evening .


Utter tosh mate .

God, how I hate political correctness with a passion !

we nae pay the poll tax hal

wow just shows you how "they" are watching us mate when we see the adverts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsr9HCOgQe0

any excuse to play it but its true bluuuuuuueeeeeee

#just for therecordspent£800onanewone

laptop that is  and Argos were all over me (disclaimer -other stuff bought as well )

No action was taken against Mick Easterby that time when he was interviewed on t/v and he said about someone, you've made a cu*t of me once you'll not do it again.

Ward fined £1,200 for 'offensive' comment
By jon lees 4:16PM 17 NOV 2016

MIDDLEHAM trainer Jason Ward escaped with a fine on Thursday for his use of a racial stereotype in a TV interview he gave after saddling a winner at Wolverhampton earlier this month.

Ward was fined £1,200 by a BHA disciplinary panel who found he had brought the sport into disrepute by referencing an "offensive and inappropriate racial connotation" in a comment which was broadcast on At The Races after Monte Cinq's success in a maiden.

The BHA asserted that Ward's outburst led to adverse publicity, including in its reporting on social media, by the BBC and the Racing Post.

It was considered serious enough by the trainer that he immediately apologised to ATR, the Racing Post and his website.

Ward's barrister Roderick Moore said the trainer had been "momentarily unguarded and showed a serious lack of judgement". He accepted that his remarks were "lewd and unprofessional" and there was no intention to cause offence.

A statement on Ward's behalf said: "Jason is pleased that the fine is well below the entry point of £2,000, and also below the level of fines handed down in other recent high-profile cases of a breach of this rule.

"While the Panel will doubtless choose their words carefully, we infer that the reality is that they accepted Jason's case that this unfortunate utterance was the consequence of a momentary lapse of judgement, that he quickly apologised to all and sundry afterwards, that it was not racist in either a legal or any meaningful sense and that it was unlikely to have caused offence to anyone with a sense of humour. "

A lot of pathetic, uncultivated idiots on here. Frightening. Ward's comment was a completely gratuitous racial stereotype. Today is the first I've heard of it, and I came on here after reading the RP report as I thought this was the best place to find out what was said. I was shocked and disgusted when I saw it. I totally sympathise with those sad individuals amongst you who want to make jokes or laugh at jokes like that in your own homes, but I don't want to listen to that sort of inexcusable ignorance on my tv and I am relieved that is was deemed worthy of punishment. This is not PC gone crazy, it's a rational, fair minded intolerance of crass, moronic insensitivity. I am amazed some of you have managed to acquire the skills to use a computer. Well done. Benny Hill!!?? Whatever.

I love it when the 'holier than thou' brigade show it

I just thought there had to be a retort to all the apologists for ignorance on here. Let's all say whatever we want and not care who might be offended by it? Great basis for a civilised society, that. Surprised you haven't mentioned Jeremy Clarkson and the Duke of Edinburgh as the last bastions of all things decent.

I haven't mentioned anything, but I wasn't offended by what he said, though it's not something I would ever say myself.

If you're offended by it, that's fair enough, but don't think you can tell me what I should be thinking or saying.

Ah, England in the 70s. Bless This House, Benny Hill, bananas being thrown from the terraces ... why did we have to let those PC people ruin it all, eh?

So apparently Ward has been given a fine well below the entry level by the BHA, and seemingly hasn't broken any laws, so it would be hard to describe his 'punishment' as anything other than a token one by an authority who wants to be seen to be doing the 'right thing', and that's fair enough.

So just because I don't share the same view of what was said by Ward as Howellsy does, let's take a look at what he has said about me and others:

"A lot of pathetic, uncultivated idiots on here...I am amazed some of you have managed to acquire the skills to use a computer"

Charming...

Howellsey is the offensive one, only he doesn't realise it as he's so wrapped up in his self-righteousness

The personal insults were pointless and I apologise for them. I was just so shocked by the majority being seemingly unfazed by all this. I live in a world where just about everyone I know personally would have rightly lost their jobs if making that comment while going about their professional duties. Can you name any high profile job within sport where the price for such a comment would have been less than an instant sacking?

How do you sack a self-employed person? You may argue that the BHA should have given him a tougher punishment, but he argued what he said wasn't racist, nor was it intended to be, and he has apologised for what he said.

You take their licence away so they can't bring the sport into disrepute again, but, going by what his lawyers said, that wouldn't have been an option. Shame.

What was wrong with Bless this house?Think you may be getting confused with Love Thy Neighbour.

You're right Rory - just checked it out. Cheers for putting me right on that.

Someone having their livelihood taken away for saying something off the cuff that may not be to everyone's taste? I would say that's a going a bit too far. I would even question whether a fine is appropriate when a warning would have sufficed (imo).

I was shocked and disgusted when I saw it. Were you really, if I was a black man I would be laughing. What exactly is offensive about it? Of course he shouldn't have said it, but I honestly don't see who it actually offended or how.

Ah, England in the 70s. Bless This House, Benny Hill, bananas being thrown from the terraces - his remark is exactly the same comparison as this....


Can you name any high profile job within sport where the price for such a comment would have been less than an instant sacking? Plenty of footballers for starters. Proven for what would be classed as proper racial slurring etc.


You seem to be the type of person who goes on youtube to find a video of Bernard Manning just to watch it so you can be "disgusted" by it and make comments and slate anyone who dares to have a laugh at any of it.

What will you do if the hattrick pops up with Le Pen getting in?

In my opinion, there's not really that much of a gap between the private parts comment and making monkey noises from the terraces which black footballers had to endure just a few decades ago, and which lots of people presumably deemed amusing. It's a sliding scale. You might as well defend the monkey chants on the basis that a lot of people like monkeys so what exactly is the problem? Instead of me having to explain why it is offensive, why can't someone explain to me what is amusing about stereotyping black men by penis size and why is it acceptable to perpetuate this stereotype?

"If I was a black man" ... how generous of you to make such a small imaginative leap
"footballers for starters" ... yep, gotta give you that one. Strengthens my argument doesn't it?
"Le Pen" - what made you think of Le Pen by reading this thread then?

In my opinion, there's not really that much of a gap between the private parts comment and making monkey noises from the terraces which black footballers had to endure just a few decades ago - If that is what you (or anyone) actually think I am astounded. In my opinion if you asked a black man if making monkey noises at him was on the same level as saying he was stereotyped as having a massive penis, I would be pretty sure he would be looking at you startled. How you even think that is comparable is ridiculous (imo).

I would honestly be amazed if any black men were offended by his comments at all.

"footballers for starters" ... yep, gotta give you that one. Strengthens my argument doesn't it? - No it is the complete opposite of your argument, you asked someone to name any high profile job in sport where someone wouldn't have got an instant sacking, Luis Suarez never along with many high profile footballers/sportsmen.

"Le Pen" - what made you think of Le Pen by reading this thread then? - you did, because you sound like a typical left wing do gooder, and seem to think everyone has to be offended by any comment that is deemed controversial. I still do not see what point of his comment was offensive.

It was a very stupid thing to say but are they all going to have to pass a pc test when applying for a trainers license? The habit of interviewing every owner, trainer and jockey before and after each race is bound to lead to this sort of thing occasionally.
Many years ago I was on a training day for spokespersons for the NFU and it was made very clear to me that if asked for an interview on behalf of the Union, I had to toe the party line and on no account say what I really thought. Perhaps all trainers should be made to do the same.

I'm still trying to work out how the BHA can summon up the nerve to accuse somebody else of 'bringing racing into disrepute'.

post race interview to follow ..

i never thought it was a racist comment.

So i asked a black friend if he thought it was.

He laughed and said "no, because you know its true bro" and just laughed giving me a fist bump.

We have to be careful with this racism and calling everything up, as people get fed up with it and we have to tackle the true racism that we see such as the monkey chants, bannana throwing etc which is dispicable and needs to be clamped down on hard. Putting trivial comments in the same bracket is crazy and doesnt help trying to stamp out real racism.