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31 May 16 09:21
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/big-gamble-dangerous-british-betting-shops

One of the most depressing articles I have read in a long time and not even a mention of money laundering.  Spare a thought for the staff the next time you enter a betting shop...

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By:
jed.davison
When: 31 May 16 10:06
Longest article ever!! Powerful though.
By:
Facts
When: 31 May 16 10:20
It could have been three times as long. It can be as long as necessary, until the point finally gets home to the employers to fix this issue. I thought it was illegal for people to work alone where any type of machinery was involved.
Morally, employers have a duty of care. Aren't Unions having a say in this ? In 2016, in a country like the UK, this situation should not be happening. The blame comes down, in my opinion, to the installation of the FOBTs.
Betting shops of old, are a thing of the past. What we have now are Casinos on every High Street. As the article stated, in Casinos , because of the monies involved, and potential for trouble when money is lost, they have bouncers.
Whereas in betting shops, it's expected a single person, often a woman, is in sole charge,
Despicable. New legislation is rapidly needed.
By:
BESTMATE44
When: 31 May 16 11:23
Thanks for posting Aviboyd,it's a read and a half.
By:
twizzle22
When: 31 May 16 11:48
Speaking as someone who has had a gun held to my head whilst his companion yelled "shoot him" i read that entire factual account of life in a betting shop with a profound feeling of deja vu..harrowing indeed but many thanks for putting it up on here.
By:
Nightfly
When: 31 May 16 11:51
and where are The Gambling Commission???????

More worried about mums and dads putting on £2  at the racEcourse for their kids on a fun day out

GET REAL GAMBLING COMMISSION...STOP THIS SINGLE MANNING...MAKE YOUR EXISTENCE WORTHWHILE , OR ARE U IN THE PAY OF THE GOVERNMENT WITH VILE MPS SUCH AS
ARCH RIGHT WINGER PHILIP DAVIES
By:
twizzle22
When: 31 May 16 11:53
Well said nightfly
By:
sofiakenny
When: 31 May 16 11:58
If the tories are getting 25% of the proceeds they will do f all
responsible gambling my big fat arse.
By:
Desert Pilot
When: 31 May 16 13:14
Great article

RIP Andrew Iacovou

A lone worker on minimum pay working up to 16-hours a day for Ladbrokes. Disgraceful.
By:
saddo
When: 31 May 16 13:17
It's the new world order. If you don't want to do your poxy job for crap money there are plenty coming into the country who will, a policy the Guardian is fully behind.
By:
Desert Pilot
When: 31 May 16 13:20
The Guardian is not behind that policy. The Guardian is behind stronger union rights that would end this sort of thing and by default deter foreigners from seeking employment here.
By:
saddo
When: 31 May 16 13:28
Just like the Mail et al, the Guardian does a fine job of brainwashing it's readership.
By:
Desert Pilot
When: 31 May 16 13:36
There's no brainwashing in the above article.

Just an honest account on what is going on. No distortion, just facts. Maybe you should read it.

RIP Andrew Iacovou
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 31 May 16 13:42
so sad to read...just doing his job for little more than minimum wage working all hours to provide and murdered....
By:
stu
When: 31 May 16 14:02
Bookies same to their own employees as they are to punters that are fleeced - utterly uncaring.
By:
stu
When: 31 May 16 14:02
Is there really a much more immoral business than these guys, which is legal?
By:
Nightfly
When: 31 May 16 14:26
Try the city of London, for world corruption and total immorality
By:
IanP
When: 31 May 16 14:41
and where are The Gambling Commission???????

More worried about mums and dads putting on £2  at the racEcourse for their kids on a fun day out


The days of mums and dads putting on £2 are long gone ... it's down to £1 now.
By:
patrick starr
When: 31 May 16 14:50
What a harrowing read,so many awful stories recounted all in the name of earning an honest living Sad
By:
geordie1956
When: 31 May 16 16:04
Absolutely depressing reading; beggars belief that this can go with all of the technology which exists in betting shops which would at least keep sight of employees at all times - as the judge said the employer is extremely negligent - the executives should be forced to work in some of their shops for a week each year - wonder how long it would take to change procedures - not long i'd say!
By:
Wildcat Army.
When: 31 May 16 16:27
A long read, but was well worth it as it definitely hits home.

A few points....

1) The section about if over the counter business falls then we will man the shops accordingly.  Why not just shut them full stop.  If I want to get a bet on, you have many other platforms available to the everyday user.  We will survive, I'm sure.

2) Hills now use a "buddy shop" system on a night time.  I don't know the exact use of it, but something along the lines that you must call them every hour to report that you are ok.  Not hard for someone to do the shop over minutes after the phone rings and the young girl behind the counter says "yes, I'm fine thanks" and puts the phone down.  Just another tick box covered when asked what they have done about single manning.

3) How many of the stories of people attacking shop staff have stemmed from Trap 6 not staying on well enough after giving 10 lengths to the 1 dog ?  How many stem from the 4/6 favorite at Redcar not winning when you thought it was a dead cert ?  Not many.... they all stem from FOBT losses yet nobody higher up the echelon seems to want to control them because of the money they make.  Only last Friday, at lunch time in a Hills in a city centre location.  I was in for just under an hour, and I think I saw one or two bets taken over the counter.  At the same time, all 4 machines were in constant use with some getting £100 topped up on their debit cards every five or ten minutes.  If I see or hear anyone getting disgruntled with the FOBT in a shop, I'm gone.  I carry money around with me for betting purposes and I'm not in there to get robbed when someone has lost their rent or the food shopping money this week again on them.

4) As a PTL customer in most shops, I have given up on the industry and see what it's all about.  However, there is no point giving stick and hassle to the low level shop staff.  I get on well with them all, and if I'm knocked back on a bet, I know it's not their fault.  They have enough crap to deal with during the day for my type to be another problem to them.

My mum worked in a betting shop a long long time ago, and when I turned 18, I saw working in that envrionment as the dream job.  Sat talking to everyone about betting and what they fancied.  Watching racing, football etc... all day long and getting paid for it.  I turned 18 just before the millenium and before the FOBT's hit the high street.  I'm happy to say I never followed my dream job and stayed this side of the counter.
By:
saddo
When: 31 May 16 17:59
Were you Wakey Stan? ^
By:
Facts
When: 31 May 16 18:16
WA

Spot on with your point 3)
By:
halcyon days
When: 31 May 16 19:01
As someone who works in the industry, it's quite frightening to read....


one city where I work quite regularly has fourteen LBO's....


the homeless are the non working see the shops as the equivalent of The Sally An !
By:
halcyon days
When: 31 May 16 19:02
regularly , *
By:
gentlemanjohn
When: 31 May 16 19:32
Wilcat Army

1)Because it's still profit and shops are their primary promotional vehicle if nothing else. There are people, prime betting shop customers among them, who either don't have credit cards or simply won't use them for gambling. Remember, they need to be shaken down too.

2)Yes, how very reassuring. Box ticked as you rightly point out.

3) Key point. If it can be definitively proven, which I think it can, that there is a direct link between FOBTS and increased violent attacks, then the bookmaking firms should be forced to take real and effective steps to protect their shops and vulnerable staff or face legislation banning them. Wouldn't be holding my breath, though.

4) Yeah, it's not their fault.
By:
Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods
When: 31 May 16 19:39
Imported filth. RIP Andrew
By:
sparrow
When: 31 May 16 19:49
This very subject of single manning was discussed on here a few weeks ago. My view was that nothing can be achieved without Trade Union organisation and representation of the staff. All this talk of bookmaking companies and the Gambling Commission sorting it out is just pie in the sky. As well as representation the unions can also provide the use of their legal services.
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 16 20:02
The shop that Mr Andrew Iacovou was murdered was a shop a friend of my nephew used to work in occasionally during the summer holidays and when there was a shortage of staff. Believe it or not, the Ladbrokes shop was directly next door to the Morden Police Station, which is close more often than open; this Ladbrokes shop, according to his friend, was the best performing and profitable one in the area and it was not uncommon the takings could be £50/75k per week - imagine that in a year!

When he was with Ladbrokes the then district/area manager was someone who's only concerned with his shops profits and not much else, and hugely unpopular, and single manning was already in operation when there was an acute shortage of staff in the area. It was alleged this individual had told his staff to stuff their banking money in their underpants enroute to the banks/post offices nearby the Ladbrokes betting shops.

The shop has been closed since the incident with flowers placed respectfully at the entrance on the anniversary of Mr Andrew Iacovou's murder.
By:
geordie1956
When: 31 May 16 20:26
Out of this horrible incident and many others it does prove their needs to be some union participation in attempting to coerce employers into creating a safe environment for staff to work in. Of course there are many limitations on what a union can do when laws and regulations are constantly repealed to supposedly allow employers to operate in a free market - something for those who repeatedly complain about employee power to deliberate on.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 31 May 16 20:39
the weak link is the  manager or assistant,having to check FOBT ,or open it for cash reasons after punter says something wrong
By:
halcyon days
When: 31 May 16 20:52
Happens on a daily basis, knowing your customer's helps but,


I'd hate to be in a West End shop ( open till midnight), when the drunken hordes arrive to gamble after imbibing alcohol... single manning in those circumstances must be horrendous !
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 16 20:52
Indeed, especially when there is a dispute and/or possibly a machine malfunction and the manager has no choice but to do it there and then and the contents are usually cash.
By:
halcyon days
When: 31 May 16 21:01
And, closing the shop with ''lairy'' louts milling about, women should not have to do it, END OF !    Scared
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 31 May 16 21:39
Looking forward to a hard-hitting follow-up in the Racing Post.Plain
By:
Wildcat Army.
When: 31 May 16 22:01
Saddo,

No, but I know Stan.


Going back to another point in the article that I forgot to mention....

The shop had all 4 of it's FOBT's smashed up, but they were all replaced the very next day.  Consider that against something simple as a broken toilet... I know some shops that has taken over a week for them to be fixed !!  How comes the loo's aren't high on the agenda of "get fixed fast" as with the FOBT's to enhance the "Customer Experience".  (Yes, I know the answer).

I'd love to see the District Managers or those in the Ivory Towers at the Big 4 do something similar to the Undercover Boss show on Channel 4.  And actually do a week of the graveyard shift by his/herself in a run down sh*thole where crime figures are high... and then tell us theres no problem single manning (especially females) all night long to look after the amusement arcade.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 31 May 16 22:49
a sombre read that invokes anger especially at a complicit govt.(irrespective of who is in power) that is making so much money out of gambling taxes that it will never do the right thing by the lowly paid betting shop employees

those f*cking FOBTs should be blown up..just magnets for society's feckless,degenerate detritus
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 31 May 16 23:46
on june 17 there will be another story the press can print about an attack at you know where
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 01 Jun 16 08:56
I think the CEO of these companies are complicit (along with the useless Gambling Commission/Government), and should be taken to task properly. As said above how many of these would let their own sons/daughters single man? Surely they have a duty of care and need some sort of lawsuit against them, and maybe then they may change the way THEIR companies are ran. Vile and disgusting management imo.
By:
swift-tuttle
When: 01 Jun 16 15:54
The answer is people power. In other words, people should not accept jobs in betting shops until the work conditions and pay are vastly improved.

For example, how many people would accept a job cleaning the outside of the Shard at the top for minimum wage?
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