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factmachine
03 Sep 16 10:48
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"HORSE RACING IS WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST FIRMS IS BELOW 10% OF THE TOTAL MARKET SHARE OF BETTING,AND IT IS IN CONTINUES DECLINE" GEOFF YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS BUT I THINK YOU ARE RATHER DISINGENUOUS WITH THIS ONE,THIS "LARGE FIRM"WHOEVER THEY ARE I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS STOP WINNERS ONLINE,WONT LAY A BET BOTH ONLINE AND IN THEIR SHOPS,ON YOUR WAY HOME FROM HAYDOCK CALL INTO ONE OF THEIR SHOPS AND TRY TO GET £300 ON ANY HORSE IN ANY RACE,THEN SCARPER WHEN THEY RING THE POLICE Laugh
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Report the.mad.dog.man September 3, 2016 10:58 AM BST
betting shops dont need horse racing anymore greyhounds sports and machines have sailed past horse racing
Report factmachine September 3, 2016 10:59 AM BST
EXACTLY MY POINT MAD DOG!
Report adamski September 3, 2016 11:14 AM BST
Hardly surprising horse race betting has declined substantially when bookmakers give less and less encouragement to punters to bet on it. Banks needs to wake up and smell the coffee but he is a bookmaker after all.
Report Sportsadvisor September 3, 2016 11:22 AM BST
horse racing in decline-because of horse racing - not because some folk restricted.
Report factmachine September 3, 2016 11:29 AM BST
GEOFF YOU DONT HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT DO YOU,ANYWAY SEE YOU AT HAYDOCK TODAY IF YOU ARE THERE,USUAL SERVICE NO YORKSHIRE PLACE TERMS BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU CAN BE ON,COME RACING Love
Report duncan idaho September 3, 2016 11:38 AM BST
the.mad.dog.man   03 Sep 16 10:58

greyhounds..have sailed past horse racing



Laugh
Report the.mad.dog.man September 3, 2016 11:52 AM BST
the 3 together greyhounds sports machines
Report mmmalushka September 3, 2016 12:08 PM BST
Horse racing attendances have never been bigger,how can you say its in decline.Horse race betting on course is in decline and what does your lot sportsadvisor do about attracting the punters to your joints, offer them Yorkshire ew terms and fractional odds which none of the next generation of punters use or understand.
Report TheFear September 3, 2016 12:11 PM BST
Bookmaker- racing is not so important anymore.

Bookmaker - takes racing from outer mongolia.
Report the.mad.dog.man September 3, 2016 12:37 PM BST
go in the week couple of 100 weekends is for the drunks
Report factmachine September 4, 2016 10:35 AM BST
I WONDER IF IT WILL EVER BE BROUGHT UP ON A RACING CHANNEL HOW THESE BIG "BIG FIRMS" THAT WONT LAY A BET ARE ALLOWED TO MANIPULATE SPS THE CLASSIC BEING TONY MCCOYS SHUT THE FRONT DOOR GRAND NATIONAL WERE 98% OF THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS WERE 10/1 OR BIGGER,SP RETURN 6/1,AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN THAT HORSE RACING IS LESS THAN 10% OF TURNOVER,YOU COULDNT MAKE IT UP!
Report dunlaying September 4, 2016 11:06 AM BST
"Where The Fun Never Stops!"LaughLaughLaugh
Report JohnTerry September 4, 2016 11:33 AM BST
great post. but look out in january. they have another idiot arriving.
Report boingingbaggie September 4, 2016 11:48 AM BST
'kin ****

Crap television.

(Why The Morning Line is in decline)
Report sparrow September 4, 2016 11:56 AM BST
January, February.............who cares about media personalities.
Hayley Turner getting far more postings on here since she became one of them.
Report stewarty b September 4, 2016 12:05 PM BST
Horse racing attendances have never been bigger,how can you say its in decline.



Maybe, but how many punt more than a fiver or tenner a race?
Report stewarty b September 4, 2016 12:07 PM BST
** ie. takings are down in every racecourse. (nap)
Report unbiased September 4, 2016 12:21 PM BST
Having read this thread several times,it appears that bookmakers are not flavour of the month/year,or anytime.Like everyone else on here,apart from bookmakers,I too am a punter of longstanding,and think there is another way of looking at the situation.
  The bad points are continually highlighted,but life has changed drastically over the last couple of decades,and there are many good points,that are presumably taken for granted.(Best odds,bonuses,money back etc.)
    High Street traders(non betting) have increased their markups hugely due to rent increase and business rates increases,giving the public much poorer value.Quality of goods appears to be a thing of the past,unless you are prepared to pay big bucks.
  Of course we all want a good deal,who doesn't,but as said above,life has changed.
If the new generation of punters want to play machines,footie,and other things apart from horseracing,then turnover has to drop,so restrictions become more necessary,and for what it is worth,restrictions aren't a new phenomenon.
   Geoff isn't an idiot,and no,I am not a relation,or close friend,and only know him from the racecourse,but when he states facts that people strongly disagree with,then personal abuse  appears to follow,which is unfair.The whole scenario has greatly changed,and whether we like it,or not,we have to accept that things are what they are.Bookmakers betting unfairly oncourse I will never agree with,and they should be avoided,however Geoff doesn't come into that group.
Report Whistlejacket September 4, 2016 12:27 PM BST
stewarty b, your point - and several other facts - blow the lie bookmakers are wont to spew out clearly out of the water.  It is simply mendacious to treat football and racing as though they are like-for-like, as Mr Banks would like us to believe, in order to make his rather vacuous and bankrupt point.  The clear and irrefutable fact is a cabal of bookmakers - and it would seem Mr Banks is clearly in this camp - DO NOT consider it appropriate or necessary to pay a "FAIR PRICE" for a product they generate huge sums of revenue and profits from and would rather deflect from the point at the heart of the issue, by making spurious and baseless claims. 
In the warped minds of the bookmaker, they would sooner walk into Waitrose or Sainsbury's, pick up a loaf of bread and not have to pay for it, or tell the supermarket what they are willing to pay for it - but would nevertheless would like to have a slice of bread for breakfast. 

The sooner legislation is passed to rectify this anomaly the better - and it is coming, whether bookmakers like it or not.
Report Whistlejacket September 4, 2016 1:21 PM BST
Evidently, the "thought police" object to opinions that differ from their own or might sail somewhere close to the uncomfortable truth, as I see my initial post has been deleted.

"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Report pablo-fanque September 4, 2016 1:27 PM BST
is there a reason why horse racing has not opened its own betting shops ?
Report Whistlejacket September 4, 2016 1:35 PM BST
Pablo-fanque, horseracing could have offered it's own betting product/shops if the government a few years ago hadn't made the grave error of being hood-winked into selling the Tote to BetFred.  There was a perfectly viable alternative which was put forward from within racing.
Report duncan idaho September 4, 2016 1:37 PM BST
who is 'horse racing'?
Report pablo-fanque September 4, 2016 1:54 PM BST
cheers whistle , they fecked up then , they could have collected 100% from a lot of shops instead of 10.25% or whatever the figure is

Duncan , I said horse racing as I was unsure what body or authorisation  ( bha or whoever ) would be able to do so . hope that clears it up for you
Report bruno100 September 4, 2016 2:08 PM BST
Sportsadvisor 03 Sep 16 11:22 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 707 | Blogger: Sportsadvisor's blog
horse racing in decline-because of horse racing - not because some folk restricted.

the great man has lost the plot
Report kavvie September 4, 2016 2:45 PM BST
Sportsadvisor 03 Sep 16 11:22 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 707 | Blogger: Sportsadvisor's blog
horse racing in decline-because of horse racing - not because some folk restricted.

this is quite the most ridiculous statement ive ever seen posted here...and im surprised by the contributor who posted it..in fact i wouldnt be surprised if it was a hoax given its stupidity?

so many of my friends who were regular  punters  have given up because of restrictions.in fact ive not bothered with"recreational betting" in a while.if i dont get the call or text i wont bet.

restrictions are the main  big reason why racing is in decline...end of story..
Report bruno100 September 4, 2016 2:52 PM BST
Trust me it's not the most ridiculous statement it is one of many This idiot has made
Report OVERSEAS September 4, 2016 3:47 PM BST
Cant be long before ITV come calling if Hayley and Fitzy are on the roster...
Report Facts September 5, 2016 12:00 AM BST
bruno100    04 Sep 16 14:52 
Trust me it's not the most ridiculous statement it is one of many This idiot has made



Let's hope ITV don't give the attention seeking prat airtime
Report factmachine September 5, 2016 8:59 AM BST
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYONE ON A RACING CHANNEL OR IN THE RACING POST THAT WILL BE ALLOWED TO TELL THE TRUTH REGARDING THE ONLINE BLUFFERS AND SO CALLED "BIG FIRMS"
Report factmachine September 5, 2016 8:59 AM BST
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYONE ON A RACING CHANNEL OR IN THE RACING POST THAT WILL BE ALLOWED TO TELL THE TRUTH REGARDING THE ONLINE BLUFFERS AND SO CALLED "BIG FIRMS"
Report bruno100 January 9, 2017 3:18 PM GMT
The disaffected, numbering 50% (B), a group whose numbers rise annually and constitute the biggest moaners in Racing. Escapees from the Betfair forum, sitting in their underpants at home whining about getting on.



escapees from betfair lol yet he still post his drivel
Report GLASGOWCALLING January 9, 2022 1:25 PM GMT
ttt.
Report chavman January 9, 2022 1:42 PM GMT
Sportsadvisor03 Sep 16 11:22
horse racing in decline-because of horse racing - not because some folk restricted.


err ok jeff
Report racing6699 January 9, 2022 4:01 PM GMT
I agree with posts about restrictions. Why most people got into racing was the ability of the sport as an intellectual challenge. You could actually study form, use experience etc... what the bookmakers did in the last 4-6 years particularly is say this reason for entering the game is not allowed (regardless of whether you won and the fact we have over rounds in your favour etc..) You almost couldn't or cant fail to fall into their traps that are justifications to shut you down. Take an early price and it moves - GONE - Take a lower price and keep getting paid at BOG - GONE - Take an antepost mover - GONE - Take a market mover - GONE - Beat them on their shittty slow In running odds - GONE - Take a top price - GONE - Use oddschecker betslip - GONE - Use your PC not mobile - GONE - dont take offers (obbviously shrewd) - GONE Take offers  (bonus abuser) - GONE So the issue is most punters fall into one or more of these - and why not? and so most punters get gubbed pretty quickly. Literally the only people left are people who bet £1 -£5 bets or just complete mugs. Complete mugs now cant bet as they have all the Responsible gambling checks on them - so what is left? Nothing really. A sport that will die off soon as a betting proposition.
Report The Management January 9, 2022 4:21 PM GMT
It must be hard for them these days - they have to pretend that they don't want to fleece degenerate addicts - when in reality the only thing they are interested in, is fleecing degenerate addicts. They have to pretend they take bets, when in reality they just want you to get addicted to fruit machines and roulette.

Nearly all of them - not just the newest names but also some of the great names from the past - are now just a front for on-line casinos, slots and bingo. Bookmaking is dead, they have been reduced to enticing half-wits to try to get 5 leprechauns/rainbows/pots of gold to land in a straight line!
Report racing6699 January 9, 2022 4:33 PM GMT
TM - i dont think they care whether its sport or casino as long as you are a degenerate. However you are right their goals are embarrassing with their advertising and when the fun stops etc... whilst at the same time stopping anyone who does responsibly play (by restricting them) and bombarding the rest with casino offers. this is the irony for me that nobody talks about. Everything in their PR is about how they want sustainable responsible gamblers and that is what they are investing in an doing - whilst actually if they have and create responsible gamblers they have no business - so its all BS - yet unfortunately so few of the general public see it and see them for what they are. I honestly hope the tote stages a bit more of a comeback as the online bookmakers no are on borrowed time in uk now. They did it to themselves as well
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! January 9, 2022 4:36 PM GMT
Entain CEO has said today their in the
ENTERTAINING business
She must be
NUTS

Devil
Report racing6699 January 9, 2022 4:45 PM GMT
its hilarious PR imo - playing to governments and regulators who dont have enough info to make up their own minds on who these companies really are. Gambling is now 'Gaming' - 'Entertainment'  - and the old recent chestnut of (we are) 'Tech' businesses - all PR cleverly spun to make it like playing a video game or something. Cool
Report The Management January 9, 2022 5:00 PM GMT
Betfair stated a long time ago that they were a "tech business" BlushLaugh

Ironic, given that at 3pm most Saturdays in those days, it was more like a lottery company! So they were a "tech company" that "went down" more often than Joan Collins!
Report BULLET TOOTH TONY January 9, 2022 5:01 PM GMT
That's harsh on Joan Collins
Report The Management January 9, 2022 5:06 PM GMT
Fair play Tony - I'll take it back - she has probably slowed down a bit these past 60 years!
Report GEORGE.B January 9, 2022 6:04 PM GMT
The Magician has been getting involved on twitter.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps January 9, 2022 7:40 PM GMT
all his tweets have vanished.
Report GEORGE.B January 9, 2022 8:03 PM GMT
Just like that?
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