Ryan Moore

Crazy ride - made up 5 lengths in a furlong and it was too much - Harzand had plenty left though.

didnt have a bet but it would have been some horse to give that ground away
the aga khan does it again shades of dancing braves derby

I think the best horse won but a shocking ride from Moore

Coolmore need to get rid of Moore.  He makes rides like this more often than enough

greville starkey got slaughtered for less

The Ranger had NOTHING left in the tank when getting to within 1/2 length of the winner

Thought the hoss was ASLEEP leaving the stalls

With the jockey as well

I have never heard such nonsense

embarrassing thread

From a great draw allowed his horse to be third last,then gets boxed in when wanting to make his run it was a shocking ride and the reason he couldn't get by the winner was he'd used up all the energy from a hopeless position.

Ridden the same as every "flying machine"  or "world beater " in the yard , the tactics cost Spencer the job what chance it will for Moore.

Jun 4, 2016 -- 4:49PM, HarmonicaPhil wrote:

I have never heard such nonsense

Explain please??

i honestly taught the horse wasn't even going to run , he fell out of the stalls , so immature and babyish at the start he will improve a lot , can't blame moore the're not car's

gave it too much to do - very few Derbys are won from that far back

moore did  nothing wrong. horse dogged it at chester and dogged it again today.....simply doesn't want to win

A typical Moore piss poor ride.....best horse won though

No one is questioning that the horse maybe iffy.  The discussion is around the jockey.  Minding got him out of trouble yesterday due to her class

Moore didn't look too clever on Minding yesterday either,horse got him out of it.

Of course you can win from that far back. Pour Moi for one.

Horse did not dog it , just given to much to do

Lester always said you had to have a prominent position approaching Tattenham Corner

why do ye think the horse was held up.... for the laugh?

he was held up imho cos ryan advised d'lads the horse was more suited to wimbledon tonight than epsom

Third last into the straight and challenges 7 horses wide -hardly an optimal strategy tbf.

Prep run for the

Irish Derbi

Horse genuine enough but nothing more to give after given a mountain to climb, and people complain about JOB.

Moore hasn't really learnt how to ride the race which may sound strange as he's won it a few times. Watching videos of years gone by, the number of winners to come from the last 2 or 3 in the field are very few. Slow start and draw didn't make it easy and I was thinking during the race that Smullen was riding a bit of a clumsy race but being wide around the bend is no disaster in this race if you are better than most of the field. Moore perhaps trying to be too clever but time may tell the winner was just too good anyway.

Greville Starkey comparisons very interesting. Greville was slaughtered -  a little unfairly I thought - by a racing media which did the job it was there to do. Thirty years on that doesn't happen, and the sport is much the poorer for it.

Take the winner out and it would have been classed as a great ride. He got to Harzand's quarters but Harzand stayed on the better.

I'd say that US Army Ranger will prove to be a 10 furlong horse. The Eclipse could be his race.

Appalling ride,absolutely appalling ride,from start to finish!Anyone stating different is not watching same race or bet the winner!

Will reverse the form at the Curragh

One takes what this crowd say with a pinch of salt most of the time tbh. But the horse suffered from lack of experience imo. He may have been the second best on the day anyhow, but I doubt Moore would have hand-picked that posi.

If that had been French jockey we would be hearing about nothing else. Yes Pour Moi cam from last to first but it's about the only one that's ever done that.

And when the late Vincent (genius) O'Brien ran a pacemaker Piggott sat 2 lengths off the pace not a furlong

Who gives a flying **** if reverses the form,utterly irrelevanmt,no one has backed it to win the bloody Irish Derby..I bet horse six months ago and an arrogant little **** who is above criticism by looks of it cost him his chance!

I don't think he showed any inexperience. He handled the the Epsom hoo-ha perfectly and looked mega relaxed pre race and in the race itself and travelled beautifully. An unlucky loser imo as he didn't get the assistance from the saddle you would expect from the so called champion jockey.

Taking nothing from winner and would expect him to win at Curragh in a rematch.  Post to highlight what was terrible positioning from Moore - I'll defer to Lester anyway on where you need to be at Tat Corner and whilst Pour Moi might have come from there, he got a relatively clear run - simple point is it is more likely that you won't win from there.

Too relaxed. Moore would have had to have stoked him up to get a position.

Thought he was on Dancing Brave .....oh ,hang on.....

I don't think that's the case cider. He had plenty of horse under him and travelled great. The jockey could have placed him closer to the pace imo without busting the horse. Everyone has an opinion and btw Jedi I backed the horse as well.

Doesn't matter where you use ya juice, the winner had gallons left, the 2nd was empty.

I disagree

if spencer was on it the forum would be on meltdown

clearly not moored finest hour, I' cant remember anything coming from that  far back to win a derby.i get the impression it made up too much ground too quickly, the winner obviously won going away at the line  but I'm not sure that would have been the case if moore had ridden the runner up in touch

i hate spencer but i do agree if it had been spencer it would be forum meltdown.

Imagine if it was Yutake Take

Golden Fleece came from last ,a much underated ride ,Pats finest hour imo..

Tried a mickail barazalona when he won on pour moi... last round the bend into first, winner always holding him off imo

I would think that was the tactic with poor Port Douglas given the role of sacrificial lamb. I suspect the "lads" got that wrong more than Ryan.
However if US Ranger met the winner again and it was evens the pair, my money would be on Harzand.

Mr Moore strikes one as someone  who does things his own way
The body language on C4 was eyebrow raising as the jocks walked in
Frankie looked absolutely devastated, as if he was blaming himself
Ryan marched in with a look of a man thinking about chantilly tomorrow.
Holding the Ranger out the back like that, well it was something none of us wanted to see.
We thought USAR might be the best horse in the race, but not if he was going to be ridden like that.
Lester strode over Epsom like a behemoth.
9 derby wins.
We thought Ryan might do the same, but now it looks as though he is happy to ride like that at epsom.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Lester didnt get to grips with the arc until the late 70s
His style may not have been suited to trot and sprint french racing
Ryan can win anywhere in the world
Maybe the Ranger will go on to win plenty of G1s with that hold up style of ride.
Get to thinking about Heffernan
I read somewhere that he beats himself up about that ride he gave Fame And Glory in 2009
Maybe had he been aboard the Ranger today..

if he thinks he was ever going to win that 2009 Derby he's living on another planet

Think the point is that heffernan held Fame And Glory up behind Sea The Stars in a race which was run at a crawl.
Never got near.

Ever since heff has won an Oaks from the front  on Was
Second in the 2010 derby on At First Sight, 200s I believe from the front again
Gave Idaho a peach of a ride today.
Think if heff was on the Ranger today we wouldnt be wondering about what might have been..

watch the race again and you will clearly see that us a ranger was slowly away and always behind, there was nothing else moore could do, even when he came to make his run he was initially chopped off, he did absolutely nothing wrong, and anyone that cannot see that needs to go to specsavers, it was just one of those things !!

sums it up racing slowly away and always behind that why you pay the big bucks not Moore's finest hour think Coolmore will not be impressed

Deliveredto make the challenge perfectly, beaten by the better horse that won going away, simple as that.

Lets see what happens in Ireland

Had he been drawn next to the winner and able to race alongside him I suspect he would have won. The horse used up most of his energy making up the ground on Harzand and Idaho.

Ryan was where he and AOB wanted him to be until coming round Tat Corner where he got caught (unluckily) in a pocket behind WOD, Algometer and Moonlight. He sat and suffered for a few seconds and pulled wide. With a clear run he'd have been closer but as Pat was keen to emphasise the winner kept on giving more as USAR came to his quarters. Can't wait for the rematch at the Curragh even on better ground as it seems to me that some of the best of Harzands close relations are at least as good on that sort of surface.

On quicker ground I think the Ranger will murder it

Best horse won without a shadow imo. UAR didn't get the best of runs, but got there in time.

The winner was going away at the line.

Harzand won the Ballysax (G3) in his first start out of maiden company, and has confirmed the merit of that form with the third today.

UAR scrambled home from the horse that finished 14th today, at Chester.

Moore made up lengths on the other two in the hottest part of the race. The energy expended there meant he had no more left to give when he came to challenge the winner.

Had he not given away cheap ground at the start it may have been a different outcome.

Harzand easily the best on the day imo. 3 wide, closer to the pace, repelled the late challenge. Moore knew Port Douglas would be going too hard, was probably in the best place out the back turning in.

Great race, love how everyone has a different view on how the best way to ride the track is - an absolute dog track tbf.

I backed USAR and thought the winner was the best horse on the day on the slow ground...quicker ground might be a different story

dan...how come DC not riding at the mo??

I don't agree with that. Being closer to the pace in midfield rather than out the back was a positive and being 3 wide at Epsom over 12 furlongs is not such a hindrance.

It's impossible to know for certain what would have happened if they had raced alongside, but one thing I am sure about is that the winner was given a much better ride and you don't get away with poor rides in top class races unless you have a ton in hand like Minding yesterday.

Fair enough JB, sure we will see a rematch or two over the next few months.

Wonder - knee injury apparently.

ok ta nice to see HB riding you a winner

Hopefully they both go for the same races through the season and we get some great races to savour. I think they are both very nice improving horses.

When Harzand won the ballysax, the talk was of his being a leger horse
I doubt much has changed
He won a rain softened  derby a similar distance over Idaho who is a galileo-danehill-cross so in my opinion a 10f horse
If there was to be a superstar coming out of today it was going to be the Ranger
He is starting to look a bit of a Harchibald, gets there but wont battle past
So the story of the derby could be a 10f horse, a twicer and a plodder fill the places
Pehaps something will come out of chantilly tomorrow
Doubt Varian and Atzeni are having sleepless nights with the king george in mind
Postponed off a pacemaker over 12f looking pretty much unbeatable after today

Yeah good ride too wonder!

reliable jockey dan not quite DC's class yet I don't think but he has come on bundles since returning home

Postponed is a fully mature 5 year old. He was nowhere near as good as these two at the same stage of his career. Hopefully they both keep improving and can prove themselves against the older generations.

Weld is usually particular about the ground requirements for his horses so I doubt we'll get a rematch at The Curragh if it's rattling fast. On similar ground to today I'd favour Harzand to confirm the form given the nature of the track - the foot issue should n't be overlooked, can hardly have been the ideal prep surely.

Personally I think Moore might have been marking Dettori on Wings of Desire (his Betfair column suggested he saw him as the biggest danger) - Frankie got first run and I thought USAR reacted slowly initially when Moore asked him to follow him through (possibly down to inexperience and not being totally aware of what he was being asked to do).

Given that Coolmore had five in the race I find it hard to believe that the tactics were n't discussed and agreed beforehand.

as i said before the horse fell out of the stalls and moore was given him a little push just to get  him to take a position , he cant jump over the other horse's or if he goes wide its even worst , plus the time for a pretty fast run race was still 5.5 seconds outside standard , so the ground was pretty slow , so that make's the amount of ground USAR made up even more impressive , he looks a big baby and this race today has got be excited about the rest of the season  . but i suppose each to their own

moore winds a horse up gradually as fallon did in his pomp.whether he would be in a top 10 jockey list is questionable.dettori maybe

Moore properly let USAR go by the 3 furlong pole, the horse just took an absolute age to get going. When he did get going it was pretty impressive however USAR still had every chance, the best horse on the day just won the race. He wasn't THAT far from Harzand at any point, Harzand just wanted it more come the line.

Would be surprised if USAR didn't have a couple of big races in him though.

"Doubt Varian and Atzeni are having sleepless nights with the king george in mind" Not sure about that as Postponed clocked 9.04 while Harzand and the 3yos did 5.59.

I was surprised how fast Port Douglas went off in front.Usually leads but to go so quick in such a big competitive field was suicidal.Thought the horse was too good to be a pace maker.Also was surprised to see US Army out the back.Moore has hit the top of the mountain as a jockey,maybe hes got too much confidence/complacency.

I watched AOB and Ryan have an intense conversation as they walked along prior to Ryan mounting USAR. I've no doubt Ryan rode to orders but lucked out getting caught behind 3 horses (as u do at Epsom) coming around Tatt Corner. Not the jockeys fault - just the rub of the Epsom 'green' ...

Unlucky to get hampered on Minding and USAR yes probably

did he get caught out following frankie? did he think he only had him to beat?

I like him as a jockey but he knows his limits in France. He can't barge his way out of a poor position like he does over here. I don't know what his stats are over in France alone ?  If anyone knows thanks in advance.