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It really saddens me that they will soon find out what they've voted for and rest assured they'll be worse off.Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.Many solid Englishmen have been conned by Farage and co and if they had another chance to vote there would be a majority to remain.
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You've been denying they said it, ffs.
I asked where they had said it?
Again, you're making things up that haven't been said.
I asked where they had said it?
Again, you're making things up that haven't been said.
"Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.".....SKY NEWS
That's a suggestion, not a pledge from someone not in a position to deliver it.
That's a suggestion, not a pledge from someone not in a position to deliver it.
''Where's the punishment budget that predicted taxes up and spending slashed?''
Also:
Recession within two years
3.6 contraction in GDP.
Higher inflation.
House prices to fall by 10%
500,000 jobs lost.
The Business Secretary would endorse none of it
Anything to say about that lot?
Also:
Recession within two years
3.6 contraction in GDP.
Higher inflation.
House prices to fall by 10%
500,000 jobs lost.
The Business Secretary would endorse none of it
Anything to say about that lot?
Jun 26, 2016 -- 6:29PM, Ron Pillock wrote:
Huge shock coming to white working class brexit votersWhat sort of idiot singles out White working class voters?Does he really think that black and Asian voters all are remain?Second generation immigrants are some of the most enthusiastic leave voters.
The west midlands was a very big out vote, if Farage had not butted in with his brand of racism it would for sure have been an even bigger out vote. Hope you can see the logic?
The "united" kingdom still fighting each other, way after the pointless battle!
And to think these clowns point the finger at us in Ireland.
It seems even the winning faction "Leave" cannot even agree on what they write on their silly battlebus. The other side, equally awash with well-paid professional politicians cannot even find a leader.
And, now that there's nobody left to scapegoat and blame for failure, nobody is in any hurry to actually take the plunge and get on with getting out.
What a shower of frauds altogether!
All are a discredit to their country and should stop meddling in Ireland and Scotland; they cannot even run their own place.
What are they waiting for now?
I'd guess that immigration ( seems to be what most folk thought the vote was about) is already on the increase, only days after this silly, wasteful, referendum.
Whose idea was it anyway?
I'm beginning to think there's nothing to worry about as our next prime minister might well decide not to give notice to the EU so we just continue as before.
This kind of thread / tosh is to be expected. The media was well behind the remain campaign and we are getting the consequential detritus. I think it's worth remembering, this was one time the sheep didn't follow the nonsense
If you think the will of a nation can be ignored carte blanche and the outcome ignored then you are even more stupid than I thought you to be.
The scare mongering by the remain camp was no more than the knowledge that the market would take a drop if
Brexit won.( Speculators were to blame for that drop, not Brexit.)
Their concerns were purely personal.They have had huge amounts wiped off their stocks and shares.To
them,that's a disaster. Poor things.Let them eat humble pie I say!
The markets will recover and the speculators will profit again.
Even after the people have spoken,the scare mongers are still at it.
And as for the people signing the petition for another referendum they have shown their true colours:
democracy be damned!
Brexit won.( Speculators were to blame for that drop, not Brexit.)
Their concerns were purely personal.They have had huge amounts wiped off their stocks and shares.To
them,that's a disaster. Poor things.Let them eat humble pie I say!
The markets will recover and the speculators will profit again.
Even after the people have spoken,the scare mongers are still at it.
And as for the people signing the petition for another referendum they have shown their true colours:
democracy be damned!
The scare mongering by the remain camp was no more than the knowledge that the market would take a drop if
Brexit won.( Speculators were to blame for that drop, not Brexit.)
Their concerns were purely personal.They have had huge amounts wiped off their stocks and shares.To
them,that's a disaster. Poor things.Let them eat humble pie I say!
The markets will recover and the speculators will profit again.
Even after the people have spoken,the scare mongers are still at it.
And as for the people signing the petition for another referendum they have shown their true colours:
democracy be damned!
Brexit won.( Speculators were to blame for that drop, not Brexit.)
Their concerns were purely personal.They have had huge amounts wiped off their stocks and shares.To
them,that's a disaster. Poor things.Let them eat humble pie I say!
The markets will recover and the speculators will profit again.
Even after the people have spoken,the scare mongers are still at it.
And as for the people signing the petition for another referendum they have shown their true colours:
democracy be damned!
For those with no historic knowledge of what life was like before Bevan the NHS etc, this video will be of much education, and teach you the direction that the capitalists sending us back too.
https://youtu.be/-ywP8wjfOx4
https://youtu.be/-ywP8wjfOx4
The country will kick out Coldplay from Glasto next - hopefully
"The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with faith to fight for it" -AneurinBevan
"Eine Nation kann nicht frei werden und zugleich weiterhin andere Nationen zu unterdrücken"
I think it's worth remembering, this was one time the sheep didn't follow the nonsense
Same sheep, different nonsense followed - and the remain 'scaremongering' hasn't been proved wrong yet as we've had 1 days of trading where sharp falls were recorded. Give it a few days, then see if leadership is called for and what the result of that is. This week will go a long way to deciding how this all goes.
Same sheep, different nonsense followed - and the remain 'scaremongering' hasn't been proved wrong yet as we've had 1 days of trading where sharp falls were recorded. Give it a few days, then see if leadership is called for and what the result of that is. This week will go a long way to deciding how this all goes.
-spyker- of course there will be falls, it's probably going off the cliff tomorrow as people panic about "uncertainty", but is that a bad thing? Is it a bad thing that house prices might fall a bit? Is it bad that bankers might come off a pink cloud that made them richer and us all poorer? Will it be bad that that lots of Europeans consider moving somewhere else other than Britain?
Here in Birmingham , we are preparing with some pre-arrange self-inflicting training - https://youtu.be/48E0H-WBuBY BRING IT ON
Spock - from a purely selfish point of view i don't give a damn if there is an almighty crash and we have a complete redistribution of wealth a la Russia 1917! We are always being told by the right that everything should be run like a business, well are you seriously telling me that a business as 'healthy' as the U.K atm would make a decision to relocate or suchlike?
There are certain circumstances when a business could pull off something like this without a warchest - good, clean lines of credit or a charismatic leader perhaps - but we have maxed the overdaft to pay the loans and I don't rate this leadership at all. We are barely out of recovery and i can see the dirge of the last few years going on for generations if we are not careful.
If we are going to do it the lets go the whole hog and build a capitalist economy with social democracy and meritocracy at it's heart and if i thought for 1 second something like that was on the cards then I'd be right behind it. You know as well as i do that is not what is going to happen, nothing like it.
There are certain circumstances when a business could pull off something like this without a warchest - good, clean lines of credit or a charismatic leader perhaps - but we have maxed the overdaft to pay the loans and I don't rate this leadership at all. We are barely out of recovery and i can see the dirge of the last few years going on for generations if we are not careful.
If we are going to do it the lets go the whole hog and build a capitalist economy with social democracy and meritocracy at it's heart and if i thought for 1 second something like that was on the cards then I'd be right behind it. You know as well as i do that is not what is going to happen, nothing like it.
Spyker, what are you talking about? I don't believe you are referring to this vote in the same sense as the 1917 revolution, but doesn't it occur to you that a certain downsizing wouldn't be beneficial to the UK in the long run? The country has lived off inflated, non-coherent investment for many years which has made life increasingly unsustainable and uncomfortable for the indigenous people of the country
Have's and haves not's, Please respect this was a democratic vote despite the bias media and a poor lorry load of celebs, Big gob Geldof a real traitor, Irish man NOT! Takes the knighthood from the very system which oppressed the Irish for 800 years and does after dinner speeches' at the sun newspaper for £50 grand a gig, what a man! Get it in to your heads people have had enough of being run by money men and London, racism does not always come into this debate and vote...... Victory for working class people.... Come north and see the effects of being in Europe....
Dr Crippen 26 Jun 16 18:52
"Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.".....SKY NEWS
That's a suggestion, not a pledge from someone not in a position to deliver it.
And yet how many of the voters more used to voting for Big Brother or the X-Factor were actually aware of that?
I've even seen a video of one girl who voted out in the "referyendum" to use her word there, who now thinks she can't go to Disneyland Paris.
"Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.".....SKY NEWS
That's a suggestion, not a pledge from someone not in a position to deliver it.
And yet how many of the voters more used to voting for Big Brother or the X-Factor were actually aware of that?
I've even seen a video of one girl who voted out in the "referyendum" to use her word there, who now thinks she can't go to Disneyland Paris.
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I'm beginning to think there's nothing to worry about as our next prime minister might well decide not to give notice to the EU so we just continue as before
Listening to this morning's news last night's comment appears spot on.
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I'm beginning to think there's nothing to worry about as our next prime minister might well decide not to give notice to the EU so we just continue as before
Listening to this morning's news last night's comment appears spot on.
Will they Offer Cameron a huge Euro carrot to renage on the deal?
Interesting that Boris says the only thing that will change is our adherence to EU law.
By saying that Brits will still be able to live and work in Europe implies that free movement of people won't be affected if he's leader, though I doubt he'd be elected on that ticket as it doesn't strike the xenophobic note that most leavers voted for.
As has been remarked many times; those who voted to leave have no idea what the result of that vote will be.
By saying that Brits will still be able to live and work in Europe implies that free movement of people won't be affected if he's leader, though I doubt he'd be elected on that ticket as it doesn't strike the xenophobic note that most leavers voted for.
As has been remarked many times; those who voted to leave have no idea what the result of that vote will be.
Boris is a pragmatic politician and has no difficulty in making u turns.The fact he's already rowing back bodes well to me that nothing much will change.Would imagine this will end with the UK having a tailored relationship with Europe which satisfies both parties. A great political advantage of this is that UKIP will remain as a relevant party thus diluting the north of Watford labour vote;keeping Scotland in the UK and strengthening the Conservative party.
I'm feeling so much better about this especially hope Corbyn keeps his job.
I'm feeling so much better about this especially hope Corbyn keeps his job.
Think that's rather rose-tinted, posy.
Agree with what you say about Boris, but the tories won't elect someone promoting "leave but not really".
And even Boris will have to come out with some election platform; he can't just keep waffling on forever.
As for wanting UKIP to remain relevant, even as a die hard tory, you surely realise that we need an effective opposition in this country?
Agree with what you say about Boris, but the tories won't elect someone promoting "leave but not really".
And even Boris will have to come out with some election platform; he can't just keep waffling on forever.
As for wanting UKIP to remain relevant, even as a die hard tory, you surely realise that we need an effective opposition in this country?
cyclops the great majority of the parliamentary conservative party wanted to remain so a 'leave but not really' prime minister could be just the ticket.I'm not a great Boris fan however I have to admire his skill at seamlessly changing his colours and suspect he can waffle for quite some time yet.
I certainly don't want an effective opposition until the Tory party has sorted itself out.
I certainly don't want an effective opposition until the Tory party has sorted itself out.
Boris is uncannily like his father, amiable enough but clearly a sandwich short, Tom Sharpe might have invented em.
A national crisis and huge dis-connect in both parties, but at last one of 'em has a plan ! Conservatives have a plot dubbed "ABB" (Anyone But Boris). I like Boris but he is just not responsible enough to be PM, and as cyclops said above, tories won't elect someone promoting "leave but not really"
Boris was the main figure on the leave side and without him the vote would probably have swung the other way, so some tories will want revenge and they will stop him being PM. Although he is odds-on fav with the bookies - but they did get the referendum result dramatically wrong !
Boris was the main figure on the leave side and without him the vote would probably have swung the other way, so some tories will want revenge and they will stop him being PM. Although he is odds-on fav with the bookies - but they did get the referendum result dramatically wrong !
Yes, much ado about nothing.
Capitalism and the big global companies still rule and don't care.
Being asked to choose between two factions of the ruling Con &U party - both called the other "liars" , their words not mine)
was never going to achieve anything good, especially for us in the working class. We always cop the sh ite.
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charcrop:
ye say about the "wishes of a nation".
What about SCOTLAND and IRELAND?
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sPYKER,
Good points, but why not go the whole way and work with us for a new system?
Messing about with capitalism doesn't work. They tried to do that for years, and look where it got us.
England, a rudderless nation ( no leader, no opposition) dictating to the people of Scotland and Ireland.
That's not the way forward.
Capitalism and the big global companies still rule and don't care.
Being asked to choose between two factions of the ruling Con &U party - both called the other "liars" , their words not mine)
was never going to achieve anything good, especially for us in the working class. We always cop the sh ite.
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charcrop:
ye say about the "wishes of a nation".
What about SCOTLAND and IRELAND?
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sPYKER,
Good points, but why not go the whole way and work with us for a new system?
Messing about with capitalism doesn't work. They tried to do that for years, and look where it got us.
England, a rudderless nation ( no leader, no opposition) dictating to the people of Scotland and Ireland.
That's not the way forward.
cyclops, I don't accept that many Brexit voters were xenophobic. Many of us would like to open more of our trade with Brazil, the US, Australia, New Zealand etc. etc. which can't happen inside the EU. My sole reason for voting was to remove the EU commission who will certainly lose their jobs if the move is mirrored in other member states.
sageform,
The Brexit vote was a vote for more self governance and against Brussels ever growing band of unelected bureaucrats and bureaucracy. It's also for free trade. It's not against immigration, but more controls over affairs concerning Britain.
The Brexit vote was a vote for more self governance and against Brussels ever growing band of unelected bureaucrats and bureaucracy. It's also for free trade. It's not against immigration, but more controls over affairs concerning Britain.
Avoiding the issue to say it's not about immigration inho. For some it was just one among many concerns, for others, that's all it was about, ignoring em will bring trouble down the line
You've got to laugh..
A caller on LBC just said he voted leave because he lives with some Hungarians and was "sick of them speaking Hungarian all the time".
A caller on LBC just said he voted leave because he lives with some Hungarians and was "sick of them speaking Hungarian all the time".
If we end up as a member of the EEA in order to retain our rights to the EFTA (which is looking like the most likely outcome at this stage), then at the eventual end of the 'divorce' fromt he EU, we will:
1) Still be paying an annual membership fee to give us access to the EFTA. Though this will undoubtedly be less than we currently pay (£7-9bn/year depending on who you believe), we will still be paying to be in, and the difference will not be being made available to public services (as this is not the Conservative way).
2) Still have to adhere to the majority of (possibly all) EU rules in order to be allowed to have 1), but without a seat at the table or a voice in order to help write these rules
3) Still have to agree to the free movement of labour in order to have 1)
So we are likely to effectively have the same things in place, but with a significantly weakened position within Europe. I would suggest a lot of Brexit voters thought they were voting against some if not all of the above
1) Still be paying an annual membership fee to give us access to the EFTA. Though this will undoubtedly be less than we currently pay (£7-9bn/year depending on who you believe), we will still be paying to be in, and the difference will not be being made available to public services (as this is not the Conservative way).
2) Still have to adhere to the majority of (possibly all) EU rules in order to be allowed to have 1), but without a seat at the table or a voice in order to help write these rules
3) Still have to agree to the free movement of labour in order to have 1)
So we are likely to effectively have the same things in place, but with a significantly weakened position within Europe. I would suggest a lot of Brexit voters thought they were voting against some if not all of the above
It will make such a difference, will only be able to afford smoked salmon 5 days a week now
My next door neighbour is married to a Hungarian lady and they voted out. She dislikes Poles.
When the EU collapses which it will because it's failing system then nobody will have to pay in and stick to rules, I don't mind a downswing while it happens because the big upswing will be worth the wait. It's like a game of poker just a matter of time and it will come when the french get their referendum. Got to love the remain voters hanging onto a 2nd vote only about 1000/1 Keep dreaming.
Keep dreaming.
If the EU is so great why is Brussels so frightened of Brexit contagion?
Why do they feel the need to make an example of Britain to deter others.
Its like a member of a cult leaving. People making their own decisions cannot be allowed in order to maintain control.
Why do they feel the need to make an example of Britain to deter others.
Its like a member of a cult leaving. People making their own decisions cannot be allowed in order to maintain control.
The world is entering a very dangerous phase we need a strong Europe to keep Putin in Russia and that other idiot Trump in America. If europe did break up then putin would annex about half of it. Think in one way it should serve europe well as this has come as a shock and Merkel will have to ensure Europe becomes a democracy. Need a strong Europe either way as Trump, Putin and I have no plans Boris except play cricket will be a disaster.
tim6 the biggest threat to our/everyones world is not Putins Russia it is the good ole USA/Israel alliance we are following them over a cliff,USA have bases/personel in 85 countries world wide isn,t that some sort of threat?,their neo-cons are off the fcuking wall.
Ron - I have come to the conclusion after reading several of your posts ...
You are certainly not a Pillock .....
You are certainly not a Pillock .....
Barney both Trump and Putin are a huge threat and as I said that is why we need a strong Europe eitherway. I think the leave side were duped by that buffoon Boris and it does leave Europe weaker but whats done is done and Europe now needs to get a grip on immigration and be more democratic. But at the end of the day without a strong Europe we are Fxxxd.
"I think the leave side were duped by that buffoon Boris"
Don't be so ridiculous ..........
Have some humility .....
Don't be so ridiculous ..........
Have some humility .....
No Armaguedon then,still here then.
What a surprise, what a load of bollocks people continue to spout.
Sour grapes in my opinion.
What a surprise, what a load of bollocks people continue to spout.
Sour grapes in my opinion.
To say that those who voted for 'Leave' were duped by that buffoon Boris is a clear indication of how smug, arrogant, shallow, lacking ambition and non-progressive some of the 'Remain' voters are.
There's nothing wrong to ask for more self governance and less meddling by the bureaucrats at Brussels who have little or no connection to Britain except personal financial gains and a hunger for power.
Grab this fortuitous opportunity with both hands, look forward and maximise the potentials post an EU exit.
There's nothing wrong to ask for more self governance and less meddling by the bureaucrats at Brussels who have little or no connection to Britain except personal financial gains and a hunger for power.
Grab this fortuitous opportunity with both hands, look forward and maximise the potentials post an EU exit.
Italian government needs to ask EU if they can break the rules and bail out their banks otherwise it's a bail-in for depositors. All because of Brexit.
To say that those who voted for 'Leave' were duped by that buffoon Boris is a clear indication of how smug, arrogant, shallow, lacking ambition and non-progressive some of the 'Remain' voters are.
Leave voters on the politics forum are saying that anyone that voted leave to reduce immigration or because of the £350m lie are 'a new kind of stupid' so go figure.
Leave voters on the politics forum are saying that anyone that voted leave to reduce immigration or because of the £350m lie are 'a new kind of stupid' so go figure.
That's why there is an age requirement that has to met before someone can vote.
They assume that by the age of eighteen most people are able to make a reasonable decision based on the evidence available.
Which is not always the case.
They assume that by the age of eighteen most people are able to make a reasonable decision based on the evidence available.
Which is not always the case.
A said this, B said that, so bleeding what, it is over, deal with it
Deptford,
Indeed, the British people have spoken, accept the verdict and move on....onwards and upwards, infinity and beyond, I say!
Indeed, the British people have spoken, accept the verdict and move on....onwards and upwards, infinity and beyond, I say!
As ever - the (EU) 'Control Freaks' do not like it when people around them are not completely compliant.
Sageform, I'm sure you're not racist or xenophobic.
However, like it or not, you've aligned yourself with every racist in the country. They're all on your side and it will take considerable skill from whoever leads us in the transition to steer a path that will not lead to considerable unrest.
"We voted them out, why haven't they gone?" will become a growing crescendo. UKIP voters will have made up around a third of Leavers and they're not going to quietly retreat.
However, like it or not, you've aligned yourself with every racist in the country. They're all on your side and it will take considerable skill from whoever leads us in the transition to steer a path that will not lead to considerable unrest.
"We voted them out, why haven't they gone?" will become a growing crescendo. UKIP voters will have made up around a third of Leavers and they're not going to quietly retreat.
"ukip voters will have made up around a third of leavers"
so they had around 4 million votes in the GE but 72 million voted leave last week.
maths not your strong point.
so they had around 4 million votes in the GE but 72 million voted leave last week.
maths not your strong point.
The $64k question is....which country will be next to 'Brexit' the EU? Germany, France or Spain? I'd challenge the Prime Minister/Chancellor of these countries to offer a Referendum to his/her citizens like Prime Minister Cameron has done here. This is the beginning of the end of the EU in its current form...au revoir and good luck to those we left behind.
Referendums provide a short cut to tyranny, all thanks to dickhead Dave Cameron
knot in wood; 72 million?
And you say maths isn't MY strong point?
And you say maths isn't MY strong point?
knottty,
""maths not your strong point. """
I fear ye may have scored an incredible own goal, rather like the conservative and unionist party.
The facts are that 36% of those eligible to vote voted LEAVE.
Please revise your statement.
There is more than a touch of the brexit exaggeration about it, I feel.
""maths not your strong point. """
I fear ye may have scored an incredible own goal, rather like the conservative and unionist party.
The facts are that 36% of those eligible to vote voted LEAVE.
Please revise your statement.
There is more than a touch of the brexit exaggeration about it, I feel.
So instead of waffling about the vote which is done and dusted. lets see what we would do now with the country!!
I for one would bring back National service to all teenagers at the age of 18 after finishing school for 2 years so they all have a work Ethic, Respect and hopefully a great start in life after.
I for one would bring back National service to all teenagers at the age of 18 after finishing school for 2 years so they all have a work Ethic, Respect and hopefully a great start in life after.
So instead of waffling about the vote which is done and dusted. lets see what we would do now with the country!!
I for one would bring back National service to all teenagers at the age of 18 after finishing school for 2 years so they all have a work Ethic, Respect and hopefully a great start in life after.
I for one would bring back National service to all teenagers at the age of 18 after finishing school for 2 years so they all have a work Ethic, Respect and hopefully a great start in life after.
Ah, following the Brexiters yearning for Spitfires and Botham's Ashes, we can now retreat ever further into the past.
Respect, deference, forelock tugging; should we add corporal punishment and retract the vote for women?
The younger generation, of which I've fathered four, are light years ahead of the oldies in their attitudes and work ethic and its just a shame they've been dumped upon by the selfish and insular older generation who won't be around to bother about the long term consequences.
Respect, deference, forelock tugging; should we add corporal punishment and retract the vote for women?
The younger generation, of which I've fathered four, are light years ahead of the oldies in their attitudes and work ethic and its just a shame they've been dumped upon by the selfish and insular older generation who won't be around to bother about the long term consequences.
will be 71 million in 50 years time...well done sean glad someone noticed my deliberate mistake.
Robbie has just made my dad a happy man - which is almost impossible! He (who did national service) said it won't be long before (I won't use the exact word) will be going on about bringing back national service, some of which he loved and some he didn't. Most who say 'bring it back' didn't do it, just missing out and regret it so much that they forgot to join the army when they could anyway.
It was firmly of it's time and it would be ridiculous to bring it back today anything like it was with so many reasons why not - 1 being cost as money is going to be a bit tight for a while and there isn't going to be much investment (with)in the U.K it would seem. Although arming the youth could have some advantages if the inter generational war really kicks off!
It was firmly of it's time and it would be ridiculous to bring it back today anything like it was with so many reasons why not - 1 being cost as money is going to be a bit tight for a while and there isn't going to be much investment (with)in the U.K it would seem. Although arming the youth could have some advantages if the inter generational war really kicks off!
Interesting points, rob, spyke, and cyclops.
Except for abuse by the ruling classes, I think a couple of years in something like the Civil Defence ( Ireland) would certainly do a lot of good for youngsters.
There's too much mollycoddling nowadays, imo.
My grandkids in Switzerland ( an awful place for regimentation) have to knuckle under from an early age; their spiele -gruppe starts age FOUR, and they have to learn to WALK to school on their own; have to put on and take off their coats on their own; have to walk in the forest whatever the weather.
It certainly toughens them up.
Unlike cyclops, I see a weakening in the species with the modern generation. Although food, opportunities, and information availability are far more widespread today,
the decline of the old hungry fighters to be replaced by a smaller family of spoilt, soft, kids hasn't done us a lot of good, imo.
Spyke makes a good point about how folk periodically try to bring back a long gone past. At extreme times like now, the call for the same old things often goes up: death penalty, smoking in public places, national service, borstals, walled borders, etc etc.
Generally, I think it is difficult to turn back the clocks.
However, we can certainly learn a lot from the past, and, there is a crying need for folk to get back in touch with nature. Denying nature too much leaves us in an awful state.
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knot,
cheers, pal.
A daughter of mine went out with a politician ( I often see the wnkr on tv) and he told the thing they do is just say any old figure when put on the spot.
Most folk haven't a clue about figures. I learnt that when pricing up jobs. Like the head of the Bank of England, they don't know how much a pint of milk costs.
£350 million billion, wasn't it?
Except for abuse by the ruling classes, I think a couple of years in something like the Civil Defence ( Ireland) would certainly do a lot of good for youngsters.
There's too much mollycoddling nowadays, imo.
My grandkids in Switzerland ( an awful place for regimentation) have to knuckle under from an early age; their spiele -gruppe starts age FOUR, and they have to learn to WALK to school on their own; have to put on and take off their coats on their own; have to walk in the forest whatever the weather.
It certainly toughens them up.
Unlike cyclops, I see a weakening in the species with the modern generation. Although food, opportunities, and information availability are far more widespread today,
the decline of the old hungry fighters to be replaced by a smaller family of spoilt, soft, kids hasn't done us a lot of good, imo.
Spyke makes a good point about how folk periodically try to bring back a long gone past. At extreme times like now, the call for the same old things often goes up: death penalty, smoking in public places, national service, borstals, walled borders, etc etc.
Generally, I think it is difficult to turn back the clocks.
However, we can certainly learn a lot from the past, and, there is a crying need for folk to get back in touch with nature. Denying nature too much leaves us in an awful state.
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knot,
cheers, pal.
A daughter of mine went out with a politician ( I often see the wnkr on tv) and he told the thing they do is just say any old figure when put on the spot.
Most folk haven't a clue about figures. I learnt that when pricing up jobs. Like the head of the Bank of England, they don't know how much a pint of milk costs.
£350 million billion, wasn't it?
Sean, do you not see the irony?
"However, we can certainly learn a lot from the past"
Generalising, of course, but the older generation, who lived through the horrors of a divided Europe, appear to have learnt nothing, while the younger generation have grown up accepting multiculturalism as the norm and realising that the xenophobia which so scarred the 20th century should forever be damned.
"However, we can certainly learn a lot from the past"
Generalising, of course, but the older generation, who lived through the horrors of a divided Europe, appear to have learnt nothing, while the younger generation have grown up accepting multiculturalism as the norm and realising that the xenophobia which so scarred the 20th century should forever be damned.
The 'Brexit' vote is not a vote for Farage/Ukip, Boris, anti-multiculturalism or xenophobia but a vote for self governing, against EU bureaucrats/bureaucracy, mega annual EU budget contributions, bailing out other EU weaker economy eg Greece, and free trade. It is not anti immigration either.
Glad you've spelled it out for them impossible123.
Many are more interested in the messenger rather than the message.
Many are more interested in the messenger rather than the message.
That may be true for you impossible but you are in the company of every racist and xenophobe in this country.
The way the more hardcore anti Europeans seem to be brushing the immigration etc issue under the carpet is really quite confusing. Sorry fellers but it aint going anywhere for a generation or 3 now and is only going to get bigger not go away.
We don't know what the laws will be on immigration after we leave or what deals we'll do with the EU over it.
We'll have to wait and see.
UKIP aren't the government or the leave campaigners.
We'll have to wait and see.
UKIP aren't the government or the leave campaigners.
Sorry but it is incredibly naive to think it's just going to go away now and when Biffo gets it together that everybody will forget about it. We stand a very good chance of a traditional English fudge (half price!) and no one is going to be happy. In fact a few will be decidedly less happy than last week and might not be afraid to do something about it.
cyclops,
I'm sorry you felt that way but I can assure you I'm not a Farage or Ukip supporter. On the other hand I#m willing to speak up for myself and my beliefs in 'their' if necessary; I'm not afraid to be in the minority either, and am sorry for your naive perception of everyone who'd voted to 'Leave'.
I have every confidence that Britain will remain strong and prosper post the EU exit.
I'm sorry you felt that way but I can assure you I'm not a Farage or Ukip supporter. On the other hand I#m willing to speak up for myself and my beliefs in 'their' if necessary; I'm not afraid to be in the minority either, and am sorry for your naive perception of everyone who'd voted to 'Leave'.
I have every confidence that Britain will remain strong and prosper post the EU exit.
I wouldn't bother giving an explanation about anything to someone who goes around calling people racists.
As far as I'm concerned they're not worth the trouble.
As far as I'm concerned they're not worth the trouble.
Well I voted leave so according to bitter left wing thugs I am either racist or thick I'll sleep tonight as I am neither but thugs and bullies may not
You must be 1 of the hardcore anti europeans then as they seem to be implying the same thing (more and more so as time goes on) as the left wing thugs judging by some of the views expressed on this forum and others I've read about the brexiteers who voted because of any other reason than the sovereign thing.
The whole 'racist' argument is ridiculous. One predominantly white country wanting to break away from a union of other predominantly white countries is racist?
Makes no sense to me
Makes no sense to me
Jun 28, 2016 -- 11:45PM, The Shiekh wrote:
Well I voted leave so according to bitter left wing thugs I am either racist or thick I'll sleep tonight as I am neither but thugs and bullies may not
.......or deluded or a wishful thinker.
cyclops,
when ye get as old as me against the odds, ye learn that when we are young we don't really know much at all.
We tend to copy what more experienced folk tell us.
That's why we are passionate, full of vigour, blindly impervious to danger, impressionable and adventurous.
Experience can only come from Age. The maturity does help, though when we're young we don't think so.
This is why the natural human society of mankind - family and tribe - has always respected the Elders.
Check it out from Alaska to Zululand. Ye will see that this has historically been the case.
Even in the USA, their plutocracy masquerading as democracy generally ensures that old dudes stand for President.
Never forget, that us ould bggrs were young once, and if like me, we thought we knew it all and we weren't scared to say it. Truth is there's only so any times we can enjoy having our skulls split open by militia and police, etc.
Take it easy, brother, and stick with us!
when ye get as old as me against the odds, ye learn that when we are young we don't really know much at all.
We tend to copy what more experienced folk tell us.
That's why we are passionate, full of vigour, blindly impervious to danger, impressionable and adventurous.
Experience can only come from Age. The maturity does help, though when we're young we don't think so.
This is why the natural human society of mankind - family and tribe - has always respected the Elders.
Check it out from Alaska to Zululand. Ye will see that this has historically been the case.
Even in the USA, their plutocracy masquerading as democracy generally ensures that old dudes stand for President.
Never forget, that us ould bggrs were young once, and if like me, we thought we knew it all and we weren't scared to say it. Truth is there's only so any times we can enjoy having our skulls split open by militia and police, etc.
Take it easy, brother, and stick with us!
Impossible666, sonny,
ye seem to have not thought things through.
Self-determination, if it is your principle, has to apply to everyone.
IRELAND and SCOTLAND voted to remain in the EU.
Why do ye deny our rights and chat about borders?
In the kingdom ye dominate, 33% of those eligible to vote voted like ye for brexit.
I suggest ye refrain from chatting about democracy.
Yes, in your own land, ye should be allowed to brexit if ye wish, but don't be dragging others with ye.
Furthermore, may I point out that
the territory claimed by your rulers that is actually on the continent of EUROPE and nearest to AFRICA ( all those refugees) actually voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.
I refer to Gibraltar.
Do ye now think this place should be given back to SPAIN?
ye seem to have not thought things through.
Self-determination, if it is your principle, has to apply to everyone.
IRELAND and SCOTLAND voted to remain in the EU.
Why do ye deny our rights and chat about borders?
In the kingdom ye dominate, 33% of those eligible to vote voted like ye for brexit.
I suggest ye refrain from chatting about democracy.
Yes, in your own land, ye should be allowed to brexit if ye wish, but don't be dragging others with ye.
Furthermore, may I point out that
the territory claimed by your rulers that is actually on the continent of EUROPE and nearest to AFRICA ( all those refugees) actually voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.
I refer to Gibraltar.
Do ye now think this place should be given back to SPAIN?
ye learn that when we are young we don't really know much at all.
We tend to copy what more experienced folk tell us.
Absolutely, we go along with the first one who impresses us, but then shut out all other advice.
I've been on both sides of the political argument, and the hardest people to get to are kids who had made up their minds on hearing just one side of the argument.
They then shut out the other side until they're mature enough to take a balanced view.
They don't make many wise young owls - they're very few and far between.
We tend to copy what more experienced folk tell us.
Absolutely, we go along with the first one who impresses us, but then shut out all other advice.
I've been on both sides of the political argument, and the hardest people to get to are kids who had made up their minds on hearing just one side of the argument.
They then shut out the other side until they're mature enough to take a balanced view.
They don't make many wise young owls - they're very few and far between.
Seems strange that we want to deny the young to have the opportunity to vote and yet when troublesome times arrive we expect the very same young people to fight and defend their countrymen even if it means losing your life should it be necessary and that is termed a patriotic duty - a sense of irony and hyperbole prevails with some of the comments offered - if someone is old enough to fight (and possibly die) for their country they are most certainly old enough to vote for what they believe
Jun 29, 2016 -- 9:28AM, sean rua wrote:
Impossible666, sonny,ye seem to have not thought things through.Self-determination, if it is your principle, has to apply to everyone.IRELAND and SCOTLAND voted to remain in the EU.Why do ye deny our rights and chat about borders?In the kingdom ye dominate, 33% of those eligible to vote voted like ye for brexit.I suggest ye refrain from chatting about democracy. Yes, in your own land, ye should be allowed to brexit if ye wish, but don't be dragging others with ye.Furthermore, may I point out that the territory claimed by your rulers that is actually on the continent of EUROPE and nearest to AFRICA ( all those refugees) actually voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.I refer to Gibraltar. Do ye now think this place should be given back to SPAIN?
If the Scottish people were so adamant they wanted to stay in Europe, then they should have made it clear and forfeited their vote. Likewise many in England and Wales would enjoy free prescriptions, can we have some equality, please!
Give up ya benefits supply ya own taxes. Go on then.
HSBC have written saying my branch is closing, great opportunity to trim some fat and blame Brexit. I'm sure others will follow their lead.
You didn't get many 50+ people following Jim Jones. Old people are too wise to drink the kool aid.
They are trying to cause a revolt saddo, the media, etc, how fecking weak have they already made this country look? untold damage.
You cannot have a Eu set up with inequality of rights, and we have that now, ffs the Greeks are skint, different currencies, this country as refused to have the euro, it is counter productive to stay on the outskirts even, they may try and form new fringe agreements, but come on, look at Scotland and their free prescriptions, we can't get equality on this island how the feck can 30 nations ever work it out?
Now the MPs are threatened with losing potential EU jobs for themselves of the future, they are attempting to reverse a referendum it at all costs , ffs and they think the public can't see through it?
john,
I think ye will remember DODGY DAVE, when panicking about the outcome of the Scottish referendum promised them that Scotland would not be dragged out of the EU. He even trotted out the likes of g.brown in his fear.
This may well have swung that one for him.
Worse than the devious MPs is nige who has been pocketing European money for seventeen years. Why doesn't he jack now that has declared "Independence Day"" 23 June 2016.
Btw, do ye know the immmigration figures for Independence Day 23 June 2016, please?
I believe there may well have been a surge in immigration.
I think ye will remember DODGY DAVE, when panicking about the outcome of the Scottish referendum promised them that Scotland would not be dragged out of the EU. He even trotted out the likes of g.brown in his fear.
This may well have swung that one for him.
Worse than the devious MPs is nige who has been pocketing European money for seventeen years. Why doesn't he jack now that has declared "Independence Day"" 23 June 2016.
Btw, do ye know the immmigration figures for Independence Day 23 June 2016, please?
I believe there may well have been a surge in immigration.
Some of the statements here ignore what is said and twist it.
Nowhere did I say all those who voted Leave are racist, nor have I accused any individual of being racist.
What I did say was that all racists will have voted Leave and those who voted Leave are on the same side as those people. It would make me uncomfortable, even if my motivation for Leave had nothing to do with immigration. That's all.
Nowhere did I say all those who voted Leave are racist, nor have I accused any individual of being racist.
What I did say was that all racists will have voted Leave and those who voted Leave are on the same side as those people. It would make me uncomfortable, even if my motivation for Leave had nothing to do with immigration. That's all.
cyclops,
That was not my inference, I can assure you. However, there comes a time one has to make a sacrifice to achieve one's final objective for the common good because there's no alternative.
That was not my inference, I can assure you. However, there comes a time one has to make a sacrifice to achieve one's final objective for the common good because there's no alternative.
I respect that opinion, though don't share it.
Debating what people actually say, rather than what they're alleged to have said would enrich the whole argument significantly.
"I wouldn't bother giving an explanation about anything to someone who goes around calling people racists" doesn't help when its patently not what I said anywhere.
Debating what people actually say, rather than what they're alleged to have said would enrich the whole argument significantly.
"I wouldn't bother giving an explanation about anything to someone who goes around calling people racists" doesn't help when its patently not what I said anywhere.
the leavers may be on the same side as racists but for different reasons, we all have to live on the same island as them do we not?
Brexit is an emotive subject and I hope we had all voted according to one's feelings and objectives - there is nothing personal - we are all British at the end of the day.
Best of luck whether you are in or not!
Best of luck whether you are in or not!
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