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11 Sep 16
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Yes in my opinion (slightly biased as I backed him). Looked to be travelling really well before he fell and was moving into contention with the leaders. With all due respect to the winner, he's surely different class and would have stayed the trip easily in that field.
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Impossible to say at the point the horse fell - certainly going well enough & might have simply ran away from the field but would he have stayed on as the extra 2 furlongs is a long way & I still have doubts - unfortunate that we didn't get the chance to find out yesterday but at least horse & jockey not badly hurt
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no [dont spoil it for Laura!]
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Delta, in part I agree. If Idaho wasn't going to win, then i'm happy that Laura and her team won their first classic, although I very much doubt she read my posts
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Yes, using Housesofparliament as a guide and all things being equal but well done to Harbour Law and connections.
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he was 8 to 11 pre race because of stamina doubts and was probably the same price when he fell nothing was proven either way, but the way the winner stayed on you,d have had to say he,d have needed to stay every yard
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if you new idaho was going to fall pre race ,the gosden horse would have been 8 to 11 and beaten out of sight, not withstanding pulled to hard etc
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Bit like asking if Devon Loch would have won ....... it didn't and we will never really know .
And yes , I did have moey running on it cos I thought it should have been 1/3  |
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Looked a good thing before the race and almost certainly would have won. He's in a different league to Houses of Parliament. Obviously we'll never know for sure but everything about him and how the race panned out said he'd win.
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No doubt in my mind Idaho would've won. He was moving forward easily into contention, about two lengths ahead of the winner, when the inexplicable happened. C'est la vie.
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diff league to houses of parliament?that a very loose statement...he got it hard to get by him over 1m4 so based on that if he wasnt an out and out stayer its hard to tell ?
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would have won 5l+.
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Would have won easily imo. The second fav was never going to get home from an early stage. The eventual second/third got into a battle too far out which meant the race fell into the winners lap. I think Idaho would have stalked the second/third and gone by them very easily. Would anyone make Harbour Law favourite over Idaho in a race over the same trip? I doubt it.
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Harzand should have run in the Leger.
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AOB lost the Leger by running their only 100% stayer like a 'scalded cat' at the off (used as a pacesetter), and no wonder he was a spent force 3f out but still managed to finish 5th; the 2nd 'fav' was a spent force too going like the clappers at the off..
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at the point of his fall he was no more a winner than 24 hrs earlier,yet according to those on here we,re talking about a 5,s on shot who,d have hosed on yet has an uneasy 8 to 11 shot with some ev available in the morning,only extra evidence we have regards him staying was that it was a strong gallop,which in normal race gossip would have lessoned his chances of stayin
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He'd settled well and was cruising along. The front 3 finished in a heap including Houses of Parliament whom Idaho beat easily even though nowhere near 100% fit in the Voltigeur. He would almost certainly have won.
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Idaho was in a real state pre- race. He was awash with sweat when he came into the pre parade ring. Shaving foam between his legs so thick it was falling off in dollops. Sweating heavily on his neck and behind his joints.Looked dreadful.Was also expending plenty of energy. He was dried down before leaving the pre parade ring but was awash with sweat again at the stalls. His condition was clearly noticed by connections of other runners in the pre parade ring : plenty of head shaking and wry smiles. There was no chance of him winning. He'd have dropped away before the final furlong if he'd stood up.
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Idaho always sweats up before his races. It hasn't stopped him running very well in his previous races so absolutely nothing to suggest it would have done yesterday.
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think so
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thought he was cantering myself
surprised to read on here yesterday that he was under the cosh and beaten at the time |
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well there are plenty of idiots out there. some muppet tried to tell me even song was thought of as a better filly at ballydoyle than minding. I said whoever told you that must believe in father Christmas as well
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He was going very well right in behind the leaders when Seamie made the decision not to wait and to switch him out for a challenge when he stumbled and unseated....unfortunate.
think he would've cruised into 4 or 5 length lead so just a question whether his stamina would've held up vs Harbour Law. |
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needs a leap of faith to think any pbrien horse would have swept int o a 5L lead in any race this weekend cue order of st george 10,s on
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been a bigger worry if he didn't sweat up,always gets into a state before his races.
done and dusted now well done to winning connections. |
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I think he would have pissed up. Not that that will matter to connections of the winner!
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what a waste of time discussing a hypothetical scenario...DC'S
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all races post race and after are hypothetical,unlucky loser,draw winner withoput a pen etc,etc,its a forum
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It's no more a waste of time than having a pop at people for wasting their time on it, roida.
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i think its a fair topic discuss, one what would been discussed in bookies over the country so why not on here
intersting to read views |
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but not 1 person in the world knows...all worthless discussion.
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but is it? it's also a discussion about would the horse have stayed and therefore could have relevance for future races over a similar distance!
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it was 3f out..how the fcuk would anyone known it it stayed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHOeXIPNZ
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No possible way of knowing whether it would win or not pointless discussion
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All discussion of form is pointless for the in-running mob.
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wel sed dod..sense at last.
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All discussion of form is pointless for the in-running mob
since when has a horse stumbling and unseating before race has begun in earnest been 'form' |